EPTOn June 20 2013 04:28 Emnjay808 wrote:
n0tail streaming. all is right in the world
n0tail streaming. all is right in the world
for two games and then off to play secret srims
god damn progamers
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for two games and then off to play secret srims god damn progamers | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
I mean, at level 7, having a maxed greater bash means you'll do 240 damage with charge (cause of a bash there), as well as an additional 140 from the nether strike greater bash + nether strike's bonus damage Comparatively, a maxed charge at 7, gives you 75 damage with charge, and like, 35 damage from the greater bash on nether strike. I feel like the maxed bash's damage might be more valuable than the extra 1.2 seconds of stun. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 20 2013 07:32 Shaella wrote: So is it really better to max charge over greater bash? I mean, at level 7, having a maxed greater bash means you'll do 240 damage with charge (cause of a bash there), as well as an additional 140 from the nether strike greater bash + nether strike's bonus damage Comparatively, a maxed charge at 7, gives you 75 damage with charge, and like, 35 damage from the greater bash on nether strike. I feel like the maxed bash's damage might be more valuable than the extra 1.2 seconds of stun. maxed charge is better for an offlane SB, or an SB that doesn't plan on farming a large amount before fighting. support SB is probably better off going 1 point into bash and splitting between haste and charge as needed, and carry SB probably gets hast.bash and 1 point in charge, but doesn't fight often until 2 points in charge anyway 1.2 seconds of stun can easily turn into more with greater bashes, you get an extra free attack, which is nice, and all of your allies get extra attacks. 1.2 seconds of stun turns into more damage unless you are totally solo, and then it sometimes turns into more and sometimes is less. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On June 20 2013 07:32 Shaella wrote: So is it really better to max charge over greater bash? I mean, at level 7, having a maxed greater bash means you'll do 240 damage with charge (cause of a bash there), as well as an additional 140 from the nether strike greater bash + nether strike's bonus damage Comparatively, a maxed charge at 7, gives you 75 damage with charge, and like, 35 damage from the greater bash on nether strike. I feel like the maxed bash's damage might be more valuable than the extra 1.2 seconds of stun. On June 20 2013 07:32 Shaella wrote: So is it really better to max charge over greater bash? I mean, at level 7, having a maxed greater bash means you'll do 240 damage with charge (cause of a bash there), as well as an additional 140 from the nether strike greater bash + nether strike's bonus damage Comparatively, a maxed charge at 7, gives you 75 damage with charge, and like, 35 damage from the greater bash on nether strike. I feel like the maxed bash's 160 damage might be more valuable than the extra 1.2 seconds of stun. On June 20 2013 07:32 Shaella wrote: I feel like the maxed bash's 160 damage might be more valuable than the extra 1.2 seconds of stun. You're allowed to have an opinion and all, but your opinion is just wrong. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 20 2013 07:32 Shaella wrote: I mean, at level 7, having a maxed greater bash means you'll do 240 damage with charge (cause of a bash there), as well as an additional 140 from the nether strike greater bash + nether strike's bonus damage You don't bash with the Charge's MS. You still bash with your normal MS. PX got it right in terms of it depending on your role. The one thing that you're ignoring about max Charge is the faster approach speed. Approaching 150 MS faster gives your target less time to react, and means you move across the map faster, meaning you can predict more accurately where your target will be when you get to them. That's actually the key to Charge max, not just the stun duration. It's something that you only really notice the effect of when you actually try it. On paper Bash max seems better, but you can't really theorycraft the benefit of 150 more charge speed, and it really feels noticeable when you play with it for a few games. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
as for the movespeed, thats a really great point, that extra 150 does have a huge effect at moving around the map. I've been maxing charge anyways, and its been very effective, I just was like, 'is this optimal?' | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On June 20 2013 07:59 PrinceXizor wrote: I still feel aghanims is very strong on SB. something a lot of people don't agree with yet. ^_^ I actually agree with that, I just very rarely find time to farm it up the 20 second CD is HUGE, and the AOE on the greater bash is icing on the cake, it allows you to become a much larger teamfight disruptor | ||
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Grettin
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On June 20 2013 08:01 Grettin wrote: Those who didn't know, Ayesee is on Live on Three today/tonight, show starting now. (no idea when he will be on though) http://www.twitch.tv/OneMoreGameTV I think he's the 3rd host for the night Edit: Nevermind. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
I think that production was incredibly weak regardless of the location. The overlays were bad, the set looked bad, they had a small audience but still never showed it. They can say 'it might not look good because it's a small audience', but it's better than making it look like an online tournament. Then when they went to the final they still almost never showed the players. Not during the draft, not during the start of the game. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
So they get less time to pick. | ||
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