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On June 23 2013 04:22 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 03:17 TheYango wrote:On June 23 2013 03:02 Excalibur_Z wrote:
I understand that Backtrack doesn't use triggered healing in Dota2, but why wouldn't they make a special exception and add it for Abaddon?
If all instances of triggered healing aren't using it, then it doesn't help. The cases that matter are where multiple triggered healing instances are being stacked. On June 23 2013 03:08 Incze wrote:
Backtrack did indeed heal before the damage. I know this thanks to how many times a void dodged my laguna blade, not sure about other skills. Abaddon would be a whole lot weaker if they didn't make an exception for him. Again, even if they implement triggered healing in the WC3 sense for Abaddon only it doesn't help because there are no other instances of triggered healing in the game for him to stack with. "Triggered healing" as it's being used here does nothing on its own. It only really becomes relevant when describing the effect of multiple triggered healing effects stacking together. In order to restore full functionality all damage reduction effects that were triggered heals in WC3 have to be converted to such in DotA 2 (and there are a lot you wouldn't expect--for example Windrunner's Focus Fire achieves the 50/40/30% reduced damage by applying a triggered heal for that % of the damage dealt). am i the only one that has no clue of wats going on?
This is a decent, but fairly old, guide on how triggered heals work in Dota if that helps.
http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3555
A lot of abilities that should negate damage in Dota don't actually negate the damage, they heal the target for the same amount of damage he takes. Often it ends up being the same thing in practice, but if you have two abilities that use triggered heals working at the same time, you take a single instance of damage but get healed by both abilities, making you actually gain health when attacked. One of the cases where that is fairly common is with Abaddon's shield, since you can apply it to another hero that has a innate triggered heal. Abbadon himself has another ability with a triggered heal.
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On June 23 2013 04:25 PassiveAce wrote:
because League is much much much more popular then dota everywhere but China and China doesnt watch our streams.
Is it really THAT much more popular among people who watch streams?
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unless there is a big tournament for the most part LoL dwarfs dota's stream numbers.
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On June 23 2013 04:34 Esoterikk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:25 PassiveAce wrote:
because League is much much much more popular then dota everywhere but China and China doesnt watch our streams. Is it really THAT much more popular among people who watch streams?
LoL has a much bigger culture of people watching pros stream
Like, we only get near that when Dendi streams or something
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On June 23 2013 04:34 Esoterikk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:25 PassiveAce wrote:
because League is much much much more popular then dota everywhere but China and China doesnt watch our streams. Is it really THAT much more popular among people who watch streams?
I do feel that watching personal streams is a habit more prevalent in LoL, while people watch Dota tournaments more often than player streams. Maybe because there are so many random online tournaments avaible to watch all the time.
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On June 23 2013 04:13 zeru wrote:
Speculate.
wat. Pretty sure someone from IG said that is a fake Chuan twitter?
probably was mentioned in IG Facebook or some shit. i don't know.
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On June 23 2013 04:28 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:22 TheKefka wrote:On June 23 2013 03:17 TheYango wrote:On June 23 2013 03:02 Excalibur_Z wrote:
I understand that Backtrack doesn't use triggered healing in Dota2, but why wouldn't they make a special exception and add it for Abaddon?
If all instances of triggered healing aren't using it, then it doesn't help. The cases that matter are where multiple triggered healing instances are being stacked. On June 23 2013 03:08 Incze wrote:
Backtrack did indeed heal before the damage. I know this thanks to how many times a void dodged my laguna blade, not sure about other skills. Abaddon would be a whole lot weaker if they didn't make an exception for him. Again, even if they implement triggered healing in the WC3 sense for Abaddon only it doesn't help because there are no other instances of triggered healing in the game for him to stack with. "Triggered healing" as it's being used here does nothing on its own. It only really becomes relevant when describing the effect of multiple triggered healing effects stacking together. In order to restore full functionality all damage reduction effects that were triggered heals in WC3 have to be converted to such in DotA 2 (and there are a lot you wouldn't expect--for example Windrunner's Focus Fire achieves the 50/40/30% reduced damage by applying a triggered heal for that % of the damage dealt). am i the only one that has no clue of wats going on? If you have a question it can be explained.
well the almighty google helped already but thank you
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On June 23 2013 04:41 Grettin wrote:wat. Pretty sure someone from IG said that is a fake Chuan twitter? probably was mentioned in IG Facebook or some shit. i don't know.
No ig facebook said that the only real twitter is this one
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On June 23 2013 04:38 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:34 Esoterikk wrote:On June 23 2013 04:25 PassiveAce wrote:
because League is much much much more popular then dota everywhere but China and China doesnt watch our streams. Is it really THAT much more popular among people who watch streams? I do feel that watching personal streams is a habit more prevalent in LoL, while people watch Dota tournaments more often than player streams. Maybe because there are so many random online tournaments avaible to watch all the time.
Yea I mean I play while watching streams but I find that LoL streams generally are a pretty big deal among the community while the Dota community couldn't really care less unless it's a tournament, which sucks for me because I couldnt care less about tournaments unless they are the finals/big tournament.
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On June 23 2013 04:45 Yoshi- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:41 Grettin wrote:wat. Pretty sure someone from IG said that is a fake Chuan twitter? probably was mentioned in IG Facebook or some shit. i don't know. No ig facebook said that the only real twitter is this one
oh, ok.
