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crms
United States11933 Posts
Our best guess is that you are 10. Is it close? o_O broken? or am I little kid? | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On April 23 2013 01:09 Torte de Lini wrote: Should Centaur's boots stay at Tranquil the whole game or is arcane a good idea? Nobody's boots stay at Tranquils the whole game anymore if they can afford the swap. I'm not sure arcanes are ideal on centaur but I guess they are an option. Centaur's mana costs are really not that high and I hesitate to put him in a support role where mana boots are good. Treads or Trav's are what I'd upgrade to but its situational as usual. If you are getting kited a lot post-ultimate then phase I suppose are the choice. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
People tell me that I look much older because I lost quite some hair since I am 15. This programm tells me that I am only 10. Good guy harvard! | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
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Asymmetric
Scotland1309 Posts
On April 23 2013 01:09 Torte de Lini wrote: Should Centaur's boots stay at Tranquil the whole game or is arcane a good idea? I don't even bother with tranquil's and hes one of the least mana usage heroes in the game. If your struggling for mana just leave your stomp at lvl2 for a few lvls. Starting items on Centuar - 2x healing salve (his health pool is huge so tango's don't go far) - 1x tango - stout shield - 1x Iron branch I just get basic boots and rush out a hood of defiance on centaur. I generally then get helm of Iron will. At this point you have solved your hp regen issues and with the magic resistance from hood you can pretty much spam lvl4 double edge all day. Finish power treads. Turn helm of Iron will into armlet of Mordiggan (I don't bother with vanguard these day, armlet is almost the same cost and does so much more). Finally pick up Heart. If you get off to an insane rolling start you can try rushing a Reaver for a Heart of tara early. It's pretty insane on centaur. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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Asymmetric
Scotland1309 Posts
On April 23 2013 02:42 TheKefka wrote: or you know,buy a blink dagger and win the game I don't like blink centaur. It's a bit like blink on tiny but worst, it eats into your really small mana pull and delays your ability to hit your other mid game items that allows Centaur to be like Chaos Knight and just overpower other heroes in the mid game. It stops you hitting the tipping point where you just stop dying. It scale's really badly on Centaur in the late game, as soon as you hit 16 your stampede cool down is so low its up every team fight for initiation. That said, if you don't pick up blink you do need some help in early team fights when stampede is down. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On April 23 2013 02:51 Asymmetric wrote: I don't like blink centaur. It's a bit like blink on tiny but worst, it eats into your really small mana pull and delays your ability to hit your other mid game items that allows Centaur to be like Chaos Knight and just overpower other heroes in the mid game. It stops you hitting the tipping point where you just stop dying. It scale's really badly on Centaur in the late game, as soon as you hit 16 your stampede cool down is so low its up every team fight for initiation. That said, if you don't pick up blink you do need some help in early team fights when stampede is down. If you aren't getting blink on Centuar, you aren't playing him correctly. He doesn't really scale well as anything else but as a roaming, ganking, initiator. He has some decent problems against any team that has and uses TP's well with his ultimate alone (which has a long cooldown earlier on). You are just wasting his potential by not getting a blink. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
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Mandini
United States1717 Posts
On April 23 2013 02:55 Kipsate wrote: A blink Dagger is still good because it allows you a solid form of initation, when Centaur uses his ultimate the first thing the enemies do is the DELTA SPLIT. DELTA SPLIT | ||
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Asymmetric
Scotland1309 Posts
I believe it's a failure from conception to go blink on Centaur. There's so many other heroes you would rather see blinking in. One of the the reasons no one plays axe competitively is exactly because all you can do with him late-game is be a bad blink in imitator. Why bother when characters like Earthshaker or Magnus can do the same thing but vastly better? Where Centaur does shine is flattening most other heroes in the 20-30 minute mark of the game, his burst damage and high natural strength gain combined with a modest item like armlet lets him play a role like chaos knight in the mid-game and in the late game (where chaos knight starts to fade off as well I might add) you at least have stampede to fall back on for value. It's worth noting Centuar does have a much faster farm rate, atleast in the early stages of the game, than heroes like CK or Tiny. As soon as you get up hood of defiance and hit lvl7 for 4 lvls in double edge you can almost one shot an entire creep wave and can do it to smaller jungle camps. