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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-16 19:25:27
February 16 2013 19:22 GMT
#43541
On February 17 2013 04:20 TheKefka wrote:
like the sub 40% brood winrate

nah that actually makes sense. given how reliant on intelligent teamwork broods playstyle is.

It's depressing as hell that the most popular build for CM (around 3 months ago) was stats aura.
Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
February 16 2013 19:24 GMT
#43542
On February 17 2013 04:20 TheKefka wrote:
like the sub 40% brood winrate


Brood has always had a win rate around 40%
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-16 19:27:46
February 16 2013 19:27 GMT
#43543
On February 17 2013 04:20 TheYango wrote:
Well, last month 1/4/4/1 Skeleton King had the highest winrate among the 10 most popular SK builds.

Afk jungle SK best SK.
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Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
February 16 2013 19:33 GMT
#43544
How does the cooldown on Essence Shift even works? At lvl 3 you would need more than 466 IAS so that you attack faster than the cooldown, but obviously you can't have more than 400 IAS.
And even at lvl 1 you would need 325 IAS, which also too high to ever have any impact in a game.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
February 16 2013 19:34 GMT
#43545
I think it's applied before the attack so you can cancel it and have double the effect without the cd
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
February 16 2013 19:34 GMT
#43546
yeah iv always been confused by that, it seems like you get full benefit at level one.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
February 16 2013 19:35 GMT
#43547
On February 17 2013 04:34 Qbek wrote:
I think it's applied before the attack so you can cancel it and have double the effect without the cd


But why does it scales than?
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
February 16 2013 19:41 GMT
#43548
On February 17 2013 04:35 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 04:34 Qbek wrote:
I think it's applied before the attack so you can cancel it and have double the effect without the cd


But why does it scales than?

Coz frog iz cray
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Gheizen64
Profile Joined June 2010
Italy2077 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-16 19:56:28
February 16 2013 19:52 GMT
#43549
On February 17 2013 04:41 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 04:35 Yoshi- wrote:
On February 17 2013 04:34 Qbek wrote:
I think it's applied before the attack so you can cancel it and have double the effect without the cd


But why does it scales than?

Coz frog iz cray


Because Icefraud.

The skill is terrible and should be remade imho. A skill that promote you attacking a still hero for 4+ seconds. Please wtf.

EDIT: twitch isn't working for me

EDIT2: now it work again zzz
Seen as G.ZZZ [COPPER SCUM] on Steam
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
February 16 2013 21:03 GMT
#43550
On February 17 2013 04:05 Yoshi- wrote:
[image loading]

That's kinda sad.


Don't expect it to change, Totalbiscuit just posted a video of him as slark going for max pounce first build too. :p
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
February 16 2013 21:08 GMT
#43551
wtf the new minigame thing told me that power treads arnt made out of boots gloves and robe of the magi.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
February 16 2013 21:09 GMT
#43552
On February 17 2013 06:03 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 04:05 Yoshi- wrote:
[image loading]

That's kinda sad.


Don't expect it to change, Totalbiscuit just posted a video of him as slark going for max pounce first build too. :p


Its not about maxing pounce LOL, its about having no points in dark pact. (Whether one should max dp or pounce first depends on the matchup, i prefer pounce in the most cases)
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
February 16 2013 21:11 GMT
#43553
On February 17 2013 06:09 gaymon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 06:03 Noocta wrote:
On February 17 2013 04:05 Yoshi- wrote:
[image loading]

That's kinda sad.


Don't expect it to change, Totalbiscuit just posted a video of him as slark going for max pounce first build too. :p


Its not about maxing pounce LOL, its about having no points in dark pact. (Whether one should max dp or pounce first depends on the matchup, i prefer pounce in the most cases)


Well, maxing pounce doesn't really make sense either, but way better than taking multiple levels of Shift
gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-16 21:13:54
February 16 2013 21:13 GMT
#43554
On February 17 2013 06:11 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 06:09 gaymon wrote:
On February 17 2013 06:03 Noocta wrote:
On February 17 2013 04:05 Yoshi- wrote:
[image loading]

That's kinda sad.


