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-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 13:42:45
March 07 2013 13:37 GMT
#46361
On March 07 2013 19:36 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 17:07 Shaella wrote:
The thing is i don't think that PL needs to fight early, he wants to go late against 90% of the other carries in the game because he outcarries them. I mean, if the early game is a catastrophe, yeah, you need to get drums, get diffusal, and get in the fight. Other than that i don't see why you wouldn't prefer the farm.

In pub games, the earlier you contribute, the less likely your team is to throw 4v5 before you're relevant. In this case Drums+Diffusal or Yasha+Diffusal farm fast enough that the lack of midgame control from a Radiance build is undesirable. You're far more likely to lose a game because your team threw before you finished your Radiance than to lose because you got out-carried with Diffusal/Yasha.

Put another way, in pub games you have more control over the outcome of the game if you maximize the amount of time in the game you are relevant. Over the period of time where you are relevant to the game, you have a meaningful impact on the outcome of the game. The longer that is, the more likely you are to win, since you're not banking on your teammates carrying you. A Radiance build might have a good chance of winning when its finished, but it has a long period of time where you have zero impact on the game because you're saving for Radiance and have simply no control over the flow of the game.


*nods* I usually go Diffusal into Yasha -> Manta myself when I end up on PL but recently I tried a couple of Radiance games.

Team always seems to manage to throw it before I can get involved. -_-
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
March 07 2013 14:05 GMT
#46362
I just max dopplewalk and jux (only 1 in lance) and then rush manta style and bottle and wait for an illusion rune. screw winning. make as many PLs as you can.
w.s
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden850 Posts
March 07 2013 14:05 GMT
#46363
Watching Lodas stream and it's kind of funny.. He will go alone into the enemies and once he dies he will blame his teammates and nothing that happens negatively is ever his fault, he just puts the blame on his teammates the whole time
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
March 07 2013 14:11 GMT
#46364
On March 07 2013 23:05 PrinceXizor wrote:
I just max dopplewalk and jux (only 1 in lance) and then rush manta style and bottle and wait for an illusion rune. screw winning. make as many PLs as you can.


This one time I was playing Chaos Knight.

Maxed Phantasm. Plus Manta. Plus picked up an Illusion rune.

Plus we had a Naga Siren on our team with a Manta.


25 v 5 game, anyone?
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
March 07 2013 14:12 GMT
#46365
CK is the best coz reality rift pulls the illusions in, it's crazy, he one shots everything
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
March 07 2013 14:15 GMT
#46366
On March 07 2013 23:12 Qbek wrote:
CK is the best coz reality rift pulls the illusions in, it's crazy, he one shots everything

yeah once you hit 16 manta + phantasm = perfect ring trap every reality rift.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
March 07 2013 14:23 GMT
#46367
On March 07 2013 23:15 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 23:12 Qbek wrote:
CK is the best coz reality rift pulls the illusions in, it's crazy, he one shots everything

yeah once you hit 16 manta + phantasm = perfect ring trap every reality rift.


Absolutely love playing CK myself. Illusion ability, plus in-built crit plus stun plus that reality rift.

Especially since I caught onto the S&Y broken down into halberd/manta build. Such an elegant item build up.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
March 07 2013 14:32 GMT
#46368
On March 07 2013 23:05 MyXoMoPBL wrote:
Watching Lodas stream and it's kind of funny.. He will go alone into the enemies and once he dies he will blame his teammates and nothing that happens negatively is ever his fault, he just puts the blame on his teammates the whole time


While obviously he shouldnt be doing that, in the end you have to realize that he'd be used to lots of communication and playing with people on the same wave length who would know to follow him into those types of situations to ensure a kill
w.s
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden850 Posts
March 07 2013 14:34 GMT
#46369
On March 07 2013 23:32 ReignSupreme. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 23:05 MyXoMoPBL wrote:
Watching Lodas stream and it's kind of funny.. He will go alone into the enemies and once he dies he will blame his teammates and nothing that happens negatively is ever his fault, he just puts the blame on his teammates the whole time