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On April 23 2013 03:13 Asymmetric wrote: I see what your saying, but I respectively disagree with the conventional wisdom on centaur. I believe it's a failure from conception to go blink on Centaur. There's so many other heroes you would rather see blinking in. One of the the reasons no one plays axe competitively is exactly because all you can do with him late-game is be a bad blink in imitator. Why bother when characters like Earthshaker or Magnus can do the same thing but vastly better? Where Centaur does shine is flattening most other heroes in the 20-30 minute mark of the game, his burst damage and high natural strength gain combined with a modest item like armlet lets him play a role like chaos knight in the mid-game and in the late game (where chaos knight starts to fade off as well I might add) you at least have stampede to fall back on for value. You really cannot compare the carry potential of CK and Centaur. CK is definatelly on a whole other level. Phantasm and Crit actually makes him a pretty decent lategame carry. And the fact that axe is overshadowed by other initiators doesn't mean that you should build Centaur in a way where he is overshadowed even more by similar midgame carries. Yes, people didn't pick axe very often, but people also never picked Centaur as a semi-carry, and the change to his ult didn't really change much regarding that role. | ||
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ch33psh33p
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On April 23 2013 03:13 Asymmetric wrote: Where Centaur does shine is flattening most other heroes in the 20-30 minute mark of the game, his burst damage and high natural strength gain combined with a modest item like armlet lets him play a role like chaos knight in the mid-game and in the late game (where chaos knight starts to fade off as well I might add) you at least have stampede to fall back on for value. It's worth noting Centuar does have a much faster farm rate, atleast in the early stages of the game, than heroes like CK or Tiny. As soon as you get up hood of defiance and hit lvl7 for 4 lvls in double edge you can almost one shot an entire creep wave and can do it to smaller jungle camps. What? CK's carry potential, far into the late game, exceeds Centaur's ability BY MILES. CK has one of the strongest raw damage crits in the game, and an ultimate that further amplifies his damage by 400%. If you play him as a 2, of course he's going to fall off. But teams have run him as a 1 on a semi-frequent basis, and if you build for the late game, CK is a fine carry. | ||
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fleeze
Germany895 Posts
On April 23 2013 03:13 Asymmetric wrote: I see what your saying, but I respectively disagree with the conventional wisdom on centaur. I believe it's a failure from conception to go blink on Centaur. There's so many other heroes you would rather see blinking in. One of the the reasons no one plays axe competitively is exactly because all you can do with him late-game is be a bad blink in imitator. Why bother when characters like Earthshaker or Magnus can do the same thing but vastly better? Where Centaur does shine is flattening most other heroes in the 20-30 minute mark of the game, his burst damage and high natural strength gain combined with a modest item like armlet lets him play a role like chaos knight in the mid-game and in the late game (where chaos knight starts to fade off as well I might add) you at least have stampede to fall back on for value. an initiator should get blink. it's the very same reason you get blink on slardar. also you will very rarely see a game with centaur AND magnus. roles are overlapping so there is no reason to get both. also there is NO reason to build your centaur as a carry for 20-30 minutes. he will just lose against every other CARRY. btw: chaos knight has a WAY better carry ult than centaur. stampede is like totally useless for himself but a teamfight skill. whereas ck with illusions can take on nearly anybody head on head. | ||
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Zexion
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Asymmetric
Scotland1309 Posts
On April 23 2013 03:17 SKC wrote: You really cannot compare the carry potential of CK and Centaur. CK is definatelly on a whole other level. Phantasm and Crit actually makes him a pretty decent lategame carry. And the fact that axe is overshadowed by other initiators doesn't mean that you should build Centaur in a way where he is overshadowed even more by similar midgame carries. Yes, people didn't pick axe very often, but people also never picked Centaur as a semi-carry, and the change to his ult didn't really change much regarding that role. I believe there is a significant timing window to use centaur as a semi-carry. Centaur has a much faster farm rate in the early to mid stages than a hero like CK, he can reach decent mid games items significantly faster than him. The change to his ult has given him an alternative form of imitation. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On April 23 2013 03:32 Asymmetric wrote: I believe there is a significant timing window to use centaur as a semi-carry. Centaur has a much faster farm rate in the early to mid stages than a hero like CK, he can reach decent mid games items significantly faster than him. The change to his ult has given him an alternative form of imitation. Why exactly does Centaur has such a significantly faster farm rate in the early game? | ||
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