General Discussion - Page 2580

On April 13 2013 22:48 Slomo wrote:
BTW: Was there a 2nd episide of that dating show? I know they said something about "next week" on stream, but I was so busy, I must have missed it.

On April 14 2013 03:12 cecek wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

This is the coolest thing I have seen in quite a while! Using Kinect motion capture to animate a Dota 2 character. :D

On April 14 2013 03:34 SpiZe wrote:


This is really fucking sick :D

On April 13 2013 20:00 hydrogg wrote:


Dota doesnt sound like a very good game if people will get bored of it and the meta cant change without patches. Other games I play (Counter Strike 1.6 and Brood War) don't get balance patches and the meta still changes and people still play it.

On April 14 2013 05:57 wherebugsgo wrote:


wat

when was the last time CS 1.6 had a change in gameplay?

On April 14 2013 06:36 Teton wrote:


It's a FPS.

it's way harder to balance a game with 100heroes

On April 14 2013 07:09 Erasme wrote:
hive zvz ?

On April 14 2013 07:07 wherebugsgo wrote:


I was just confused as to how the CS 1.6 meta "still" changes.

BW meta hasn't changed in ages either. Been at least 6 years since the last major change, which was Bisu build PvZ. Only the maps change. (I guess there was that corsair build Jangbi used in OSL vT but...kinda one-off thing really)

dota meta obviously fluctuates a lot because of both balance and content patches, but I know I (and lots of other people) would still play the game forever even if I knew the game would have no new heroes starting tomorrow.

On April 14 2013 07:37 ketomai wrote:


If you think that, you're not looking deep enough. I quit playing/watching much BW when zergs were doing 3 hatch spire into 5 hatch hydra zvp and facing SK terran with mass vessels in the late game zvt. I watch a few games a couple years later and they're doing something like 4 base 7 hatch openings and facing mech transition terrans in the late game. Even before that you could notice tons of nuances in matchups like PvZ where they developed a lot of variations like delayed muta openings or different zealot timings.

I've always thought that Icefrog wants to ultimately:
1) Balance every hero so that they're all viable
2) Have an end result where multiple playstyles are viable
3) => Game is fun, doesn't get stale

Even without the patches though, the metagame does change, just not as quickly (I'm pretty sure Sven, for example, didn't need a patch to come or go).

On April 14 2013 07:33 rabidch wrote:


unfortunately never really took off. one of the later meta changes of bw was mass wraith TvT but it eventually went back to "normalcy"

On April 14 2013 08:11 Shaella wrote:
>implying there's a way to balance every hero so they're all viable

Yeah ok

On April 14 2013 08:39 givemefive wrote:
You haven't been watching very many games then as I've seen Bara (EG&Zenith), Medusa (Some SE Asiea team vs PL in the G(1?)-league), Pugna(Lots of teams), Sniper (NTH), PA (Navi '12)

I think I've even seen WD in a pushing strat but maybe that was an amateur game.
But still, that doesn't mean the heroes are balanced. Just that someone thought they had a utility for 1 strategy.

On April 14 2013 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote:


certainly it's possible. We're not really far from that situation.

There's maybe ~10 heroes, probably less, that I can think of that I have never seen in a pro match in this patch alone. Viable doesn't necessarily mean oft picked.

Look at all the int heroes, for example. There's what, 36?

http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Dota_2_Wiki

Of those 36 heroes, I have seen all of them in competitive play in the last 6 months except for WD and Pugna, and I'm sure that's only because I haven't watched enough games.

Then the agi heroes: NTH has picked Razor. I haven't seen sniper, and I haven't seen dusa. I've seen every one of the other heroes in a competitive match.

And finally, str heroes. I've seen literally all of them except Huskar and bara.

That's 6 heroes out of ~100.

e: forgot, I haven't seen anyone play zeus. 7 heroes.

On April 14 2013 08:46 LeLoup wrote:


Funny enough there was a Pugna pick up pretty recently. He's mainly used in all-in push strats from what I have seen. WD though I haven't seen though if you go through G-1 league you'll probably find him.

Dusa I know has been picked up once or twice, but by lower level asian teams if I am not mistaken, and there have been a few (less than 5) times where we have seen sniper. I know for a fact EG ran him once or twice and it worked out pretty well for them.

Everyone is really viable, but Dota is a game of copycats, and when something works people tend to stick with it. Also consider that in drafting things a lot of the heroes picked up right now don't give away a whole lot when picked (Nyx, Kotl, Gyro, Naix, Puck). They all have pretty good synergy with a lot of heroes and as such they fit into overall strategies a lot easier than the less often picked ones. It's just the nature of the game.