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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 21:23:54
April 19 2013 21:23 GMT
#52381
On April 20 2013 06:20 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 06:18 trinxified wrote:
On April 20 2013 06:16 Torte de Lini wrote:
On April 20 2013 06:09 trinxified wrote:
Heh TDL, you like stacking buffs/debuffs too eh?

I like doing the same thing. Not really the best item builds, but it looks cool and great on paper.

1) stacking lifesteal on SK/Naix, etc.
2) stacking minus armor on Slardar/SF, etc.


I try to avoid it, but I'm a real sucker for stacking debuffs like -armor for Vengeful Spirit.
It's my secret pleasure to see someone at -16 armor @_@


LOL same. I did it with Slardar the other day too. Deso/AC/Medallion plus ult. I think it maxes at -30 though...

-20


There isn't a cap until Valve fixes the parity. bug thread
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
April 19 2013 21:27 GMT
#52382
On April 20 2013 06:23 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 06:20 rabidch wrote:
On April 20 2013 06:18 trinxified wrote:
On April 20 2013 06:16 Torte de Lini wrote:
On April 20 2013 06:09 trinxified wrote:
Heh TDL, you like stacking buffs/debuffs too eh?

I like doing the same thing. Not really the best item builds, but it looks cool and great on paper.

1) stacking lifesteal on SK/Naix, etc.
2) stacking minus armor on Slardar/SF, etc.


I try to avoid it, but I'm a real sucker for stacking debuffs like -armor for Vengeful Spirit.
It's my secret pleasure to see someone at -16 armor @_@


LOL same. I did it with Slardar the other day too. Deso/AC/Medallion plus ult. I think it maxes at -30 though...

-20


There isn't a cap until Valve fixes the parity. bug thread


Great. -37 armor with Slardar is awesome.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
April 19 2013 21:44 GMT
#52383
Just go QE voker with medalion and deso.... I do it pretty much everytime i play the hero =)) Those supports suprised how they died in 3 right click.

Just try out skywrath mage.... terrible at him. But the game before that i killed a level 16 skywrath with pugna ward: THAT FEEL.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
April 19 2013 22:30 GMT
#52384
And I thought you guys would be the first to tell me about this.

Patch broke -cm, don't try. No one can pick or ban heroes.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
April 19 2013 22:30 GMT
#52385
patch always breaks a lot of things we'll get through it together
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
April 19 2013 22:34 GMT
#52386
Mirana's arrow's stun duration formula is apparently reversed. Fun hour ahead.
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
April 19 2013 22:35 GMT
#52387
On April 20 2013 07:34 Saryph wrote:
Mirana's arrow's stun duration formula is apparently reversed. Fun hour ahead.


lol? Meaning the longer range, less stun time?
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
April 19 2013 22:37 GMT
#52388
On April 20 2013 07:34 Saryph wrote:
Mirana's arrow's stun duration formula is apparently reversed. Fun hour ahead.

lmao

Leap onto target -> arrow -> gg.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
April 19 2013 22:42 GMT
#52389
It was just patched, sadly.
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=82792
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 23:19:31
April 19 2013 23:18 GMT
#52390
Can I start a discussion regarding Phase Boots?

For some reason, I almost always avoid this item on heroes where it's usually core/recommended. I seem to always argue with myself that Arcanes/Treads or even Tranqs (not as much anymore after the recent nerf) would be better.

Anyone have the same issue?
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 23:24:16
April 19 2013 23:23 GMT
#52391
On April 20 2013 08:18 trinxified wrote:
Can I start a discussion regarding Phase Boots?

For some reason, I almost always avoid this item on heroes where it's usually core/recommended. I seem to always argue with myself that Arcanes/Treads or even Tranqs (not as much anymore after the recent nerf) would be better.

Anyone have the same issue?

Depends on the hero. A lot of times you want phase boots on gankers (e.g. bounty hunter, also synergizes with jinada) for extra chasing power, sometimes it's good mids that can rely on bottle for mana since it not only allows you to chase people better but also gives you better rune control (death prophet, tiny).

Some heroes need it just so that their last hitting isn't absolute shit (QW invoker).

Hard to discuss when you don't give specific examples. There are definitely heroes that have phase boots recommended in their build that don't need it, but phase boots are definitely not a bad item.
:)
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
April 19 2013 23:28 GMT
#52392
On April 20 2013 08:18 trinxified wrote:
Can I start a discussion regarding Phase Boots?

For some reason, I almost always avoid this item on heroes where it's usually core/recommended. I seem to always argue with myself that Arcanes/Treads or even Tranqs (not as much anymore after the recent nerf) would be better.

Anyone have the same issue?

Singsing getts phase boot on EVERY heroes he play.... may be except QoP
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
April 19 2013 23:30 GMT
#52393
On April 20 2013 08:28 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 08:18 trinxified wrote:
Can I start a discussion regarding Phase Boots?

For some reason, I almost always avoid this item on heroes where it's usually core/recommended. I seem to always argue with myself that Arcanes/Treads or even Tranqs (not as much anymore after the recent nerf) would be better.

Anyone have the same issue?

