General Discussion - Page 2083

On February 04 2013 23:20 Andr3 wrote:
I will never say it straight-up crushes kotl PL because it doesn't, as you said it depends a lot on both sides...especially positioning.

But it's one of the rare heroes who can do a lot vs PL/kotl in the laning stage as well as the endgame.

On February 04 2013 23:34 Arcadia92 wrote:


I was just recalling a couple of league games that I specced 2 or 3 days ago with Gyro trilane against PL/KotL.

First game the Gyro/Veno/Lesh tri came out slightly ahead against the PL/Kotl/Something. They had more kills and Gyro had more CS I believe.

Second game the Gyro/CM/Something lane got absolutely destroyed by PL/KotL and a last pick ES. The KotL/ES combo was just too strong and completely locked down the aggressive trilane.

Just FYI, I agree with you in that it does work but depends on players and line-up. Also this isn't pro standard but players are kind of decent with 2200-2300 rating.

I still believe that Wisp/Tiny crushes any PL turtle strat so hard.

On February 04 2013 23:41 Sephyr wrote:


Ain't gunna sit here all day arguing if it works or not. Since you're talking about pub then anything is possible. Every one knows that.

Also I don't disagree that Wisp/Tiny smashes KoTL/PL, but we were strictly talking about gyro+1 vs KoTL/PL.

On February 04 2013 23:43 Arcadia92 wrote:


I wasn't even talking to you lol, just informing Andr3 what I've seen. And its not pubs, read my post, I think I mentioned its league CM bro.

gyro+1 vs KoTL/PL <- when did people have this kind of match up in CM?

On February 05 2013 00:02 Sephyr wrote:


Sorry got confused with your names. Well yeah if it's a tri against tri the effectiveness of Kotl/PL/whatever goes down against an aggressive tri because it they're too busy dealing with constant aggression.

You're kinda straying from the initial discussion but okay?.No one ever brought up when it was used in CM, bro.

On February 05 2013 00:09 Mandini wrote:
kotl/pl/es is an incredibly annoying lane

On February 04 2013 23:23 Gheizen64 wrote:
Tranquil is an item that need to be nerfed imho, they make some lane matchup stupid as they completely deny minor form of harass. No items in the game can do that for only around 500 gold. RoH was the nearest thing before, and you'd see it only on a few carries that went for early bfury. HoiW could do about the same in case you went for HotD, but that too has been overshadowed by tranquils.
The thing i like less is the fact that tranquil "should" be cheap boots for supports, but they are the most useful on carries that would otherwise be harassed by ranged supports, thus negating most harass. Imho they need some sort of rework because as they are now they're boring and remove a good part of lane interaction early on.
What support really need are a sort of hp buffer and an high out of combat movement speed, to make out of the time lost roaming. Something like current tranquils, but without RoR and the rejuvenation active, and with a Cloak in it instead. Lose the bonuses at 5 or 6 damage instance, et voilà, you get an hp buffer type of boots that aren't good for carries (because treads give a similar hp buffer but with +30 ias, significant for carries, not as much for supports).

On February 05 2013 00:09 Mandini wrote:
kotl/pl/es is an incredibly annoying lane

On February 05 2013 01:11 Talron wrote:
Not regarding the tranquils discussion, but just putting out some other stuff here.

So CLG might really just be nth's sponsor, judging from Sing's stream [scimming against nth atm]

Basicly nth was waiting for Envy to join the lobby and Akke offered to start the draft already, since they've been waiting for such a long time already. When he took the captainslot the teamname was also change to CLG [with logo and all that stuff]. Then they were saying some stuff about "Why put CLG there? Everyone will know!" and are playing with the logo now regardless. Either they are just trolling [Akke was on CLG before, so that's why he was able to enable the teamname & logo etc.] or they will really get picked up by CLG, which also would make sense.

Also all the arguments brought up in the past:

"CLG is sponsored by own3d and AdmiralBulldog and Loda already switched to Twitch earlier"
-> Just like joinDOTA, I'm pretty sure that CLG were aware of own3d's situation and might have already suggested to switch to twitch. They easily could, as they weren't under any contract officially at that time I assume.

Envy saying: "We'll be moving to a teamhouse in early 2013"
-> CLG had a teamhouse for their EU team, which signed with EG around a month ago. So that teamhouse is more or less empty now.

Don't know, but it kinda makes sense in my head.

On February 05 2013 01:11 Qbek wrote:
Maybe make the active cost a noticeable amount of mana, like 60