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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
July 10 2013 08:53 GMT
#65721
http://dotabuff.com/matches/239306512

this one? :D
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
July 10 2013 08:54 GMT
#65722
yep
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
July 10 2013 09:32 GMT
#65723
again, beside normal match making rating, there is also a multiplier for the stacked that you are playing with in order to 'ampify' the teamwork factor into match making. My guess would be having pro gamers inside a party just amp the team MMR up way too high, in which due to the limited player pool, lack of equal level opponents, the match making give you a +1 noob to drag the team mmr down to medicore level.
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Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 10:00:28
July 10 2013 09:55 GMT
#65724
Anyone able to trade atm? There's just no Dota2 available, when I want to trade. Kinda weird
Well probably, because can't connect to Dota2 network as well as I just realized.
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Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
July 10 2013 10:06 GMT
#65725
On July 10 2013 17:47 TheEmulator wrote:
Can someone explain how this pudge is in this game? http://dotabuff.com/matches/238466978

So I was watching Korok stream the other day, and he was playing with TC, hotbid, and Bumblebee(game was on like page 8 or something). And this Pudge queues onto their team. I immediately recognize the name because I played him on my smurf like a week earlier. Anyways, thought it was weird that a 23-19 player could queue into a page 8 game.

damn
maybe the mm system was changed recently
blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
July 10 2013 10:13 GMT
#65726
You're only correct in the first sentence, the rest is wrong. It doesn't matter if you are a professional or not. Ever consider that the Pudge may have had inflated MMR from several factors in his previous games? Or that the party he is queueing with aren't that high rated themselves? There are several things you seem to overlook and instead spew all this random nonsense that isn't true about the matchmaking system. Number of games isn't that meaningful, there have been plenty of people with below and around 50 games who have played extremely highend games. Even my secondary account that I used which I used to "unrust" myself played a game against TC. There really isn't a limited player pool unless you are prioritizing certain gamemodes/regions during weird times. Also stop thinking that the matchmaking system does balanced or even matchups.

On another note, the amount of noobs on pages 1-3 increased has more to do with a wider search being used and a change in playtime from players who were there consistently before.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
July 10 2013 10:20 GMT
#65727
yeah network was down for me just now.


look at dota2lounge, people are offering battlefurys and 30 keys for a bloodstone

are these legit or what the hell!
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
July 10 2013 10:25 GMT
#65728
What am I supposed to do with the "Bloodstone of the ancestors" ?
Anyone figured it out ?
anonymitylol
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada4477 Posts
July 10 2013 10:25 GMT
#65729
On July 10 2013 19:20 FFGenerations wrote:
yeah network was down for me just now.


look at dota2lounge, people are offering battlefurys and 30 keys for a bloodstone

are these legit or what the hell!


it's not tradable
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
July 10 2013 10:26 GMT
#65730
Pretty sure the bloodstone is untradable so it's all jokes
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Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
July 10 2013 11:23 GMT
#65731
If you have the Bloodstone of the ancestors and you build a bloodstone ingame you get mythical item drop.
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Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
July 10 2013 11:24 GMT
#65732
On July 10 2013 19:13 blahz0r wrote:
You're only correct in the first sentence, the rest is wrong. It doesn't matter if you are a professional or not. Ever consider that the Pudge may have had inflated MMR from several factors in his previous games? Or that the party he is queueing with aren't that high rated themselves? There are several things you seem to overlook and instead spew all this random nonsense that isn't true about the matchmaking system. Number of games isn't that meaningful, there have been plenty of people with below and around 50 games who have played extremely highend games. Even my secondary account that I used which I used to "unrust" myself played a game against TC. There really isn't a limited player pool unless you are prioritizing certain gamemodes/regions during weird times. Also stop thinking that the matchmaking system does balanced or even matchups.

On another note, the amount of noobs on pages 1-3 increased has more to do with a wider search being used and a change in playtime from players who were there consistently before.

I've never seen low-count games played accounts face off against higher ones. TC was probably queued up with someone with low count and you almost surely had someone with a higher number of wins in your team.

Even w/e represents valve on dota2.dev said in one of the posts #number of wins/games is taken into account when matching up people. ( but only if you count solo queued people!)

