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On February 12 2013 04:50 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 04:38 SupLilSon wrote:On February 12 2013 04:01 Comeh wrote:On February 12 2013 04:00 Talron wrote:
ChuaN mentioned on his stream, that iG will be eventually playing Gyo in the near future. This is blasphemy! Its supposed to go the other way around! Doesn't necessarily mean we will see the Chinese utilize Gyro in the same fashion as Western teams. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we've seen in the past Chinese teams take heroes and put them in innovative roles/positions. We've already seen gyro in the west as a 4 slot support, a hard carry, and a solo mid role. Only way we haven't seen him is as an offlane hero, which I'm kind of doubting China will try.
Off-lane gyro has already been done.
Granted they knew it'd be against a solo dark seer.
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Banana was already playing 4th pos roaming Gyro in China months ago anyway, nth clearly stealing from him =p
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On February 12 2013 04:52 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 04:50 Comeh wrote:On February 12 2013 04:38 SupLilSon wrote:On February 12 2013 04:01 Comeh wrote:On February 12 2013 04:00 Talron wrote:
ChuaN mentioned on his stream, that iG will be eventually playing Gyo in the near future. This is blasphemy! Its supposed to go the other way around! Doesn't necessarily mean we will see the Chinese utilize Gyro in the same fashion as Western teams. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we've seen in the past Chinese teams take heroes and put them in innovative roles/positions. We've already seen gyro in the west as a 4 slot support, a hard carry, and a solo mid role. Only way we haven't seen him is as an offlane hero, which I'm kind of doubting China will try. Off-lane gyro has already been done. Granted they knew it'd be against a solo dark seer.
iceiceice ran offlane gyro in SEA league against a solo tide I think in the game i watched and I watched him run it a lot on his stream as well, so it seems like gyro can be run wherever you feel like it.
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Damn o.o I didn't realize Gyro was so versatile, I guess I'm just used to seeing him as a carry. Can't wait for G-League....................... AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
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On February 12 2013 01:31 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 01:26 konadora wrote:On February 12 2013 01:21 Daray wrote:On February 12 2013 01:15 Asha` wrote:
please tell me someone else was watching the match notail just played rofl Yep, that arrow on the PA who tried to go backdoor the ancient was one of the funniest dota moments i've ever seen  D: i missed it vod finally extended lol http://www.twitch.tv/fnaticn0tail/b/366318079Jump to about 2 hours 19 and it gets pretty silly after that =)
Haha that was insane.
PotM being clutch.
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On February 12 2013 04:57 SupLilSon wrote:
Damn o.o I didn't realize Gyro was so versatile, I guess I'm just used to seeing him as a carry. Can't wait for G-League....................... AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
He does a billion damage with no item with rocket early. Then he does a billion damage with ulti mid game. Then he does a billion damage lategame with items.
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On February 12 2013 05:01 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 04:57 SupLilSon wrote:
Damn o.o I didn't realize Gyro was so versatile, I guess I'm just used to seeing him as a carry. Can't wait for G-League....................... AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH He does a billion damage with no item with rocket early. Then he does a billion damage with ulti mid game. Then he does a billion damage lategame with items.
rocket barrage only deals a billion damage if your opponent is stupid enough to be the only thing next to you. his ult is easiest dodgable unless ppl are held in place by something else.
flak cannon is about his only good reliable skill
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On February 12 2013 04:02 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 04:01 Comeh wrote:On February 12 2013 04:00 Talron wrote:
ChuaN mentioned on his stream, that iG will be eventually playing Gyo in the near future. This is blasphemy! Its supposed to go the other way around! The West can get lucky every now and then...
It's not exactly a secret that Chinese play adapts and refines styles of play from other parts of the world.
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I'm srsly considering starting an only techies acc when they finally import it.
Oh boy!
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On February 12 2013 05:08 aintz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 05:01 Numy wrote:On February 12 2013 04:57 SupLilSon wrote:
Damn o.o I didn't realize Gyro was so versatile, I guess I'm just used to seeing him as a carry. Can't wait for G-League....................... AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH He does a billion damage with no item with rocket early. Then he does a billion damage with ulti mid game. Then he does a billion damage lategame with items. rocket barrage only deals a billion damage if your opponent is stupid enough to be the only thing next to you. his ult is easiest dodgable unless ppl are held in place by something else. flak cannon is about his only good reliable skill
Unless, you know, there is any kind of stun or slow at all.
But who drafts teams with stuns or slows these days!
On February 12 2013 05:09 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 04:02 Firebolt145 wrote:On February 12 2013 04:01 Comeh wrote:On February 12 2013 04:00 Talron wrote:
ChuaN mentioned on his stream, that iG will be eventually playing Gyo in the near future. This is blasphemy! Its supposed to go the other way around! The West can get lucky every now and then... It's not exactly a secret that Chinese play adapts and refines styles of play from other parts of the world.
Okay, that is a little bit far fetched. Gyro should really be credited to the West, whether China uses him or not.
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How good is 5v5 all mid Only Techies?
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On February 12 2013 05:11 Steveling wrote:
I'm srsly considering starting an only techies acc when they finally import it.
Oh boy!
Can't wait to pull out the ole' inconspicuous GG branch on the ground bait. "Oh wow! Look some dumbass left his branch on the ground!" "ITS A TRAP!!!!" BOOM "FUCK TECHIEZZZZZZZZZZZ"
Doubt it will work  Dota pubs aint as casual as they used to be...
