• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:36
CEST 06:36
KST 13:36
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver4[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon98Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?179Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down How do you feel about the StarCraft shooter announcement at BlizzCon 2026? Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week #92
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice
Brood War
General
Why Protoss Struggles on ASL (Ft. Shuttle, Tulbo) Remastered crash fix suggestions BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon? [D] Brainstorming a balance patch for Brood war
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro16 Group C [ASL22] Ro16 Group B
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Post Your Watch! Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Virtual Romance, Real-Life C…
TrAiDoS
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8349 users

General Discussion - Page 2602

Forum Index > Dota 2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2600 2601 2602 2603 2604 6534 Next
IRC chatter should remain in IRC - http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=tl.dota2

Posts that relate to topics with their own thread, such as in News, Tournaments or Strategy should go in those threads.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
April 17 2013 17:58 GMT
#52021
On April 18 2013 02:53 evilfatsh1t wrote:
yeah lumi is the only caster ive found that actually bothers to study mechanics and stuff outside his casts. id say hes the most knowledgeable non-pro caster.


Ugh.. I have to disagree with you here personally. While you might be right that he studies stuff and such, i just can't stand him. Some of the calls he makes and other "blunders" are similar what Tobi does.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 17:59:33
April 17 2013 17:58 GMT
#52022
On April 18 2013 02:56 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 02:49 TheYango wrote:
On April 18 2013 02:41 Numy wrote:
Predicting picks has more to do with knowing a teams tendencies than just game knowledge.

It's actually really funny watching Chinese ex-pro commentators commentate SEA/Western games. They talk through the draft in such detail, and then suddenly one or both teams totally blindside them with a bad pick, and they get totally confused..


Sigh I wonder if taking Mandarin as an elective is worth it. Not knowing a second language :<.

Anyway yea people must never confuse draft phase as being 100% what is theoretically best. It's always about what the players are more comfortable with.

At the same time, the players should be comfortable in whatever is theoretically best.

On April 18 2013 02:53 evilfatsh1t wrote:
yeah lumi is the only caster ive found that actually bothers to study mechanics and stuff outside his casts. id say hes the most knowledgeable non-pro caster.


Ugh.. I have to disagree with you here personally. While you might be right that he studies stuff and such, i just can't stand him. Some of the calls he makes and other "blunders" are similar what every (Western) caster does.


ヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノDELETE ICEFROGヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(
InfectedGoat
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada444 Posts
April 17 2013 17:58 GMT
#52023
Dota 2 with digital vibrance over 70% is so much more beautiful, you guys should try it.
and i was like BANELINGS x 3
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
April 17 2013 17:59 GMT
#52024
It is very nice though when casters know the teams very well and give some history or tendencies though. It's at least to me more interesting than hearing about why someone should get a BKB or not.
Once you Goblak...
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 17 2013 18:01 GMT
#52025
On April 18 2013 02:59 teapoted wrote:
It is very nice though when casters know the teams very well and give some history or tendencies though. It's at least to me more interesting than hearing about why someone should get a BKB or not.


Yeah but a common side effect of casters "knowing" the teams is that they end up heavily biased one way or the other
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
April 17 2013 18:01 GMT
#52026
On April 18 2013 02:58 InfectedGoat wrote:
Dota 2 with digital vibrance over 70% is so much more beautiful, you guys should try it.

Digintal vibrance?
On the internet if you disagree with or dislike something you're angry and taking it too seriously. == Join TLMafia !
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
April 17 2013 18:03 GMT
#52027
On April 18 2013 03:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 02:59 teapoted wrote:
It is very nice though when casters know the teams very well and give some history or tendencies though. It's at least to me more interesting than hearing about why someone should get a BKB or not.


Yeah but a common side effect of casters "knowing" the teams is that they end up heavily biased one way or the other
Well in some cases sure =P But like Meruna did when she cast. Or Kawa who (although he has a lot to work on) at least researches teams and writes some stuff down coming into matches.
Once you Goblak...
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
April 17 2013 18:05 GMT
#52028
On April 18 2013 03:03 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 03:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
On April 18 2013 02:59 teapoted wrote:
It is very nice though when casters know the teams very well and give some history or tendencies though. It's at least to me more interesting than hearing about why someone should get a BKB or not.


Yeah but a common side effect of casters "knowing" the teams is that they end up heavily biased one way or the other
Well in some cases sure =P But like Meruna did when she cast. Or Kawa who (although he has a lot to work on) at least researches teams and writes some stuff down coming into matches.

The only problem with this is when you are casting 10 matches a day with 2 unique teams each like a tobi would (his team knowledge isn't that bad just from his volume of casting).
ヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノDELETE ICEFROGヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 18:08:42
April 17 2013 18:06 GMT
#52029
Tobi has good team knowledge from casting a lot. I think that point came about from Draskyl not really knowing much about the scene. As he probably casts the least games of all prominent casters that's not all that surprising. (I guess Purge maybe, but Purge is more youtube personality than caster)
Once you Goblak...
InfectedGoat
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada444 Posts
April 17 2013 18:10 GMT
#52030
On April 18 2013 03:01 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 02:58 InfectedGoat wrote:
Dota 2 with digital vibrance over 70% is so much more beautiful, you guys should try it.

