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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 19 2013 20:54 GMT
#52361
You don't need it.

Basically the hero needs two things: the ability to stay alive, and mana. If he satisfies these two requirements, his damage is sufficient regardless.
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
April 19 2013 20:55 GMT
#52362
On April 20 2013 05:52 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 05:47 trinxified wrote:
The only thing you're missing now is mana regen. I like Orchid for this. Even Necro book is legit because of the STR and INT gain.

Eul's is better than Orchid on this hero given how he has zero need for autoattack stats (which Orchid is buying a ton of). The Orchid Silence is also not that necessary given that the hero has no lack of offensive capability and has a greater need for defensive power from his item actives.


Yeah I was about to say this actually. I totally forgot about Eul's for some reason. This is a much better item choice than Orchid, defensive item, boosts movement speed too.

I'd go Atos, Eul's, Necro book. I know necromicon isn't the BEST, but it's hard to argue why not with that item.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
April 19 2013 20:55 GMT
#52363
lmao more new laning music
i forgot what the old ones sounded like :x
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 20:56:17
April 19 2013 20:55 GMT
#52364
On April 20 2013 05:53 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 05:52 TheYango wrote:
On April 20 2013 05:47 trinxified wrote:
The only thing you're missing now is mana regen. I like Orchid for this. Even Necro book is legit because of the STR and INT gain.

Eul's is better than Orchid on this hero given how he has zero need for autoattack stats (which Orchid is buying a ton of). The Orchid Silence is also not that necessary given that the hero has no lack of offensive capability and has a greater need for defensive power from his item actives.


What about the amplify damage?

A) he already has his own amplify damage (I'm sure they stack to a degree but who cares?)
B) Who cares? He does a billion damage that really isn't the issue. His issue is living to do the damage and having the mana to do the damage.

So does bladmail rape Skywrath or does blademail rape skywrath?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 19 2013 20:55 GMT
#52365
Necronomicon is good if only because the item has specific uses against several of the heroes that otherwise crush you really hard (Pugna and Nyx in particular).
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 19 2013 20:57 GMT
#52366
I added veil in extension. Let me update it for you guys
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 20:58:27
April 19 2013 20:57 GMT
#52367
On April 20 2013 05:55 FinestHour wrote:
lmao more new laning music
i forgot what the old ones sounded like :x


I never knew there was laning music. I have had it off since the first time i opened the game. :o
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
April 19 2013 20:57 GMT
#52368
What I really don't know about this hero is if BKB is even worth it most of the time. It kinda seems needed vs Pugna or other few cases, but it also feels like you really don't want to waste 3.9k on that.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 20:58:25
April 19 2013 20:57 GMT
#52369
I'm just gonna AP nyx all day.

I rape Skywrath if hes my enemy, and I rape his other obvious counter (Pugna) if Skywrath is my ally. :D.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 19 2013 20:57 GMT
#52370
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=140111731
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
April 19 2013 21:00 GMT
#52371
Small nitpick, but Bloodstone feels really odd as an extension. It would be a situational build, where you get it instead of the core items you are currently picking, but an extension items is more something you get after your core, where BS really doesn't fit.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 19 2013 21:01 GMT
#52372
On April 20 2013 06:00 SKC wrote:
Small nitpick, but Bloodstone feels really odd as an extension. It would be a situational build, where you get it instead of the core items you are currently picking, but an extension items is more something you get after your core, where BS really doesn't fit.


I just moved it situational with the note that it needs to get early or forget about it.

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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
April 19 2013 21:05 GMT
#52373
On April 20 2013 05:57 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 05:55 FinestHour wrote:
lmao more new laning music
i forgot what the old ones sounded like :x


I never knew there was laning music. I have had it off since the first time i opened the game. :o


i enjoy good orchestral music, its not bad at all
i just wish they would make up their minds lmao
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
April 19 2013 21:09 GMT
#52374
Heh TDL, you like stacking buffs/debuffs too eh?

I like doing the same thing. Not really the best item builds, but it looks cool and great on paper.

1) stacking lifesteal on SK/Naix, etc.
2) stacking minus armor on Slardar/SF, etc.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 19 2013 21:16 GMT
#52375
On April 20 2013 06:09 trinxified wrote:
Heh TDL, you like stacking buffs/debuffs too eh?

I like doing the same thing. Not really the best item builds, but it looks cool and great on paper.

1) stacking lifesteal on SK/Naix, etc.
2) stacking minus armor on Slardar/SF, etc.


I try to avoid it, but I'm a real sucker for stacking debuffs like -armor for Vengeful Spirit.
It's my secret pleasure to see someone at -16 armor @_@
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
April 19 2013 21:18 GMT
#52376
On April 20 2013 06:16 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 06:09 trinxified wrote:
Heh TDL, you like stacking buffs/debuffs too eh?

I like doing the same thing. Not really the best item builds, but it looks cool and great on paper.

1) stacking lifesteal on SK/Naix, etc.
2) stacking minus armor on Slardar/SF, etc.


I try to avoid it, but I'm a real sucker for stacking debuffs like -armor for Vengeful Spirit.
It's my secret pleasure to see someone at -16 armor @_@


LOL same. I did it with Slardar the other day too. Deso/AC/Medallion plus ult. I think it maxes at -30 though...
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 19 2013 21:20 GMT
#52377
On April 20 2013 06:18 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 06:16 Torte de Lini wrote:
On April 20 2013 06:09 trinxified wrote:
Heh TDL, you like stacking buffs/debuffs too eh?

I like doing the same thing. Not really the best item builds, but it looks cool and great on paper.

1) stacking lifesteal on SK/Naix, etc.
2) stacking minus armor on Slardar/SF, etc.


I try to avoid it, but I'm a real sucker for stacking debuffs like -armor for Vengeful Spirit.
It's my secret pleasure to see someone at -16 armor @_@


LOL same. I did it with Slardar the other day too. Deso/AC/Medallion plus ult. I think it maxes at -30 though...

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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 19 2013 21:21 GMT
#52378
On April 20 2013 06:18 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 06:16 Torte de Lini wrote:
On April 20 2013 06:09 trinxified wrote:
Heh TDL, you like stacking buffs/debuffs too eh?

I like doing the same thing. Not really the best item builds, but it looks cool and great on paper.

1) stacking lifesteal on SK/Naix, etc.
2) stacking minus armor on Slardar/SF, etc.


I try to avoid it, but I'm a real sucker for stacking debuffs like -armor for Vengeful Spirit.
It's my secret pleasure to see someone at -16 armor @_@


LOL same. I did it with Slardar the other day too. Deso/AC/Medallion plus ult. I think it maxes at -30 though...


That makes me so moist loool, its' fucking amazing!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 19 2013 21:22 GMT
#52379
Well the damage amplification stops at -20, but it might display more (I don't know). Anything past -20 has no effect though.
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Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
April 19 2013 21:22 GMT
#52380
I like how his ulti only hits heroes. I was worried the first time I used it that the damage was gonna be split between the 5 creeps lol
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
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