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ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
March 07 2013 07:44 GMT
#46321
Is QB still bugged with illusions?
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
March 07 2013 07:46 GMT
#46322
On March 07 2013 16:00 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 15:42 BurningSera wrote:
Might as well go for a Drum rather than a an early yasha, yasha first on pl is probably a situational purchase where you were planning to do trans+radiance or naked boots radiance but suddenly the game turned bad (oppo party at your lane etc) so you think that you might as well spend that 2k-ish gold for a yasha.

Is about personal playstyle i guess, if i had 2k-ish gold i'd still rather go for a diffu , if it was my greedy day then i'll tp to a safer lane to farm that 3800 (and continue to useless to my team for the next 5-10mins). I really dont expect to have more than 15mins freefarm in pub nowadays, you would be laughing if you had 10mins free farm in the first place because i dont know why my games have become 'crush that safelane carry and we win' from the opponent side

And also, opponent almost always do dual heroes on hardlane vs our safelane nowadays-_- Doesnt help when you expect 99% chance of having bad pub support.

I've really come down on radiance on PL, if you do get it you can farm absurdly fast, but it requires a bit investment towards it, and that 60 damage is no good on your illusions.

I mean, the burn aura is pretty crazy for shoving the lane, as for pub freefarm.. Here's the thing

A lot of pubs have this weird idea where after 15 minutes have passed, they leave lanes completely and start fighting, in that 10 minutes you can totally get Manta/Diffu online and start shoving lanes and farming really hard


'Freefarming on lane' period is different from farming in generally or 'farming after 10-15mins', drum gives you alot stats which is good in helping you farming and you can immediately tp to help team fight when needed. If you went for a yasha for the farming purpose then you might as well get 2x blades of alacrity in your inventory, that movespeed boost is a waste and you would be still fragile to be useful in teamfight.

Like i said it is down to personal preference, yasha is fine on pl (yasha is fine on any agi hero) but you said that yourself it is relying on the next 10mins farming your next items. To me i simply dont like my economy to be screwed if the oppo put mass pressure on the team and force you to come to help, i'd go greedy mode radiance all the way or just team fight pl.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 07 2013 07:47 GMT
#46323
On March 07 2013 16:44 ReignSupreme. wrote:
Is QB still bugged with illusions?

Nope.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 07 2013 07:48 GMT
#46324
On March 07 2013 16:46 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 16:00 Shaella wrote:
On March 07 2013 15:42 BurningSera wrote:
Might as well go for a Drum rather than a an early yasha, yasha first on pl is probably a situational purchase where you were planning to do trans+radiance or naked boots radiance but suddenly the game turned bad (oppo party at your lane etc) so you think that you might as well spend that 2k-ish gold for a yasha.

Is about personal playstyle i guess, if i had 2k-ish gold i'd still rather go for a diffu , if it was my greedy day then i'll tp to a safer lane to farm that 3800 (and continue to useless to my team for the next 5-10mins). I really dont expect to have more than 15mins freefarm in pub nowadays, you would be laughing if you had 10mins free farm in the first place because i dont know why my games have become 'crush that safelane carry and we win' from the opponent side

And also, opponent almost always do dual heroes on hardlane vs our safelane nowadays-_- Doesnt help when you expect 99% chance of having bad pub support.

I've really come down on radiance on PL, if you do get it you can farm absurdly fast, but it requires a bit investment towards it, and that 60 damage is no good on your illusions.

I mean, the burn aura is pretty crazy for shoving the lane, as for pub freefarm.. Here's the thing

A lot of pubs have this weird idea where after 15 minutes have passed, they leave lanes completely and start fighting, in that 10 minutes you can totally get Manta/Diffu online and start shoving lanes and farming really hard


'Freefarming on lane' period is different from farming in generally or 'farming after 10-15mins', drum gives you alot stats which is good in helping you farming and you can immediately tp to help team fight when needed. If you went for a yasha for the farming purpose then you might as well get 2x blades of alacrity in your inventory, that movespeed boost is a waste and you would be still fragile to be useful in teamfight.

Like i said it is down to personal preference, yasha is fine on pl (yasha is fine on any agi hero) but you said that yourself it is relying on the next 10mins farming your next items. To me i simply dont like my economy to be screwed if the oppo put mass pressure on the team and force you to come to help, i'd go greedy mode radiance all the way or just team fight pl.

I think the reason I like the yasha is because it is that halfway between the two. You're more useful in fights than max greed PL, but farm faster than teamfight PL.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 08:01:54
March 07 2013 07:53 GMT
#46325
Yasha imo is worth it if

-The enemy T1 is down
-You don't expect to fight soon
-You have relative freefarm.

The reason is that the extra movement speed will allow you to move significantly faster from a pushed t1 tower lane onto the jungle and farm that. Its situational but I can see it work. It depends on how the game is going, if you feel like you need to fight earlier then drums diffusal seems better.

