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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
February 02 2013 02:08 GMT
#41301
FYI tobi responded about the whole versuta thing:
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/17pigt/tobiwan_is_being_ddosed_by_angry_russians/c87tbk3

Sounds...confusing o.o
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Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
February 02 2013 02:16 GMT
#41302
is DOTA 2 down? cant find games
Mew Mew Pew Pew
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
February 02 2013 02:42 GMT
#41303
On February 02 2013 09:07 FoxerGames wrote:
Dota have wasted so much of my life. I am a grown man of 27 years old and I've grown up with Anime and Dota 1 etc...

Ever since I played 700 hours of Pokemon Blue (and what a waste it was xD~), I've always wanted a real time battle with Pokemon. Dota have been the closest thing possible that comes to mind. 4 abilities etc..

The strategy is mind blowing and coming up with starts and combos have never been so fun.

I hardly even work anymore (yet I still make quite a decent amount of cash for doing nothing like 6 figures) yet all that time at home is spent playing dota..

People can tell me to get a life, but I'm 27 years old man, I've already done with clubbing/pubbing, fucked a lot of hot girls, and i'm done with it because I know when I'm 40 I be just too old to keep it up (unless I'm a millionaire/billionaire). DotA will in my mind remain as a soul integral in my heart. The emotions and struggles I've been thru w

What a bro
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
February 02 2013 02:50 GMT
#41304
holy fuck i seriously cannot judge pudge hooks in dota 2 to save my life
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
February 02 2013 04:08 GMT
#41305
On February 02 2013 11:50 FinestHour wrote:
holy fuck i seriously cannot judge pudge hooks in dota 2 to save my life

My first game of pudge after 90813082019 games was actually one of my best games.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
February 02 2013 04:44 GMT
#41306
dubzex you sure made me work hard to win that game
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
February 02 2013 05:10 GMT
#41307
On February 02 2013 11:08 Comeh wrote:
FYI tobi responded about the whole versuta thing:
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/17pigt/tobiwan_is_being_ddosed_by_angry_russians/c87tbk3

Sounds...confusing o.o

Sounds so... bullshit and hypocrite, imo.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/Q1jSb9X.jpg (c) Shiro; http://i.imgur.com/lSDLLKb.png (c) drav
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
February 02 2013 05:59 GMT
#41308
It's been months since I've played pudge. I used to be good at him... now I'm just scared to see what the sad state my pudge play has devolved to...
Dota 3hard5me
Elasticity
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
3420 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-02 06:04:17
February 02 2013 06:00 GMT
#41309
http://twitch.tv/flashesports

Zenith playing ^^ featuring necrolyte and storm

On February 02 2013 14:59 Nub4ever wrote:
It's been months since I've played pudge. I used to be good at him... now I'm just scared to see what the sad state my pudge play has devolved to...


you used to be good at something?

post under me: facepalm
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
February 02 2013 06:02 GMT
#41310
On February 01 2013 19:28 TheKefka wrote:
Seems to me that the rating becomes stable once you played enough games with something.
My best hero according to dota is riki which I played 5 games with and second best is panda which I played 60 games with lol

What do you mean panda? In LoL there is only Mangix.
Totally out of context reference, shoot me please.


I have no opinion about Tobiwan/Versuta thing, as I completely missed the tournament. Why can't it be TI3 already?
On a sidenote, in the Tobi-thing on reddit he mentioned russia and ukraine are our friends. I certainly tend to think everyone in ukraine is a happy well mannered person like White-Ra and Dimaga. >.>
What is wrong with me.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
February 02 2013 06:05 GMT
#41311
On February 02 2013 14:10 dfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 11:08 Comeh wrote:
FYI tobi responded about the whole versuta thing:
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/17pigt/tobiwan_is_being_ddosed_by_angry_russians/c87tbk3

Sounds...confusing o.o

Sounds so... bullshit and hypocrite, imo.