While obviously he shouldnt be doing that, in the end you have to realize that he'd be used to lots of communication and playing with people on the same wave length who would know to follow him into those types of situations to ensure a kill


He's playing with his own stack, that's not much of an excuse
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
March 07 2013 14:51 GMT
#46370
Fuck you.
Phantom Lancer Phantom Lancer Yasha Diffu Yasha Phantom Lancer Drums Phantom Lancer Yasha Phantom Lancer Diffu Drums Phantom Lancer Radiance Phantom Lancer Diffu Phantom Lancer Yasha Manta Phantom Lancer Heart Diffu Phantom Lancer Phantom Lancer Yasha Phantom Lancer Drums Phantom Lancer Yasha Phantom Lancer Diffu Phantom Lancer

Let's talk about a real hero: PHANTOM ASSASSIN
I'm not proud of it, but I have been playing her way more than I should.
You remember the Battlefury build people were recommending? Total Bollocks.
Maelstrom + OoV + Vlads works much better.
For start I buy stout, RoP, branch, tango. Safelane of course. Get a basilius from sideshop asap.
+6 damage from basi helps with PA's low damage at lvl 1-3.
Get both 1 level in phantom strike and blur by lvl 4, they're both incredibly useful with just 1 point.
After lvl 7, when you obviously have stifling dagger maxed(it's the most important skill), gauge if you need a couple of points in stats, or maybe a bracer/drums, since Mortred has very low hp.

Battlefury is crap on her because she is an ASSASSIN. You know the other assassins in game?
Templar Assassin, Stealth Assassin(Riki), Nyx Assassin.
They are all very good at doing single target damage in some form or another. So is Mortred, so scratch Battlefury. Maelstrom does the same, but upgrades into an even better item, Mjollnir.
The 150% mana regen on battlefury is a waste, so is the 6 hp regen since Mortred does extremely well with lifesteal.
While the +65 damage and the cleave are not bad, they do not justify getting Battlefury over Maelstrom.
If your aim was to afk farm forever, you could have gotten another hero like skeleking or naix, who do that better. Mortred is an ASSASSIN, which means you pick her to KILL PEOPLE, not creeps.
Maelstrom/Mjollnir increases her single target damage with random lightnings and huge attackspeed, which in the end does much more than measly 65 damage.
Other strong points are smoother build up of Vlads/Maelstrom compared to Battlefury/Morbid Mask.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 14:53:53
March 07 2013 14:53 GMT
#46371
seriously what the fuck people i woke up to almost 10 new pages and thought shikyo was back and I had some fun reading this morning and it turns out you fuckwads were talking about pl builds ALL NIGHT.



come'on.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
March 07 2013 14:55 GMT
#46372
On March 07 2013 22:35 Dattish wrote:
He's streaming SC2 now :<


no vods too

damnit nani T_T
ffxiv enjoyer
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
March 07 2013 14:56 GMT
#46373
I know nani was a war3 player but did he ever play dota?
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
March 07 2013 15:03 GMT
#46374
you should get a maelstorm on pa every game just because how tough the new lighting animation is.
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
March 07 2013 15:13 GMT
#46375
Mirana ART

[image loading]
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
March 07 2013 15:14 GMT
#46376
Thats enough Gosi.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
March 07 2013 15:15 GMT
#46377
Can we please stop with the fury porn?
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
March 07 2013 15:17 GMT
#46378
This tiger had a really bad day
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
March 07 2013 15:17 GMT
#46379
gosi is a hero. should put all this art in a blog so I can 5 star it tho.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
March 07 2013 15:25 GMT
#46380
On March 08 2013 00:17 PassiveAce wrote:
gosi is a hero. should put all this art in a blog so I can 5 star it tho.

I will do that later when I have a gallery of ART.
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
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