Singsing getts phase boot on EVERY heroes he play.... may be except QoP


That's because Phase boots Lothars and MoM is the holy trinity.
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
April 19 2013 23:36 GMT
#52394
Man, Mirana bug was so funny. Get hooked by Pudge, throw a point blank arrow start running away. Realize it's 5s stun turn and kill.
Never make a hydralisk.
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
April 19 2013 23:44 GMT
#52395
On April 20 2013 08:23 synapse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 08:18 trinxified wrote:
Can I start a discussion regarding Phase Boots?

For some reason, I almost always avoid this item on heroes where it's usually core/recommended. I seem to always argue with myself that Arcanes/Treads or even Tranqs (not as much anymore after the recent nerf) would be better.

Anyone have the same issue?

Depends on the hero. A lot of times you want phase boots on gankers (e.g. bounty hunter, also synergizes with jinada) for extra chasing power, sometimes it's good mids that can rely on bottle for mana since it not only allows you to chase people better but also gives you better rune control (death prophet, tiny).

Some heroes need it just so that their last hitting isn't absolute shit (QW invoker).

Hard to discuss when you don't give specific examples. There are definitely heroes that have phase boots recommended in their build that don't need it, but phase boots are definitely not a bad item.


I know what you mean, but I want to make it simple lol.

If phase boots is picked up for the damage output, I don't see why Treads wouldn't be better. That's generally +8 along with the +30 attack speed, and the stat gain too (HP/armor and more attackspeed/mana).

For heroes like DP, Lesh, etc., why not just get Arcanes to allow spell spam, help team too.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-20 00:01:44
April 19 2013 23:59 GMT
#52396
On April 20 2013 08:44 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 08:23 synapse wrote:
On April 20 2013 08:18 trinxified wrote:
Can I start a discussion regarding Phase Boots?

For some reason, I almost always avoid this item on heroes where it's usually core/recommended. I seem to always argue with myself that Arcanes/Treads or even Tranqs (not as much anymore after the recent nerf) would be better.

Anyone have the same issue?

Depends on the hero. A lot of times you want phase boots on gankers (e.g. bounty hunter, also synergizes with jinada) for extra chasing power, sometimes it's good mids that can rely on bottle for mana since it not only allows you to chase people better but also gives you better rune control (death prophet, tiny).

Some heroes need it just so that their last hitting isn't absolute shit (QW invoker).

Hard to discuss when you don't give specific examples. There are definitely heroes that have phase boots recommended in their build that don't need it, but phase boots are definitely not a bad item.


I know what you mean, but I want to make it simple lol.

If phase boots is picked up for the damage output, I don't see why Treads wouldn't be better. That's generally +8 along with the +30 attack speed, and the stat gain too (HP/armor and more attackspeed/mana).

For heroes like DP, Lesh, etc., why not just get Arcanes to allow spell spam, help team too.

Laning isn't going to allow you to utilize attack speed during harass (you're not both going to be in range to constantly autoattack, it's going to be individual attacks). Attack speed helps a little with last hitting / denying if you're not used to the animation speed, but generally more straight up damage is better if you're decent at last hitting.

Arcanes isn't BAD on DP but I think phase provides more laning utility and synergizes incredibly well with the drums/euls build if you choose to do that. A fast void stone + your bottle should really solve your mana issues as DP, not worth it to sacrifice the speed for rune control to get arcanes. Lesh should probably get arcanes until he no longer needs the mana regen (e.g. he turns arcanes into bloodstone then gets phase / BoT to be able to chase people with edict / ult).
:)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-20 00:08:49
April 20 2013 00:01 GMT
#52397
Generally Bloodstone heroes do get Arcanes first, and then swap out after they make their Bloodstone. At the point where you have Bloodstone already, your regen is so high there's no point in remaking Arcanes AGAIN.

Phase Boots are almost always picked for the movement speed on positioning-dependent heroes, though. This is actually the aspect that's more relevant for BH rather than the damage output--he's 100% movespeed reliant for his in-fight mobility after he reveals himself, so it's absolutely critical that he has 522 MS as early as possible for easy engaging/disengaging. While later items will eventually get you there anyway, Phase lets you have it early. BH needs 41% MS to cap movement speed with upgraded Boots--Track gives 20% and Drums gives 5%/15% when activated--Phase lets you cap early without getting an additional Movement Speed item. You'll eventually hit the cap with Yasha/Manta, but being able to have 522 MS with just Drums is very useful, especially if you have to get BKB before Yasha because of the way the game is going.

The typical Phase Boots heroes like BH, Jugger, Naix, sometimes Razor or TA, etc. are heroes that are heavily dependent on their in-fight positioning to maximize their effectiveness--but don't have natural movement skills, and therefore Phase Boots are important to give them the necessary movement speed to properly position/move around in fights. The situations where Treads are the right choice on these heroes are typically scenarios where your teammates have sufficient disabling or movement enhancing ability to make the Phase Boots movement speed unnecessary.
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Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
April 20 2013 00:35 GMT
#52398
my friend and i randomed anti mage pugna vs a skywrath, poor dude

i think im a phase boots on venge convert now, the boost really can get you that clutch q even more so than a good swap
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
April 20 2013 01:09 GMT
#52399
ive lost track of how many times my game client has been out of date today
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
April 20 2013 01:19 GMT
#52400
I'm convinced that Skywrath is terrible
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
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