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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
April 19 2013 19:46 GMT
#52321
Yyf played bear at early stages of ig right after combining when he went offlane, he also plate carry/bear a few times when ig first transitioned to dota2 since he was the only one who had played more than 20 games of dota at the time
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
April 19 2013 19:55 GMT
#52322
Is the EMS final soon?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 19 2013 19:57 GMT
#52323
On April 20 2013 04:46 Kupon3ss wrote:
Yyf played bear at early stages of ig right after combining when he went offlane, he also plate carry/bear a few times when ig first transitioned to dota2 since he was the only one who had played more than 20 games of dota at the time

Was that in any official games or just scrims?
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
April 19 2013 19:59 GMT
#52324
On April 20 2013 04:55 Yoshi- wrote:
Is the EMS final soon?


Starts at 11 CEST tomorrow

I guess they play all quarters tomorrow, with semis and finals on Sunday
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
April 19 2013 20:02 GMT
#52325
Ahh I see, was wondering why my twitter feed was full of "just arrived at the hotel"-stuff.

Also i really like this post on the ESL site:
www.esl.eu/eu/emsone/news/219590/
Their first appearance will be at the Spring 2013 Finals in Katowice, Poland, where Europe's and North America's best eight teams fight for a prize fund of $35,000.

Either someone wrote this with no clue about the tournament, or that was intended.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 19 2013 20:19 GMT
#52326
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=140111731&tscn=1366402284

Just released my 100th hero guide :D Can you guys give feedback? What items am I missing or is the ability build wrong?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 20:24:17
April 19 2013 20:23 GMT
#52327
On April 20 2013 05:19 Torte de Lini wrote:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=140111731&tscn=1366402284

Just released my 100th hero guide :D Can you guys give feedback? What items am I missing or is the ability build wrong?


Not sure about orchid or refresher.

He really isn't an auto-attacker, is squishy and his spells have quite a long range, so he probally wants to stay far back in the fights.

Really don't know why refresher would be needed, extremelly low cooldown on spells, his limitation is basically only mana, something refresher does more harm than good.

Would probally put Force instead of Atos as core, but that's not really a big deal, and I'm not so sure about Mek as well, he sort of could use being a little more tanky, but it's another thing to spend mana on and delay your int items.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 19 2013 20:24 GMT
#52328
On April 20 2013 05:23 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 05:19 Torte de Lini wrote:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=140111731&tscn=1366402284

Just released my 100th hero guide :D Can you guys give feedback? What items am I missing or is the ability build wrong?


Not sure about orchid or refresher.

He really isn't an auto-attacker, is squishy and his spells have quite a long range, so he probally wants to stay far back in the fights.

Really don't know why refresher would be needed, extremelly low cooldown on spells, his limitation is basically only mana, something refresher does more harm than good.

Would probally put Force instead of Atos as core, but that's not really a big deal, and I'm not so sure about Mek as well, he sort of could use being a little more tanky, but it's another thing to spend mana on and delay your int items.


Oops, not refresher! My bad!
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 19 2013 20:25 GMT
#52329
Force Staff is higher priority than Atos, tbh. He needs the mobility far more than the extra slow.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
April 19 2013 20:26 GMT
#52330
Bottle should probably go on there as situational at the very least. Refresher definitely doesn't belong there. FS is more important than Atos.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 20:27:12
April 19 2013 20:26 GMT
#52331
I put Atos over Force Staff because of the slow range working in conjunction with Concussive Shells range.
I can swap them however.

On April 20 2013 05:26 Firebolt145 wrote:
Bottle should probably go on there as situational at the very least. Refresher definitely doesn't belong there. FS is more important than Atos.


Skywrath is laning, not middle. Even if so, I wouldn't put bottle over arcane boots ASAP. Not sure about bottle.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
April 19 2013 20:27 GMT
#52332
On April 20 2013 05:26 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 05:26 Firebolt145 wrote:
Bottle should probably go on there as situational at the very least. Refresher definitely doesn't belong there. FS is more important than Atos.


Skywrath is laning, not middle.


Why?
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 20:33:05
April 19 2013 20:30 GMT
#52333
On April 20 2013 05:27 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 05:26 Torte de Lini wrote:
On April 20 2013 05:26 Firebolt145 wrote:
Bottle should probably go on there as situational at the very least. Refresher definitely doesn't belong there. FS is more important than Atos.


Skywrath is laning, not middle.


Why?


Soloing in the middle lane... what a big dilemma. I personally don’t like this idea, but I want to point it out in an objective way. Most of the times, you’ll do it because you want to be effective in the first phase of the game, reaching level 6 as soon as possible and bringing havoc around the map with Mystic Flare. But there are many things to consider.

Proper last-hitting

Your job drastically changes compared to a dual lane. Instead of harassing the opponent, now you have to take advantage of this opportunity, gaining the highest amount of money possible. It’s hard: there’s a big difference between you and a Chaos Knight (79 maximum damage output, with Quelling Blade). In a certain sense is easier for melee heroes, and moveover, the more you walk away from the targeted creep, the more time will elapse before the projectile will hit.

