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Adrian_mx
Profile Joined April 2010
Mexico1880 Posts
May 17 2013 23:11 GMT
#57161
Did they release the compendium hud today ?
我是冠军
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
May 17 2013 23:26 GMT
#57162
On May 18 2013 08:11 Gheizen64 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 08:05 ShivaN wrote:
What's the deal with Demon's attitude? He seems pretty chill/funny on stream. I guess real matches are completely different. Does he turn into an idra in important matches? :p


He steal purses and punch screens at tournaments.

True story.


The screen punching thing has a lot of backstory. Suffice it to say EG got screwed.

Demon's attitude... He's just incredibly inconsistent and loses focus easily. The whole EGTHROW joke is more attributable to his silly decisions than anything else, and he doesn't practice well. That can be handled except that Demon does not handle criticism well. He's very skillful and has a very large ego, and doesn't like having his decisions challenged.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-17 23:29:19
May 17 2013 23:28 GMT
#57163
On May 18 2013 08:26 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 08:11 Gheizen64 wrote:
On May 18 2013 08:05 ShivaN wrote:
What's the deal with Demon's attitude? He seems pretty chill/funny on stream. I guess real matches are completely different. Does he turn into an idra in important matches? :p


He steal purses and punch screens at tournaments.

True story.


Demon's attitude... He's just incredibly inconsistent and loses focus easily. The whole EGTHROW joke is more attributable to his silly decisions than anything else, and he doesn't practice well. That can be handled except that Demon does not handle criticism well. He's very skillful and has a very large ego, and doesn't like having his decisions challenged.


Agreed. His position as mid doesn't really help him much either. Important role.

What is this whole screen punching story anyway?
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
May 17 2013 23:29 GMT
#57164
So, I'm downloading replays to pimp out my Smeevil when I noticed that Goblak's Treant ended with 0/0/4 stats in a game his team won with 18 kills and 6 deaths. I can't wait for the day when he wins a match with 0/0/0 stats, it will be glorious.
super gg
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
May 17 2013 23:34 GMT
#57165
Every Western team, with the possible exception of Alliance, has been really inconsistent. G-1 Lan is gonna be super hype.
Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 00:03:39
May 18 2013 00:01 GMT
#57166
On May 18 2013 07:35 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 07:28 5-s wrote:
On May 18 2013 07:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On May 18 2013 07:19 LaoShuAiDaMi wrote:
On May 18 2013 07:15 5-s wrote:
There's plenty of pubstars in IXDL better than EG players in the NA scene. The problem isn't the availability of players, but the choices of which ones to pick up. This is the same team that kicked out Bulba and Universe and kept Maelk, lest you guys forget.


Name 2 LOL.

RTZ

+Broodstar
+EE if they wanted him before joining KP when he was a free agent
+Clairvoyance
+KZZ puck


Are you being real right now? Broodstar is a complete troll and has no understanding of the game, KZZ can play 1 hero, Clairvoyance just yells a lot, but is otherwise just a worst Broodstar.

The only legit person you named was EE, and thats only because of his understanding of the game, not his mechanical skills.

Also Bulba left because he hated Demon's attitude, and Universe left because he wanted to focus on his studies. Neither left because EG kicked them.


Hmm, Broodstar is actually really damn good.

On May 18 2013 08:28 Grettin wrote:
What is this whole screen punching story anyway?


The Demon monitor story happened at SMM. From what I understand MiTH's captain dropped and they remade the game even though EG had a substantial lead. EG proceeded to lose said game and then dropped to the lower bracket. Misery yelled at some admins and Demon smashed the monitor.
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
May 18 2013 00:02 GMT
#57167
On May 18 2013 08:29 cecek wrote:
So, I'm downloading replays to pimp out my Smeevil when I noticed that Goblak's Treant ended with 0/0/4 stats in a game his team won with 18 kills and 6 deaths. I can't wait for the day when he wins a match with 0/0/0 stats, it will be glorious.


Only an antimage could pull off a 0/0/0 and that would mean your team won 4v5 while you were farming ^_^
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
May 18 2013 00:06 GMT
#57168
@shitixmikesays [8:02 PM] ixmike88: nog auretnees.
[8:02 PM] Korok: what the hell is nog auretnees
[8:02 PM] ixmike88: no gaurentees

Oh i remember how ixmike types so fast, you can barely understand what he is saying.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
May 18 2013 00:10 GMT
#57169
The screen punching issue had a lot of backstory, so I decided to provide some of it for people new to the scene. It's spoilered because it's a lot of words. You can find a recording of a live Q and A session Demon and others did after the incident on his twitch channel if you look around December 2011.

