EPTDrums/lothars/bkb/mom/mkb/aghs so many options for items, but seriously max charge and GO.
I can't even remember the last time i lost with SB, too stronk in pubs if you play like man.
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crms
United States11933 Posts
Drums/lothars/bkb/mom/mkb/aghs so many options for items, but seriously max charge and GO. I can't even remember the last time i lost with SB, too stronk in pubs if you play like man. | ||
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
On June 14 2013 05:48 Darkren wrote: I like your build but i would lv charge second and not empowering haste, empowering haste does not scale very well and your attack damage is not reliant anymore on your movespeed so you wont get more damage from it, Also the bigger stunt on charge is more important and the faster charge can be really handy (charge lv1 feels really slow). I like aghs on sb but u have to be carefull about buying it sometimes a heart/ac/bkb/armlet might be way more usefull. Armlet is really strong, urn can be a nice start also Well, I was considering leaving empowering haste for last and not getting any level into it prior to level 10, but didn't try it so far. Yet I'd still max charge 2nd. Oh and btw I play him as a #3 | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
I actually really don't like Drums on SB. The mana is totally wasted, and for just the remaining stats, it doesn't actually look that great compared to other options. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On June 14 2013 05:56 TheYango wrote: Bash first sounds good on paper, but you really have to play with the MS increase of having charge max to feel how much better it is. Charge>Bash or Haste, depending on how well you're doing and the teamcomps. I actually really don't like Drums on SB. The mana is totally wasted, and for just the remaining stats, it doesn't actually look that great compared to other options. The nice thing about drums is that it actually increases MS, which, because how he works, increases damage as a whole. Doesn't increase it much though - I think Armlet and BKB are pretty good on this guy, but I don't have many games played so I can't say much. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
The MS boost doesn't really sell Drums for me, tbh. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On June 14 2013 06:14 TheYango wrote: The MS increase's boost to his damage is actually less significant than it used to be, with the shift of the %MS based damage from Empowering Haste to Greater Bash. Greater Bash has a 17% proc chance and 1.5s CD, so 10/20/30/40% MS on bashes is actually a lot less damage than 4/8/12/16% MS on every hit. The MS boost doesn't really sell Drums for me, tbh. Well, I think the reason drums are okay are: Stats are okay SB is an out of control diving hero that is really reliant on snowballing and chasing - popping the drum charges while you dive / gank can make the difference between getting in and out. Not sure I would get them, but its alright, and its an item that can be built when you want to be active around the map. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12255 Posts
For skills I max Charge first because the extra speed is quite valuable and you're not going to get much out of increasing Bash early on until you get some of your core items. Ult > Charge > Bash > Haste is my priority. Also, Agh's is really funny because the range becomes absurdly good and the cooldown drops pretty dramatically. Definitely a luxury item. BULL MAAAAAN | ||
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
I prefer the latter because I normally stack with friends, so can coordinate ganks. For this, I go charge > haste > bash (charge because that's best early on, and haste because it helps my team keep up so they can kill them). | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Oh, and for the love of god, don't build mask of madness. It's cute on paper, but it's garbage! You're not really rightclicking at all early/mid game, all you do is charge and ult and a couple more rightclicks to finish the guy off and then run away, MOM doesn't help you there at all. Also, you end up diving a ton with SB, mask of amdness is the best way to get yourself killed. I think the best guild is treads, magic wand, drums, bkb, luxury.... Aghanims is cool if you're bored, 850 cast range, 20 cooldown ftw! | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
On June 14 2013 07:00 igotmyown wrote: Do the math, and drums is really mediocre on sb. Treads (and other cheaper ias items) give much more dps. What math? lol... | ||
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Baggage
Hong Kong593 Posts
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
also, graph needed. | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
If you want to be helping your team chase because you can't solo kill people, drums is a good choice. If you are the primary carry, then its probably not the best choice. If your team is pants-down retarded, then its probably not the best choice. If their team is pants-down retarded and don't seem to understand what a tp scroll or the buddy system is (hence you can get solo kills easily), then its probably not the best choice. But at least in my experience (maybe the Aussie server has less retarded people?), drums is often a good choice for helping out the team. Also, we require additional | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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Grettin
42416 Posts
On June 14 2013 07:25 NB wrote: lumi is casting the PA 2k CS game right now... lol what a waste of time. | ||
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