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On June 23 2013 04:49 Esoterikk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:38 SKC wrote:On June 23 2013 04:34 Esoterikk wrote:On June 23 2013 04:25 PassiveAce wrote:
because League is much much much more popular then dota everywhere but China and China doesnt watch our streams. Is it really THAT much more popular among people who watch streams? I do feel that watching personal streams is a habit more prevalent in LoL, while people watch Dota tournaments more often than player streams. Maybe because there are so many random online tournaments avaible to watch all the time. Yea I mean I play while watching streams but I find that LoL streams generally are a pretty big deal among the community while the Dota community couldn't really care less unless it's a tournament, which sucks for me because I couldnt care less about tournaments unless they are the finals/big tournament. Player streams are cheap entertainment.
The Dota community prefers tournaments because they have taste.
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My guess: internal pressure from iG got too big, everone expects the team to perform better. Before investing some time to solve the problems, they make a rushed, in the eyes of most people stupid, decision to swap out players and miss TI3 because of this.
Or they just give up the Alienware Cup to practice harder.
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On June 23 2013 04:53 teapoted wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:49 Esoterikk wrote:On June 23 2013 04:38 SKC wrote:On June 23 2013 04:34 Esoterikk wrote:On June 23 2013 04:25 PassiveAce wrote:
because League is much much much more popular then dota everywhere but China and China doesnt watch our streams. Is it really THAT much more popular among people who watch streams? I do feel that watching personal streams is a habit more prevalent in LoL, while people watch Dota tournaments more often than player streams. Maybe because there are so many random online tournaments avaible to watch all the time. Yea I mean I play while watching streams but I find that LoL streams generally are a pretty big deal among the community while the Dota community couldn't really care less unless it's a tournament, which sucks for me because I couldnt care less about tournaments unless they are the finals/big tournament. Player streams are cheap entertainment. The Dota community prefers tournaments because they have taste.
ok mr elitist
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On June 23 2013 04:49 Esoterikk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:38 SKC wrote:On June 23 2013 04:34 Esoterikk wrote:On June 23 2013 04:25 PassiveAce wrote:
because League is much much much more popular then dota everywhere but China and China doesnt watch our streams. Is it really THAT much more popular among people who watch streams? I do feel that watching personal streams is a habit more prevalent in LoL, while people watch Dota tournaments more often than player streams. Maybe because there are so many random online tournaments avaible to watch all the time. Yea I mean I play while watching streams but I find that LoL streams generally are a pretty big deal among the community while the Dota community couldn't really care less unless it's a tournament, which sucks for me because I couldnt care less about tournaments unless they are the finals/big tournament.
I think mainly because dota pro stream usually stack 3+, and the players are usually circle-jerk or do some stupid stuffs. It's nice for a while, but in the long run, I get bored with all the stupid talks.
I mean, in LoL, you can only do solo/duo queue, so most of pros usually do solo queue, and they have time to interact with the viewers and stuffs; while Dota pros only brotalk with each other, leaving the viewers by themselves. Even MarineKing or Polt who only say gg after each game have more viewer interaction than some dota pro.
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On June 23 2013 05:10 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:49 Esoterikk wrote:On June 23 2013 04:38 SKC wrote:On June 23 2013 04:34 Esoterikk wrote:On June 23 2013 04:25 PassiveAce wrote:
because League is much much much more popular then dota everywhere but China and China doesnt watch our streams. Is it really THAT much more popular among people who watch streams? I do feel that watching personal streams is a habit more prevalent in LoL, while people watch Dota tournaments more often than player streams. Maybe because there are so many random online tournaments avaible to watch all the time. Yea I mean I play while watching streams but I find that LoL streams generally are a pretty big deal among the community while the Dota community couldn't really care less unless it's a tournament, which sucks for me because I couldnt care less about tournaments unless they are the finals/big tournament. I think mainly because dota pro stream usually stack 3+, and the players are usually circle-jerk or do some stupid stuffs. It's nice for a while, but in the long run, I get bored with all the stupid talks. I mean, in LoL, you can only do solo/duo queue, so most of pros usually do solo queue, and they have time to interact with the viewers and stuffs; while Dota pros only brotalk with each other, leaving the viewers by themselves. Even MarineKing or Polt who only say gg after each game have more viewer interaction than some dota pro.
how many dota stream have you actualy watched ?
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Most LoL players watch streams because they want to get better to climb the solo q ranks, most dota players don't care because they have nothing to play for.
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On June 23 2013 04:53 teapoted wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:49 Esoterikk wrote:On June 23 2013 04:38 SKC wrote:On June 23 2013 04:34 Esoterikk wrote:On June 23 2013 04:25 PassiveAce wrote:
because League is much much much more popular then dota everywhere but China and China doesnt watch our streams. Is it really THAT much more popular among people who watch streams? I do feel that watching personal streams is a habit more prevalent in LoL, while people watch Dota tournaments more often than player streams. Maybe because there are so many random online tournaments avaible to watch all the time. Yea I mean I play while watching streams but I find that LoL streams generally are a pretty big deal among the community while the Dota community couldn't really care less unless it's a tournament, which sucks for me because I couldnt care less about tournaments unless they are the finals/big tournament. Player streams are cheap entertainment. The Dota community prefers tournaments because they have taste.
What stupid reasoning and a shitty attitude you have.
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Apparently the sads news are about that chuan and yyf visited a dota player with cancer 
Poor guy.
@Rob.au, i play to get better and so do most people i know. I don't need a league or a ranking to tell me if i'm improving.So saying dota players have nothing to play for seems so awfully wrong to me.
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On June 23 2013 05:21 rob.au wrote:
Most LoL players watch streams because they want to get better to climb the solo q ranks, most dota players don't care because they have nothing to play for.
A fair number of people do watch LoL streams for entertainment factor as well as for learning. When LoL was just starting up, it had a very stream-centric approach which has continued to carry over even through all of its development.
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