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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
June 23 2013 21:35 GMT
#63301
On June 24 2013 06:26 Geisterkarle wrote:
I'm currently watching a game (Alliance against Virtus.Pro but not important) and because I saw the Wisp/IO and Rubick it got me thinking:
I never saw a Rubick stealing a Relocate! Did anyone see such a spell steal? Would like to see a relocating Rubick; would be really fun - and really strong I think!

It's not that good. You don't have tether, so you only go alone. Prophets teleport is an infinitely stronger spell to steal.
super gg
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
June 23 2013 21:40 GMT
#63302
But could you steal tether
use it
steal relocate
and then tp away
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
June 23 2013 21:40 GMT
#63303
Ah, you are right! Forgot about the Tether!
Thought just about Telekinesis as sure "stun" instead of the Tether stun! And that would be really big!
.... Still I would like to see a relocating Rubick :D
There can only be one Geisterkarle
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
June 23 2013 22:15 GMT
#63304
For it to be effective you'd have to allready have tether, your teammate nearby, you tethering your friend and the wisp pops up, you steal relocate and escape from what will be the most awkward gank ever
In the woods, there lurks..
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
June 23 2013 22:18 GMT
#63305
Does tether not end immediately if you steal another ability?
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
June 23 2013 22:20 GMT
#63306
I'd think it lasts for the remainder of its effect, like say if you had stolen svens war cry, I assume it interacts as any other buff
In the woods, there lurks..
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 23 2013 22:20 GMT
#63307
Can't you relocate first, steal tether and tehter you ally during the relocate time?
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-23 22:23:25
June 23 2013 22:22 GMT
#63308
On June 24 2013 07:20 Iplaythings wrote:
I'd think it lasts for the remainder of its effect, like say if you had stolen svens war cry, I assume it interacts as any other buff


I was thinking of Tether as a channeled ability, although in retrospect it isn't. Apparently it does work though because it was bug fixed awhile back.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
ViZe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1513 Posts
June 23 2013 22:51 GMT
#63309
Shadow Blade, Aghanims Viper is the only real way to play pubs
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
June 23 2013 22:57 GMT
#63310
On June 24 2013 07:20 SKC wrote:
Can't you relocate first, steal tether and tehter you ally during the relocate time?

Much harder to do since stealing spells has a travel time.
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akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
June 23 2013 23:02 GMT
#63311
On June 24 2013 07:51 ViZe wrote:
Shadow Blade, Aghanims Viper is the only real way to play pubs

And then you face a Rubick...
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
June 23 2013 23:17 GMT
#63312
only being able to steal viper ult is p good
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
June 23 2013 23:20 GMT
#63313
dont worry viper will get the skeleton king treatment soon
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
June 23 2013 23:20 GMT
#63314
On June 24 2013 06:40 Yoshi- wrote:
But could you steal tether
use it
steal relocate
and then tp away

and then steal rp
https://soundcloud.com/papercranesdk
convention
Profile Joined October 2011
United States622 Posts
June 23 2013 23:22 GMT
#63315
On June 24 2013 07:51 ViZe wrote:
Shadow Blade, Aghanims Viper is the only real way to play pubs

The bigger issue that makes this borderline impossible: you have to steal tether first, then relocate. Which means wisp needs to tether right next to you, which you steal, tether to an ally, then wisp needs to relocate, which you then need to steal. The circumstances would have to perfect, and then there would have to be an opening to pick off an enemy on top of that.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 23 2013 23:29 GMT
#63316
On June 24 2013 08:22 convention wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 07:51 ViZe wrote:
Shadow Blade, Aghanims Viper is the only real way to play pubs

The bigger issue that makes this borderline impossible: you have to steal tether first, then relocate. Which means wisp needs to tether right next to you, which you steal, tether to an ally, then wisp needs to relocate, which you then need to steal. The circumstances would have to perfect, and then there would have to be an opening to pick off an enemy on top of that.

I'm not sure who you actually meant to quote, but the first steal never has to be just before the second one. You can have stolen tether minutes before. Noone is actually saying this is a viable strat, or easy to do, we're just thinking about the possible ways that it could work.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
June 23 2013 23:29 GMT
#63317
On June 24 2013 08:22 convention wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 07:51 ViZe wrote:
Shadow Blade, Aghanims Viper is the only real way to play pubs

The bigger issue that makes this borderline impossible: you have to steal tether first, then relocate. Which means wisp needs to tether right next to you, which you steal, tether to an ally, then wisp needs to relocate, which you then need to steal. The circumstances would have to perfect, and then there would have to be an opening to pick off an enemy on top of that.

You could just hold tether from a previous engagement, so you only need to steal one spell. Not quite as hard as you're making it out to be.
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Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-23 23:35:01
June 23 2013 23:31 GMT
#63318
on rtz stream

rtz: u dont even play on a competitive team
the other guy: ? you play on kaipi

ROFL
https://soundcloud.com/papercranesdk
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 23 2013 23:38 GMT
#63319
On June 24 2013 07:51 ViZe wrote:
Shadow Blade, Aghanims Viper is the only real way to play pubs

That combination doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Shadow Blade is an item that adds to your solo-killing/ganking ability by allowing you to move around the map invisible and suddenly engage on solo targets. It also allows you to split-push. Aghanim's is an item that's inefficient for solo-killing because its DPS stat gain is fairly weak, and it doesn't add to the damage-dealing ability of your ultimate, only the range and the CD (aspects that are useful in teamfights but useless for solo killing because you shouldn't take long enough in a gank/solo kill to get to the second Viper Strike, and you will engage at autoattack range with Lothar's anyway).

If the game requires that you have solo killing ability, you usually have to pair Lothar's with Orchid in order to kill targets with escape skills because you only have slows. Alternatively you can pair it with something like Manta which doesn't allow you to Silence targets, but improves your DPS, chasing power with higher MS, and adds to your split-pushing ability with illusions. If the game requires you have teamfighting ability, Aghanim's pairs better with other teamfighting items like Mek, Urn, or Drums than it does with Lothar's.
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Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-23 23:39:39
June 23 2013 23:39 GMT
#63320
On June 24 2013 00:42 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 00:38 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 24 2013 00:37 r.Evo wrote:
On June 24 2013 00:35 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 24 2013 00:33 r.Evo wrote:
On June 23 2013 23:07 Firebolt145 wrote:
No. Clarities are pretty horrible in middle as you have to play extra safe for 30 seconds or whatever to avoid losing their effect.

OD is probably the mid hero that has to choose between sending out clarities or flat out losing his lane if he gets unlucky with a couple of procs in a row.

Rush tranquils on OD, never have problems with mana.

At least I have never had problems with mana on him. But dunno, some people think I have pretty nice RNG luck

Tranqs don't make it impossible to run out of mana, they just make it less likely. That's where clarities come in. =P

I have played like ~20-30 matches of OD and never ran OOM :/

I think I can remember one game over a similar samplesize when it happened to me. But then there are those guys who cry all the time that they run out of mana..

Damn, it's good to be lucky, hi5!


Huh. I distinctly recall a couple weeks ago that I played an OD game where I went from full mana to 0, waited for regen/got mana-booted etc. in all casting around 25 spells (stopped counting after 20) before I got an aura (lvl 4) proc... That was a sad day indeed.
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