That's not to say 50 game account won't be playing high tier games, but no way you're gonna get to first 10 pages if all the people are solo queuing.
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Loomies
Profile Joined July 2010
United States645 Posts
July 10 2013 11:46 GMT
#65733
theres a new thisisgame interview up with the 3 GOM casters. Is it possible to get a basic translation for this by the community? I would really appreciate it especially since I see that they watched the alienware cup and would love to hear their thoughts on it

http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=1576126&category=13439
Frost
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1042 Posts
July 10 2013 11:51 GMT
#65734
On July 10 2013 20:46 Loomies wrote:
theres a new thisisgame interview up with the 3 GOM casters. Is it possible to get a basic translation for this by the community? I would really appreciate it especially since I see that they watched the alienware cup and would love to hear their thoughts on it

http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=1576126&category=13439


It's pretty long to do a basic translation. I can probably do a full one if enough people are interested.
Loomies
Profile Joined July 2010
United States645 Posts
July 10 2013 11:57 GMT
#65735
oh wow i didnt see how long it was. I was reading a few paragraphs with google translate but gave up. I think I got the jist of it though
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 13:05:39
July 10 2013 13:02 GMT
#65736
Sometimes i wonder how little authors at PCgamer know about the games they try to compare.
Unlike in Dota 2, you can buy items that increase the damage output of your abilities in LoL.


Etheral blade???
Veil???
Aghanim???
Any hero that has an ability that scales with stats??? I mean skywrath mage literally scales with his intelligence which you get from buying items.

I know we don't have an equivalent of AP but that doesn't make that statement any less wrong.

That article seemed more like it was written from the perspective of a person who is used to LoL and tried dota once.
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Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
July 10 2013 13:11 GMT
#65737
On July 10 2013 22:02 Unleashing wrote:
Sometimes i wonder how little authors at PCgamer know about the games they try to compare.
Show nested quote +
Unlike in Dota 2, you can buy items that increase the damage output of your abilities in LoL.


Etheral blade???
Veil???
Aghanim???
Any hero that has an ability that scales with stats??? I mean skywrath mage literally scales with his intelligence which you get from buying items.

I know we don't have an equivalent of AP but that doesn't make that statement any less wrong.

In a strict very sense though, aghanims scepter is really the only one that increases the damage of spells, and even then only for some of the heroes.
With very strict i mean:
-passive effect, i.e. increases the damage of the spell each time you use it; also works on buildings if they are affected by spells.
-does not increase any other stat as a side effect; though it can via another bonus of the item ofc.
-does directly increase the damage of all spells in general and not because of some very special nature of the spell, i.e. as for skywrath mage.
-increasing vulnerability of enemies =/= increasing your damage.

(Ok I don't know lol, so im not sure if this "AP" fulfills all this conditions either.)
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
July 10 2013 13:13 GMT
#65738
On July 10 2013 22:02 Unleashing wrote:
Sometimes i wonder how little authors at PCgamer know about the games they try to compare.
Show nested quote +
Unlike in Dota 2, you can buy items that increase the damage output of your abilities in LoL.


Etheral blade???
Veil???
Aghanim???
Any hero that has an ability that scales with stats??? I mean skywrath mage literally scales with his intelligence which you get from buying items.

I know we don't have an equivalent of AP but that doesn't make that statement any less wrong.

That article seemed more like it was written from the perspective of a person who is used to LoL and tried dota once.

Casuals, casuals everywhere.
It's hard to care after reading crappy journalism about my hobbies years ago.

If the author at least plays lol then that articly is at worst biased against Dota. Which is still ok in my book, as Dota is represented as the correct type of game.
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 13:49:29
July 10 2013 13:48 GMT
#65739
In League pretty much anything has either AP or AD scaling.

Think of it like buying damage on PA would mean for every point of +dmg she would get +x damage on her dagger and for casters think of having items in the game that give e.g. a QoP scream +x dmg for every point of stat that item gives. The former is AD, the latter AP scaling. Apart from that League has "penetration" for both magical resists and armor in the form of flat pen and % pen. These mechanics are a big reason for why power curves in league are so flat compared to DotA, simply because it doesn't matter if your damage is based on autoattacks or spells, either scales well into lategame.

In that sense it's completely fine. You can't buy items in DotA that increase the damage of your abilities per se. Aghs upgrades that do that are a special case, Veil doesn't directly increase ability damage, neither does EBlade.

e: You might want to link the complete article instead of a random sentence tho. ;;
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10953 Posts
July 10 2013 13:50 GMT
#65740
Agree with Revo.


There is nothing like AP in Dota 2, therefore spells scale terribly when compared to autoattacks... There are a few exceptions but in general thats just the truth.
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