Taking care of yourself

I repeated many times that Skywrath Mage is a very fragile hero, so he can’t dominate the lane. This could mean that you won’t be able to land many hits, and gain less experience due to the enemy’s last-hits. Try to take advantage of your attack range, but don’t overdo because you are cannon fudder already after a few shots.

The correct items

If you’re going to solo middle, I suggest you to start off with the “variant” starting item build. Clarity Potion is crucial to refill the whole mana: while you start the first gank of the game, at level 6, you’re supposed not to have a lot of mana, so it will fix this issue. Animal Courier is very important if no other one buys it: the first thing it will carry to you is the Ring of Protection (Skywrath Mage’s starting armor is equal to 1), but it’s also useful if you need extra regenerative items. I refuse Empty Bottle, I think its purchase slows the one of Arcane Boots. In this phase of the game, you don’t only need more mana, but also an extended mana pool.

Allies

I don’t know how much Mystic Flare will be effective withouth the right allies, it depends on the enemies’ skills too, but I’m completely sure that they are able to increase a lot chances of success. You can find below a deeper description of them all.

One shot, one kill

Mystic Flare is a double-edged sword, but many tend not to consider it. You probably already know that your mana decreases to 0 in the first gank. So, what will happen? “One shot, one kill” or “one shot... fail”? Don’t try your luck, hoping in a dumb enemy.

Well, if you’re able to accomplish all the above factors feel free to solo middle. If not, go back to “early game” and restart from there.


http://www.playdota.com/guides/the-arcane-witchcraft

Generally, he can mid, he's just really fragile and doesn't have the mana to support beyond one gank (and if you miss bottle/rune, you're fucked unless bottle crowing). Even so, he would get bottle before getting arcane boots when he needs armor and strength (wand, RoB and Meka next)

I didn't feel it was a reasonable reason to put him in lane when he can do pretty good as a laner with his concussive shell + Ancient zeal and help out with ganks rather than be the leader in terms of highest-levels.
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duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
April 19 2013 20:33 GMT
#52334
[image loading]

TC is on the bottom.

Torte, I would consider moving Atos to core and put Force Staff in situational. Rest is fine..
"I really like Marauders and Marines." - Flash
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 20:34:29
April 19 2013 20:33 GMT
#52335
Thats a bad guide.

Think of Skywrath like zeus: infinite magic damage, hugely level and mana dependant, very fragile.

The differences primarily lying in Skywrath having a silence, a slow and scaling off of intelligence.
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
April 19 2013 20:33 GMT
#52336
That guide is bad.

Clarity Potion is crucial to refill the whole mana: while you start the first gank of the game, at level 6, you’re supposed not to have a lot of mana, so it will fix this issue. Animal Courier is very important if no other one buys it: the first thing it will carry to you is the Ring of Protection (Skywrath Mage’s starting armor is equal to 1), but it’s also useful if you need extra regenerative items. I refuse Empty Bottle, I think its purchase slows the one of Arcane Boots. In this phase of the game, you don’t only need more mana, but also an extended mana pool.


You have the burst to kill people at 3 5 6, you don't need additional mana for the first one. Bottle gives you more mana than arcanes. Basilius is weak if you have high int gain, the naked sobi mask would give you better mana regen. You don't win lane by outlasthitting the other guy, you win by threatening his death when he goes for lasthits.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 19 2013 20:33 GMT
#52337
On April 20 2013 05:33 duoform wrote:
[image loading]

TC is on the bottom.

Torte, I would consider moving Atos to core and put Force Staff in situational. Rest is fine..


Haha, people just argued the opposite.
I like Atos on core, but FS seems a lot safer.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
April 19 2013 20:33 GMT
#52338
He really screams mid hero to me.

"I repeated many times that Skywrath Mage is a very fragile hero, so he can’t dominate the lane."

He can dominate the lane, since he can force the opponent out of it by sheer nuking. You may have issues last hitting until 3, but then it shouldn't be that bad.

He says clarity is crucial, it really isn't if you rush bottle. Rushing a RoP really isn't as well.

It really seems too much like a low level pub guide, you really need levels, you need farm, you are a great 1v1 hero. Solo mid seems obvious. I could maybe see him as support, but that's a diferent build entirely.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 19 2013 20:34 GMT
#52339
On April 20 2013 05:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
Thats a bad guide.

Think of Skywrath like zeus: infinite magic damage, hugely level and mana dependant, very fragile.


I attributed him similar to OD with less control of the lane (Astral. Imprisonment).
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
April 19 2013 20:35 GMT
#52340
On April 20 2013 05:34 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 05:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
Thats a bad guide.

Think of Skywrath like zeus: infinite magic damage, hugely level and mana dependant, very fragile.


I attributed him similar to OD with less control of the lane (Astral. Imprisonment).


Would you lane OD?
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