Small bonus is that you can start dicking people out of the lane with lance(you can do this too with drums)because the ms will allow your illusions to keep up, this allows (controlled) agression(because you can outrun any hero), something which 2 blades of alacrity does not give you.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 07 2013 08:07 GMT
#46326
The thing is i don't think that PL needs to fight early, he wants to go late against 90% of the other carries in the game because he outcarries them. I mean, if the early game is a catastrophe, yeah, you need to get drums, get diffusal, and get in the fight. Other than that i don't see why you wouldn't prefer the farm.

don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
March 07 2013 08:18 GMT
#46327
let's talk about a different hero already
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 08:19:49
March 07 2013 08:19 GMT
#46328
@kipsate, pretty much.

also, that got me thinking...maybe yasha pl is better on radiant side. radiance jungle imba!
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 07 2013 08:21 GMT
#46329
On March 07 2013 17:18 Cool Cat wrote:
let's talk about a different hero already

Yeah. Like tree.
On March 07 2013 17:19 BurningSera wrote:
@kipsate, pretty much.

also, that got me thinking...maybe yasha pl is better on radiant side. radiance jungle imba!

Maybe? I unno.. I think its pretty easy to hit up a camp either side, but i guess radiant side has 3 camps that are easy to hit, and dire only has 2.. Hmm.

The only time I got radiance on PL in a recentish game was dire. And I did get absurdly farmed.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 07 2013 08:22 GMT
#46330
On March 07 2013 17:18 Cool Cat wrote:
let's talk about a different hero already

like treant and how he can be fixed

or offlane spiritbreaker, good idea or not?
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
March 07 2013 08:23 GMT
#46331
On March 07 2013 17:18 Cool Cat wrote:
let's talk about a different hero already

How about jungling with Nature's Prophet. This would greatly benefit you imo.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
March 07 2013 08:26 GMT
#46332
On March 07 2013 17:18 Cool Cat wrote:
let's talk about a different hero already


- Outworld Devourer: Fixed Astral Imprisonment not draining enough mana from enemy heroes.
- Timbersaw: Fixed Whirling Death not doing enough damage against strength heroes.


OD and Timber going mainstream now!
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
March 07 2013 08:27 GMT
#46333
On March 07 2013 17:26 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 17:18 Cool Cat wrote:
let's talk about a different hero already


Show nested quote +
- Outworld Devourer: Fixed Astral Imprisonment not draining enough mana from enemy heroes.
- Timbersaw: Fixed Whirling Death not doing enough damage against strength heroes.


OD and Timber going mainstream now!

oh wow, OD got buffed. Timber buff seems good as well.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 07 2013 08:28 GMT
#46334
On March 07 2013 17:23 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 17:18 Cool Cat wrote:
let's talk about a different hero already

How about jungling with Nature's Prophet. This would greatly benefit you imo.

How to not jungle with NP
never teleport, AFK farm camps.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
March 07 2013 08:38 GMT
#46335
On March 07 2013 17:27 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 17:26 BurningSera wrote:
On March 07 2013 17:18 Cool Cat wrote:
let's talk about a different hero already


- Outworld Devourer: Fixed Astral Imprisonment not draining enough mana from enemy heroes.
- Timbersaw: Fixed Whirling Death not doing enough damage against strength heroes.


OD and Timber going mainstream now!

oh wow, OD got buffed. Timber buff seems good as well.

timber was really dumb. it dealt damage then drained the strength, instead of other way around.
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
March 07 2013 08:42 GMT
#46336
Ars-Art declined the RoX.KIS team invite so they are still at 3 official members and AA is still without a team.

http://gosugamers.net/dota2/news/23064-ars-art-declines-rox-kis
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
March 07 2013 09:07 GMT
#46337
Happy with OD being buffed (or fixed). OD is one of those heroes that I enjoy playing as, especially when my team does not suck. Last time I played OD, I had 19/2/13 at the end (had orchid, force staff, talisman, scepter, treads, and refresher). Would have had more kills but game ended too quickly, I just became too strong.

form the last talkdota, they discussed OD for a bit as well. Wish the hero became more mainstream in pro games, would be nice to see some epic plays.
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
JJoNeEightY
Profile Joined December 2010
United States509 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 09:08:27
March 07 2013 09:07 GMT
#46338
So the weaver in this armageddon game just isn't buying any sort of boots. Ever.

Thoughts/opinions on this? Shukuchi is good and all, but personally I love me some power treads on weaver, or maybe some tranquils sometimes.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
March 07 2013 09:08 GMT
#46339
On March 07 2013 18:07 JJoNeEightY wrote:
So the weaver in this armageddon game just isn't buying any sort of boots. Ever.

Thoughts/opinions on this? Shukuchi is good and all, but personally I love me some power treads on weaver.

boots are for people that have 2 legs
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
March 07 2013 09:13 GMT
#46340
On March 07 2013 17:42 Dubzex wrote:
Ars-Art declined the RoX.KIS team invite so they are still at 3 official members and AA is still without a team.

http://gosugamers.net/dota2/news/23064-ars-art-declines-rox-kis

Aww that's a shame
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