What do you mean? If going to make a comment such as this, at least follow through with an explanation of why you feel this way.
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-02 06:52:33
February 02 2013 06:34 GMT
#41312
On February 02 2013 15:05 Nilrem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 14:10 dfs wrote:
On February 02 2013 11:08 Comeh wrote:
FYI tobi responded about the whole versuta thing:
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/17pigt/tobiwan_is_being_ddosed_by_angry_russians/c87tbk3

Sounds...confusing o.o

Sounds so... bullshit and hypocrite, imo.


What do you mean? If going to make a comment such as this, at least follow through with an explanation of why you feel this way.

I short, The Defense rules allow other streams freely, it has nothing to do with that Versuta did before anymore (restreaming on twitch when owned was still alive was a violation of the rules), the "spilled hatred" was reaction of immature audience after the closure of the stream and was not someone's order.
The guy was restreaming a lot of stuff for a log time already, had good numbers of viewers, tried to become official caster for a lot of tournaments. Everyone ignored him for all this time untill now. And his stream got shut down only because Tobi felt like it, based of an announcement.
"In my opinion".
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/Q1jSb9X.jpg (c) Shiro; http://i.imgur.com/lSDLLKb.png (c) drav
hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
February 02 2013 06:58 GMT
#41313
On February 02 2013 08:15 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 08:12 Firebolt145 wrote:
Liquid use Visage a lot, Empire use Clinkz, just 2 examples I can think off the top of my head that have made it to competitive games. Obviously dunno what else they do in scrims.

Clinkz has been used for a long time by europe so empire using them isn't exactly special. ^black being known for it is proof of that. Visage being used correctly is nice to see i agree, but two heroes on two teams isn't an attempt to alter the meta, it's just picking 1 different hero. you can pick kotl undying or visage to help control a tri lane situation it doesn't change your strategy. just your choice.

Pinoy and to a less er extend chinese dota is known for using new things in tournaments pretty quickly, there is a reason that the meta stagnates when the west gets the ability to control it.

EDIT: and it has alot less to do with a lack of creativity, but more to do with the high living costs of being in the west, why risk trying something new when the money from placing becomes almost necessary.



the reason why chinese dota looks more innovative is not because they try crazy stuff, but because in the western scene we are able to follow the trends more closely. we can see every adjustment teams make because there are games every day. but with everything you see every day, change is hard to notice.
in chinese dota we only see them play every 6 weeks or so and everything they have developed within this time will show at once.
Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
February 02 2013 07:02 GMT
#41314
On February 02 2013 15:58 hfglgg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 08:15 PrinceXizor wrote:
On February 02 2013 08:12 Firebolt145 wrote:
Liquid use Visage a lot, Empire use Clinkz, just 2 examples I can think off the top of my head that have made it to competitive games. Obviously dunno what else they do in scrims.

Clinkz has been used for a long time by europe so empire using them isn't exactly special. ^black being known for it is proof of that. Visage being used correctly is nice to see i agree, but two heroes on two teams isn't an attempt to alter the meta, it's just picking 1 different hero. you can pick kotl undying or visage to help control a tri lane situation it doesn't change your strategy. just your choice.

Pinoy and to a less er extend chinese dota is known for using new things in tournaments pretty quickly, there is a reason that the meta stagnates when the west gets the ability to control it.

EDIT: and it has alot less to do with a lack of creativity, but more to do with the high living costs of being in the west, why risk trying something new when the money from placing becomes almost necessary.



the reason why chinese dota looks more innovative is not because they try crazy stuff, but because in the western scene we are able to follow the trends more closely. we can see every adjustment teams make because there are games every day. but with everything you see every day, change is hard to notice.
in chinese dota we only see them play every 6 weeks or so and everything they have developed within this time will show at once.

that's pretty deep man
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
February 02 2013 07:26 GMT
#41315
On February 02 2013 15:34 dfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 15:05 Nilrem wrote:
On February 02 2013 14:10 dfs wrote:
On February 02 2013 11:08 Comeh wrote:
FYI tobi responded about the whole versuta thing:
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/17pigt/tobiwan_is_being_ddosed_by_angry_russians/c87tbk3

Sounds...confusing o.o

Sounds so... bullshit and hypocrite, imo.