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Well, Calldown has a ridiculously low CD, you can even use it just to defend against bigger creepwaves. Similar to a level16 QoP with Aghs.
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On February 12 2013 05:13 Comeh wrote:
Okay, that is a little bit far fetched. Gyro should really be credited to the West, whether China uses him or not.
Just like Dragon Knight is properly credited to SEA even though he was huge in Chinese DotA for the better part of a year.
Again, it's not exactly a secret that China takes elements of play from other parts of the world. What's rarer in China than the West is a wholesale upheaval of playstyle based on goings-on elsewhere, similar to what happened in the West after G-1 finals. You could call it being adaptive, or you could call it being obstinate.
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On February 12 2013 05:17 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 05:13 Comeh wrote:
Okay, that is a little bit far fetched. Gyro should really be credited to the West, whether China uses him or not. Just like Dragon Knight is properly credited to SEA even though he was huge in Chinese DotA for the better part of a year. Again, it's not exactly a secret that China takes elements of play from other parts of the world. What's rarer in China than the West is a wholesale upheaval of playstyle based on goings-on elsewhere, similar to what happened in the West after G-1 finals.
I'm not doubting that the West borrows heavily from China. They do. However, since Gleague has ended, the West still develops - it hasn't been completely stagnant since the break. Gyro is one of those changes, and he's pretty independent from China.
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So I started playing dota yesterday.
Spend most of the day playing supports. I have marginal success as far as supports go (2-4-8 kind of games), but lose most of the games. Next game someone slams sven (the guy I was going to try next) so I say "fuck it" and random slark. End up going 22-2-15. The game after I random riki and go 21-1-5 (the 1 came when I tower dove on a full health drow/luna/void to see if I could. Got 2 of them.)
Why are these assassin heroes in the game? I'm sure my opponents weren't having fun, and it was so easy it was hardly fun for me. Even if my opponents were doing the right things with wards and gems, it really doesn't fix much. I would be completely stonewalled (not fun) and my opponents are forced into defensive actions akin to busy work. I just don't understand the point of slark/riki/bh from a design perspective.
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On February 12 2013 04:38 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 01:31 Asha` wrote:On February 12 2013 01:26 konadora wrote:On February 12 2013 01:21 Daray wrote:On February 12 2013 01:15 Asha` wrote:
please tell me someone else was watching the match notail just played rofl Yep, that arrow on the PA who tried to go backdoor the ancient was one of the funniest dota moments i've ever seen D: i missed it vod finally extended lol http://www.twitch.tv/fnaticn0tail/b/366318079Jump to about 2 hours 19 and it gets pretty silly after that =) what the fuck looooooooooool this PA so hardcore throws DEM ARROWS
ahhahhahaha wtf!!!!! best throw LOL
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On February 12 2013 05:19 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 05:17 TheYango wrote:On February 12 2013 05:13 Comeh wrote:
Okay, that is a little bit far fetched. Gyro should really be credited to the West, whether China uses him or not. Just like Dragon Knight is properly credited to SEA even though he was huge in Chinese DotA for the better part of a year. Again, it's not exactly a secret that China takes elements of play from other parts of the world. What's rarer in China than the West is a wholesale upheaval of playstyle based on goings-on elsewhere, similar to what happened in the West after G-1 finals. I'm not doubting that the West borrows heavily from China. They do. However, since Gleague has ended, the West still develops - it hasn't been completely stagnant since the break. Gyro is one of those changes, and he's pretty independent from China.
I feel like we're not on the same page because I never contested that point.
Nobody's saying that Western DotA doesn't develop without Chinese DotA.
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On February 12 2013 05:20 hacklebeast wrote:
So I started playing dota yesterday.
Spend most of the day playing supports. I have marginal success as far as supports go (2-4-8 kind of games), but lose most of the games. Next game someone slams sven (the guy I was going to try next) so I say "fuck it" and random slark. End up going 22-2-15. The game after I random riki and go 21-1-5 (the 1 came when I tower dove on a full health drow/luna/void to see if I could. Got 2 of them.)
Why are these assassin heroes in the game? I'm sure my opponents weren't having fun, and it was so easy it was hardly fun for me. Even if my opponents were doing the right things with wards and gems, it really doesn't fix much. I would be completely stonewalled (not fun) and my opponents are forced into defensive actions akin to busy work. I just don't understand the point of slark/riki/bh from a design perspective.
not fun- slark riki bh
heh
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On February 12 2013 05:20 hacklebeast wrote:
So I started playing dota yesterday.
Spend most of the day playing supports. I have marginal success as far as supports go (2-4-8 kind of games), but lose most of the games. Next game someone slams sven (the guy I was going to try next) so I say "fuck it" and random slark. End up going 22-2-15. The game after I random riki and go 21-1-5 (the 1 came when I tower dove on a full health drow/luna/void to see if I could. Got 2 of them.)
Why are these assassin heroes in the game? I'm sure my opponents weren't having fun, and it was so easy it was hardly fun for me. Even if my opponents were doing the right things with wards and gems, it really doesn't fix much. I would be completely stonewalled (not fun) and my opponents are forced into defensive actions akin to busy work. I just don't understand the point of slark/riki/bh from a design perspective.
The design behind slark/riki is that they are crap and don't work as good when the game is filled "more advanced" people.
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