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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 04 2013 06:42 Sn0_Man wrote: Weren't you the one flaming people for not knowing how dota works like a page ago? funny thing was he was flaming me lol | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On May 04 2013 06:42 Sn0_Man wrote: Weren't you the one flaming people for not knowing how dota works like a page ago? Where am i wrong ? Soul burn is magical right ? Feast is physical hence minus armor helps it also saying that rtz > cty is clearly how dota works | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On May 04 2013 06:45 Erasme wrote: Where am i wrong ? Soul burn is magical right ? Feast is physical hence minus armor helps it He's not saying you're wrong, he's just saying that orchid will still amplify the damage of feast. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 04 2013 06:45 Erasme wrote: Where am i wrong ? Soul burn is magical right ? Feast is physical hence minus armor helps it also saying that rtz > cty is clearly how dota works soul burn will amplify all damage, it's only the amplify that is dealt magically. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 04 2013 06:47 Erasme wrote: and where did i say it wouldnt work. Ofc orchid + deso is better than just deso. What's your point ? are you purposely being dense here? The argument is orchid against deso, not orchid with deso. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
On May 04 2013 06:39 Comeh wrote: ...Am i the only one that sees value in orchid as a teamfighting item (against storm / Qop / Puck)? As I said, against those heroes, it becomes more valuable as a teamfight item as well. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On May 04 2013 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote: are you purposely being dense here? The argument is orchid against deso, not orchid with deso. Okay. -6 armor = -36ehp. 30%magical amplification = 22% damage. In some case orchid will be better (am/storm/qop) but in most deso is better than orchid. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 04 2013 06:50 Erasme wrote: Okay. -6 armor = -36ehp. 30%magical amplification = 22% damage. In some case orchid will be better (am/storm/qop) but in most deso is better than orchid. in which world do teams have nothing but physical damage? | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On May 04 2013 06:50 Erasme wrote: Okay. -6 armor = -36ehp. 30%magical amplification = 22% damage. In some case orchid will be better (am/storm/qop) but in most deso is better than orchid purely in terms of damage output. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On May 04 2013 06:51 wherebugsgo wrote: in which world do teams have nothing but physical damage? I dunno, i guess since were talking about orchid vs deso on naix we're not taking in account the other 9players. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 04 2013 06:52 SKC wrote: You can't just do the math adding the active from Orchid because it ignores the fact it only works for a limited amount of time and in a single target. Deso work on every target and helps the whole team. As a damage item Deso does more damage, Orchid would be taken if the active is useful. deso only works if you're actually hitting the target. You can orchid someone and get fiend's gripped before you attack and you still contributed. Orchid also helps the entire team, so I don't see the point here. On May 04 2013 06:52 Erasme wrote: I dunno, i guess since were talking about orchid vs deso on naix we're not taking in account the other 9players. yes, since dota is a 1v5 game we should ignore the items that actually help the team to win. That is of course why every carry player builds mjollnir instead of AC. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On May 04 2013 06:53 wherebugsgo wrote: deso only works if you're actually hitting the target. You can orchid someone and get fiend's gripped before you attack and you still contributed. Orchid also helps the entire team, so I don't see the point here. That it only does that for a limited amount of time in a single target. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 04 2013 06:53 wherebugsgo wrote: deso only works if you're actually hitting the target. You can orchid someone and get fiend's gripped before you attack and you still contributed. Orchid also helps the entire team, so I don't see the point here. yes, since dota is a 1v5 game we should ignore the items that actually help the team to win. That is of course why every carry player builds mjollnir instead of AC. I mean, in the case where you're aiming for teamfight power, neither Orchid nor Deso are compelling as second items compared to items that actually help your teamfight power a lot more. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
You get the Orchid for the Silence, not for the damage or the damage amplification part. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On May 04 2013 06:56 TheYango wrote: I mean, in the case where you're aiming for teamfight power, neither Orchid nor Deso are compelling as second items compared to items that actually help your teamfight power a lot more. Depends if they have a core that the team is really dependent on landing some crucial spell / whatever, there is no sheepstick coming soon, you are lacking disables etc etc for this hero (Storm) and they don't have a BKB coming soon. That being said, I don't build Orchid often on Naix. On May 04 2013 06:56 Kipsate wrote: Why are people even comparing Orchid and Desolator. You get the Orchid for the Silence, not for the damage or the damage amplification part. I blame erasme  . I don't think deso is a very good item on Naix to be honest. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 04 2013 06:54 SKC wrote: That it only does that for a limited amount of time in a single target. Right, but are you actually insinuating that deso is a better teamfight item than orchid for this reason? Naix is a really poor deso carrier. Deso is a good pure damage/pushing item, and naix is not suited for that. That's not his job. The simple fact that you can apply the deso effect to multiple people as opposed to being able to orchid multiple people doesn't justify buying it over orchid. On May 04 2013 06:56 TheYango wrote: I mean, in the case where you're aiming for teamfight power, neither Orchid nor Deso are compelling as second items compared to items that actually help your teamfight power a lot more. Like what? The only item I can think of that is better than orchid for that situation is AC. Orchid is arguably better in certain situations over AC to begin with, which is why you see players like Era building it. It's better than AC against 4 protect 1 teams, for example, since you're likely to be facing a lot of casters. | ||
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