Don't expect it to change, Totalbiscuit just posted a video of him as slark going for max pounce first build too. :p


Its not about maxing pounce LOL, its about having no points in dark pact. (Whether one should max dp or pounce first depends on the matchup, i prefer pounce in the most cases)


Well, maxing pounce doesn't really make sense either, but way better than taking multiple levels of Shift


Why would maxing pounce not make sense ? Mobility is king and the cd reduction is pretty huge which allows you to kill people and still escape with pounce (not possible with a 20 seconds cd).
edit: not to ignore the fact that in most cases, you wont have enough RAW HP to use dp level 4 on lvl 7 in most cases
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
February 16 2013 21:18 GMT
#43555
On February 17 2013 06:13 gaymon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 06:11 Yoshi- wrote:
On February 17 2013 06:09 gaymon wrote:
On February 17 2013 06:03 Noocta wrote:
On February 17 2013 04:05 Yoshi- wrote:
[image loading]

That's kinda sad.


Don't expect it to change, Totalbiscuit just posted a video of him as slark going for max pounce first build too. :p


Its not about maxing pounce LOL, its about having no points in dark pact. (Whether one should max dp or pounce first depends on the matchup, i prefer pounce in the most cases)


Well, maxing pounce doesn't really make sense either, but way better than taking multiple levels of Shift


Why would maxing pounce not make sense ? Mobility is king and the cd reduction is pretty huge which allows you to kill people and still escape with pounce (not possible with a 20 seconds cd).
edit: not to ignore the fact that in most cases, you wont have enough RAW HP to use dp level 4 on lvl 7 in most cases

I've never been in a position before mid game that i need to pounce quicker than the lvl 1 CD
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
February 16 2013 21:25 GMT
#43556
It's not just about the CD, it's also about pounce+dark pact being all the burst damage you have~
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
February 16 2013 21:27 GMT
#43557
I don't like not maxing Pact early on him.
I actually didn't notice the picture showed not pact point until lvl 10 lol.
But most people read that shit, see that it damage yourself and skip it.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Gheizen64
Profile Joined June 2010
Italy2077 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-16 21:29:51
February 16 2013 21:27 GMT
#43558
I prefer max pounce before pact myself. The self damage is a bitch before u get some hp. It's useful as a debuffer, but i prefer having an 8 cd leap that deal consistent damage itself.
Seen as G.ZZZ [COPPER SCUM] on Steam
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 16 2013 21:28 GMT
#43559
On February 17 2013 06:13 gaymon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 06:11 Yoshi- wrote:
On February 17 2013 06:09 gaymon wrote:
On February 17 2013 06:03 Noocta wrote:
On February 17 2013 04:05 Yoshi- wrote:
[image loading]

That's kinda sad.


Don't expect it to change, Totalbiscuit just posted a video of him as slark going for max pounce first build too. :p


Its not about maxing pounce LOL, its about having no points in dark pact. (Whether one should max dp or pounce first depends on the matchup, i prefer pounce in the most cases)


Well, maxing pounce doesn't really make sense either, but way better than taking multiple levels of Shift


Why would maxing pounce not make sense ? Mobility is king and the cd reduction is pretty huge which allows you to kill people and still escape with pounce (not possible with a 20 seconds cd).
edit: not to ignore the fact that in most cases, you wont have enough RAW HP to use dp level 4 on lvl 7 in most cases


It's mainly about the ability to farm jungle out of vision. Max pact first means you can farm really fast and be a threat just based on them not knowing where they are.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-16 21:32:09
February 16 2013 21:31 GMT
#43560
pounce is your big nuke in lane, its a pretty big deal if you dont max it with a lane partner
as long as you max the two actives first, dont forget dotabuff records a lot of games with lower lvl players
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