Digintal vibrance?

Yeah, it makes all the colors brighter. for nvidia it's in Display --> Adjust color settings --> Digital vibrance.
For radeon I think it's called Saturation though I might be wrong.

I didn't see much of a difference when I played sc2 but it's really awesome on Dota, especially on radiant side
and i was like BANELINGS x 3
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
April 17 2013 18:20 GMT
#52031
On April 18 2013 03:10 InfectedGoat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 03:01 Zealos wrote:
On April 18 2013 02:58 InfectedGoat wrote:
Dota 2 with digital vibrance over 70% is so much more beautiful, you guys should try it.

Digintal vibrance?

Yeah, it makes all the colors brighter. for nvidia it's in Display --> Adjust color settings --> Digital vibrance.
For radeon I think it's called Saturation though I might be wrong.

I didn't see much of a difference when I played sc2 but it's really awesome on Dota, especially on radiant side


Care to take pictures? I can already feel the headache after one game with that.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
April 17 2013 18:40 GMT
#52032
IceFrog's online. Get your gifs ready
"I really like Marauders and Marines." - Flash
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
April 17 2013 18:41 GMT
#52033
On April 18 2013 03:40 duoform wrote:
IceFrog's online. Get your gifs ready

ded gaem volvo incoming, thousands of them
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 17 2013 18:43 GMT
#52034
On April 18 2013 02:58 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 02:56 Numy wrote:
On April 18 2013 02:49 TheYango wrote:
On April 18 2013 02:41 Numy wrote:
Predicting picks has more to do with knowing a teams tendencies than just game knowledge.

It's actually really funny watching Chinese ex-pro commentators commentate SEA/Western games. They talk through the draft in such detail, and then suddenly one or both teams totally blindside them with a bad pick, and they get totally confused..


Sigh I wonder if taking Mandarin as an elective is worth it. Not knowing a second language :<.

Anyway yea people must never confuse draft phase as being 100% what is theoretically best. It's always about what the players are more comfortable with.

At the same time, the players should be comfortable in whatever is theoretically best.


Bare in mind that dota has overlapping heroes so you have to look at what you define as theoretically best first because you can apply that to a real game. It's very hard to say one hero is better than any other in a certain role. Normally when such a thing arises it's perma banned(See Lycan or Nyx). So the question is what happens when the pool gets more muddy. Do you define the best hero for a role based on the tendencies of a certain team or playstyle. What do you do? I don't know the answer but I think if you do know it then you might have some deeper insight into team drafting than others if you can apply that information to the team itself.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
April 17 2013 18:45 GMT
#52035
On April 18 2013 02:53 evilfatsh1t wrote:
yeah lumi is the only caster ive found that actually bothers to study mechanics and stuff outside his casts. id say hes the most knowledgeable non-pro caster.

Really? Maybe some mechanical knowledge, but his actual understanding of the game seems pretty low.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 18:51:51
April 17 2013 18:49 GMT
#52036
There's a team called Only Tidehunter in the jD open.

edit: It's Synd

syndereN Leader
Pillows Player
smulgullig Player
XoYnoZnU Player
YoOjI Player

Live now http://www.joindota.com/en/live/tobiwan
Once you Goblak...
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
April 17 2013 18:52 GMT
#52037
Yeap, Synderen did tweet about it earlier today.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 18:53:50
April 17 2013 18:53 GMT
#52038
Oh interesting.

Synd/smulg/XoY are all legit afaik. If Synd qualifies these days

EDIT: just you wait they are gonna join with some SC2 players to make "Horde Esports".
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
April 17 2013 19:03 GMT
#52039
Any word from Valve if there's gonna be a patch tonight/tomorrow?
super gg
duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
April 17 2013 19:07 GMT
#52040
On April 18 2013 04:03 cecek wrote:
Any word from Valve if there's gonna be a patch tonight/tomorrow?

You expect so from Valve?
But nope, I don't think so. I didn't see anything in dev.dota2 tho.
"I really like Marauders and Marines." - Flash
Prev 1 2600 2601 2602 2603 2604 6534 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 24m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft378
RuFF_SC2 190
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 1861
NaDa 24
ajuk12(nOOB) 14
Icarus 6
Dewaltoss 1
League of Legends
JimRising 714
Counter-Strike
taco 403
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King178
Other Games
summit1g10698
WinterStarcraft455
C9.Mang0404
XaKoH 262
ViBE83
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1254
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH333
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki22
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1177
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
5h 24m
Kung Fu Cup
6h 24m
Replay Cast
19h 24m
KCM Race Survival
1d 5h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d 6h
Cure vs SHIN
herO vs Solar
Percival vs Classic
ByuN vs Rogue
OSC
1d 17h
Replay Cast
1d 19h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
GSL
4 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
4 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Calamity Invitational
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.