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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 25 2013 10:39 GMT
#53181
Stronger and more versatile supports leave AA in the cold(hue hue hue), his strong point is his ultimate, the rest of his kit however makes him far less versatile. I wouldn't neccesarily say AA is bad, the alternatives are just better, I think he can still fit as a niche pick(perhaps as a ''counter'' to Alchemist his insane regen).
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Bash
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland1533 Posts
April 25 2013 11:05 GMT
#53182
Or more importantly Chen and particularly Juggernaut based midgamey push lineups.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
April 25 2013 11:36 GMT
#53183
On April 25 2013 20:05 Bash wrote:
Or more importantly Chen and particularly Juggernaut based midgamey push lineups.

Aye, I'm still waiting for him to be picked more often against these teams. He can completely shut down meks as well.
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blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
April 25 2013 11:36 GMT
#53184
Another strong point of AA is his Ice Vortex which is highly underused whenever played. Also it does not need to be played as support, I think there were a few games with AA solo mid.

Also if you haven't noticed, western players/teams "try" to pick up on other players/teams styles. Panda, Luna, Naga Siren, and KOTL are some examples.
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
April 25 2013 12:03 GMT
#53185
So VG are beating Orange with Wisp+CK right now on Netolic stream. Thoughts?
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
April 25 2013 12:05 GMT
#53186
On April 25 2013 21:03 cecek wrote:
So VG are beating Orange with Wisp+CK right now on Netolic stream. Thoughts?


Good for them?
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Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
April 25 2013 12:06 GMT
#53187
VG is a good team and wisp+ck is a strong combo. Not surprised.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 12:08:34
April 25 2013 12:07 GMT
#53188
On April 25 2013 21:06 Benjef wrote:
VG is a good team and wisp+ck is a strong combo. Not surprised.


Not to mention the draft Orange had.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 12:14:15
April 25 2013 12:10 GMT
#53189
ZSMJ get shut down hard (it is supposed to be 'completely shut down' on any other carry player imo, slight fanboy talking here) but magically pulled out a quick BKB. And then not sure was mushi acting today or genuine mistake.

I have high hope for VG to TI3!!


On April 25 2013 20:36 blahz0r wrote:
Another strong point of AA is his Ice Vortex which is highly underused whenever played. Also it does not need to be played as support, I think there were a few games with AA solo mid.

Also if you haven't noticed, western players/teams "try" to pick up on other players/teams styles. Panda, Luna, Naga Siren, and KOTL are some examples.


No chance for a western team to run a solo mid X hero and then transition to be supportive with that hero, and that contributes to many heroes not getting picked in the comp games.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
April 25 2013 12:13 GMT
#53190
wisp+ck was very nice counter to tinker :D
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
April 25 2013 12:15 GMT
#53191
On April 25 2013 21:13 icystorage wrote:
wisp+ck was very nice counter to tinker :D


and qop too~ ck didnt even use the stun on mushi for a few times rofl.
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 12:37:24
April 25 2013 12:36 GMT
#53192
Why is wisp ck a counter to tinker and qop? Tinker rushes blink every game nowadays, there's no way ck can catch him. Same with qop. Doesn't she just blink deep into the forest and wait it out/blink further/tp away?

edit: I just saw the last 3-5 minutes of the match, don't really know how it all panned out.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
April 25 2013 12:37 GMT
#53193
on that game, by the time tinker got BoT and tp's on a lane, he got ganked
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
April 25 2013 12:40 GMT
#53194
On April 25 2013 21:36 cecek wrote:
Why is wisp ck a counter to tinker and qop? Tinker rushes blink every game nowadays, there's no way ck can catch him. Same with qop. Doesn't she just blink deep into the forest and wait it out/blink further/tp away?

edit: I just saw the last 3-5 minutes of the match, don't really know how it all panned out.

If you shove CK+wisp mid it becomes a tough lane to farm for the Tinker. If you move the Tinker to a different lane CK wisp comes online before Tinker has his blink. Not much fun to be had for him.

It's a bit similar to Furion who also gets crushed by that combo.
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RageBot
Profile Joined November 2010
Israel1530 Posts
April 25 2013 13:08 GMT
#53195
When tryharding, how do I know when to do a defensive trilane and when to do an offensive one?
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
April 25 2013 13:12 GMT
#53196
Depends on the heroes you/they have. Stunners are normally fairly better set for agro tri lanes or set up heroes like SD+stunner.

While heroes with anti push, rubick/kotl are normally more set for deffensive tri lanes.

The carry also plays a big role like AM is terrible for agro tri's as he offers very little early on but a hero like naix or jugger is good for agro as they can slow/deal alot of damage early.

Hope that makes sense.




Anyway, thoughts on Sladar's sprint increasing AS too? I think that would make him a viable semi-carry/carry for the pro scene.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 13:18:15
April 25 2013 13:15 GMT
#53197
On April 25 2013 22:12 Benjef wrote:

Anyway, thoughts on Sladar's sprint increasing AS too? I think that would make him a viable semi-carry/carry for the pro scene.


Certainly should help him get picked more often, i'd believe. Is this 'confirmed' or just something you thought of?
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 13:29:05
April 25 2013 13:19 GMT
#53198
Toby Dawson ‏@TobiWanDOTA 1m
Casting the D2R tonight, no @TeamVirtuspro tho, as they said they have "roster issues". Expecting some kind of shuffle soon -> Goblak/Silent

More CIS changes?


or not, tobi just tweeting misinformation again -__-

Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
April 25 2013 13:19 GMT
#53199
On April 25 2013 22:15 Grettin wrote:
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On April 25 2013 22:12 Benjef wrote:

Anyway, thoughts on Sladar's sprint increasing AS too? I think that would make him a viable semi-carry/carry for the pro scene.


Certainly should help him get picked more often, i'd believe. Is this 'confirmed' or just something you thought of?

Thought of. I just thought it would be nice and make him viable. Maybe pub stomp too hard tho.
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Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
April 25 2013 13:23 GMT
#53200
On April 25 2013 22:12 Benjef wrote:
Anyway, thoughts on Sladar's sprint increasing AS too? I think that would make him a viable semi-carry/carry for the pro scene.


Could be ok. I hate him because of his lack of AS and he is a really slow farmer. Another thing is if you go for blink first then bkb you have like no damage items on you and if you can't find easy kills here and there then you're kinda screwed in my mind. Not sure how i should build him :/
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