What do you mean? If going to make a comment such as this, at least follow through with an explanation of why you feel this way.

I short, The Defense rules allow other streams freely, it has nothing to do with that Versuta did before anymore (restreaming on twitch when owned was still alive was a violation of the rules), the "spilled hatred" was reaction of immature audience after the closure of the stream and was not someone's order.
The guy was restreaming a lot of stuff for a log time already, had good numbers of viewers, tried to become official caster for a lot of tournaments. Everyone ignored him for all this time untill now. And his stream got shut down only because Tobi felt like it, based of an announcement.
"In my opinion".


I do not quite agree. When mention how it has nothing to do with what has happened in the past but it did, which Tobi specifically mentioned. He flat out said that one of the reasons why is due to the rule breaking in the past.Regardless though, Tobi did still accept his mistake, apologized, and went further in depth on the topic (although I do not actually agree entirely with his views on the matter or purchasing and needing consent but that is entirely different topic).

Regardless, what has happened has happened and just should move on. I am not a fan of Versuta (since I find him to be incredibly immature) but that is just my opinion.
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
yyfpulls
Profile Joined November 2012
United States2185 Posts
February 02 2013 11:05 GMT
#41316
Is Manta considered core on PL? I've been going Diffusal -> Drums but not sure what to get for the 3rd item.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
February 02 2013 11:17 GMT
#41317
drums is useless if you get it after diffusal, better get a heart after it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
February 02 2013 11:19 GMT
#41318
Why go drum after diffusal first of all? After you have a major item like diffusal you need to be thinking slot efficient instead of cost efficient. Drums are a good opening item, but if you're going to buy em you should get them before diffusal.

I think heart is more important first, but manta is a great damage item for illusion heroes and is definitely core on PL.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
February 02 2013 11:26 GMT
#41319
I think people should experiment with eblade PL more. Eblade gives the best stats, so it adds a lot to illusions dps; PL has a good agi gain, so the nuke does huge damage; and you don't lose that muhc dps from being ethereal if you already built up your illusions.
super gg
Aixler
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands946 Posts
February 02 2013 11:29 GMT
#41320
On February 02 2013 16:26 Nilrem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 15:34 dfs wrote:
On February 02 2013 15:05 Nilrem wrote:
On February 02 2013 14:10 dfs wrote:
On February 02 2013 11:08 Comeh wrote:
FYI tobi responded about the whole versuta thing:
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/17pigt/tobiwan_is_being_ddosed_by_angry_russians/c87tbk3

Sounds...confusing o.o

Sounds so... bullshit and hypocrite, imo.


What do you mean? If going to make a comment such as this, at least follow through with an explanation of why you feel this way.

I short, The Defense rules allow other streams freely, it has nothing to do with that Versuta did before anymore (restreaming on twitch when owned was still alive was a violation of the rules), the "spilled hatred" was reaction of immature audience after the closure of the stream and was not someone's order.
The guy was restreaming a lot of stuff for a log time already, had good numbers of viewers, tried to become official caster for a lot of tournaments. Everyone ignored him for all this time untill now. And his stream got shut down only because Tobi felt like it, based of an announcement.
"In my opinion".


I do not quite agree. When mention how it has nothing to do with what has happened in the past but it did, which Tobi specifically mentioned. He flat out said that one of the reasons why is due to the rule breaking in the past.Regardless though, Tobi did still accept his mistake, apologized, and went further in depth on the topic (although I do not actually agree entirely with his views on the matter or purchasing and needing consent but that is entirely different topic).

Regardless, what has happened has happened and just should move on. I am not a fan of Versuta (since I find him to be incredibly immature) but that is just my opinion.


Pretty fucked up that twitch.tv has all the power now, they can just shut down anyone they want. There is absolutely nothing illegal about restreaming from dotatv at the moment, and yet they ban a stream when another streamer asks for it? Who was even casting a game from a different tournament.
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