+ Show Spoiler +
In late 2011, EG went to SMM with their post-TI roster of Demon, Fear, Misery and Pajkatt, with the Chinese player Luo standing in for Playmate. During a winner's bracket Boi1 match with MiTH.Trust, EG used some unconventional lanes to take a commanding lead; 8-4 in kills, 6-0 in towers and a considerable advantage in farm including a Broodmother with Orchid and Syllabear with Radiance as well as an Urn and Pipe with Mek extremely close. MiTH's most farmed hero was an Antimage with Treads, RoH and Claymore. Just before 20 minutes, TNK, captain of MiTH, had a BSOD. Because of SMM's hardware sponsor, all the computers had software installed that performed automatic resets whenever a machine was rebooted. The reset wiped the machine's memory and TNK lost the save file, meaning the game could no longer be loaded. SMM's rules stated that any games unable to be loaded pre-20 minutes would be replayed, while games lasting longer than that would assign a point value to each kill and destroyed tower. The team with the most points would take the game. Initially, EG were offered either a defwin or the option to play the game out 4v5. EG chose to play the match out, but MiTH's players left en masse and walked away from their computers, leaving their manager to argue with the admins. Forty or forty-five minutes later, EG were told that the game would be remade.

So the game was remade, but not from the start. Both teams were given the same drafts, and EG were told to take the same lanes and items. MiTH were not. Because EG's success was built on unconventional laning of the Beastmaster, Syllabear and Broodmother, MiTH gained a massive advantage and steamrolled through them easily. At the conclusion of the game, EG disputed the admin's decision in extremely strong terms, pointing to a decision to award LGD a defwin in extremely similar circumstances the day before, the tournament's culpability in removing the save, and the possibility that TNK had deliberately caused the reset. (I have heard, but can't remember where, that the player was banging on the side of his PC with his hand in an effort to cause a hardware error.) That's when Demon smacked a monitor off a table. Misery and Pajkatt were both in the faces of admins and MiTH players. Eventually Fear got them out of the building and they announced that they were dropping out of SMM due to its serious organizational and technical problems.

Later, after community pressure, MiTH offered to replay the game completely. The SMM admins agreed initially but withdrew their agreement. EG's players felt that the offer wasn't genuine at all, but a smokescreen to get them to return to the venue to play out matches in the loser's bracket. The players weren't punished for anything that happened and the organization supported their decision to abandon the tournament, if not the manner in which they went about it.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
May 18 2013 00:30 GMT
#57170
Don't think a western team will win the wildcard spot since EG is out. They had the best chances of any other western team to take out the eastern qualifier.
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 00:58:44
May 18 2013 00:56 GMT
#57171
What is with all these Linken's weavers? I don't think I've seen a single weaver in any WQ game do anything other than rush Linken's off like basi and treads.

I keep hoping to see a well-executed midgame weaver with drums/yasha/medallion or something, but no, gotta get that infinite mana so you can shukuchi around the base while they take your rax.

Am I missing something here?
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 18 2013 01:18 GMT
#57172
Not missing anything. They just doing terrible builds and generally having zero impact(See Bamboe Weaver).
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 01:30:50
May 18 2013 01:30 GMT
#57173
Yeah but... like... every single one? I'm not exaggerating when I say I haven't seen a single weaver build anything but Linken's. And weaver is such a common pickup, they have to be expecting to get something out of him.
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
May 18 2013 01:33 GMT
#57174
People just don't know how to pay him. They think if you can just spam shukuchi more you win faster.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
May 18 2013 01:41 GMT
#57175
GOTTA MAX GEMINATE ATTACK BEFORE Q
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
May 18 2013 01:45 GMT
#57176
Maxing geminate over swarm, going linkens every single game even if it means you get it by 30min, splitpushing instead of teamfighting with 4/4/1. I'm not a fan.
WriterXiao8~~
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
May 18 2013 01:54 GMT
#57177
geminate is better over swarm once you get 2~3 levels in it. the extra 5 damage per hit is negligible and 20 seconds is really overkill
linkens first is dumb tho idk
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
May 18 2013 02:46 GMT
#57178
without linkens u cannot sk8

u gotta sk8
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 02:49:48
May 18 2013 02:47 GMT
#57179
The thing is, Geminate ranks don't do anything either in fights until you have BKB. Rank 1 Geminate has the same CD as rank 4 Shukuchi, and in those level 9-12 fights, you're more or less going to be rotating Shukuchi on cooldown, meaning that Geminate having slightly less CD doesn't really do anything. You're rotating cycles of 6 seconds regardless.

Geminate is powerful for laning (second rank of Geminate is very useful for lane harass in a lane that demands it), and for supplementing your damage after you have BKB and will actually fight it out in some cases, but prior to that using it on CD is limited by Shukuchi anyway.
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5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
May 18 2013 02:53 GMT
#57180
You guys shouldn't even copy pros' builds for your games anyway. In fact pros shouldn't copy other pros' builds, unless they're Chinese pros. For example, I've found that my weaver pub winrate went up dramatically after I started skilling stats instead of leveling up other stuff. Sometimes all you need is the ability to farm without being disturbed for a while, which might be part of the logic of linkens (although it's bad).
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
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