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Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
January 25 2013 14:24 GMT
#39881
Blind is terrible compared to the new spells
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 14:32:14
January 25 2013 14:31 GMT
#39882
On January 25 2013 23:24 Yoshi- wrote:
Blind is terrible compared to the new spells


lol???

Blind is terrible?
New player?

It was pretty good.

Carry players can't win him because they miss like 65% of the time?

Good old days where Faceless/Troll can just perma-bash everybody when basher still stack with their passive skills.
Old Troll was pretty farm dependent though.
But once he got his BKB/Basher,he could rape everybody.

But The new Troll is better as he can perform better during teamfights and he gained more CC skills.
Makes the game more fun and dynamic.
Play your best
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
January 25 2013 14:35 GMT
#39883
On January 25 2013 23:31 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 23:24 Yoshi- wrote:
Blind is terrible compared to the new spells


lol???

Blind is terrible?
New player?

It was pretty good.

Carry players can't win him because they miss like 65% of the time?

Good old days where Faceless/Troll can just perma-bash everybody when basher still stack with their passive skills.
Old Troll was pretty farm dependent though.
But once he got his BKB/Basher,he could rape everybody.

But The new Troll is better as he can perform better during teamfights and he gained more CC skills.
Makes the game more fun and dynamic.

Why would you rather have single target blind, than an aoe blind + nuke and an aoe slow + nuke in one spell?
super gg
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
January 25 2013 14:36 GMT
#39884
On January 25 2013 23:31 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 23:24 Yoshi- wrote:
Blind is terrible compared to the new spells


lol???

Blind is terrible?
New player?

It was pretty good.

Carry players can't win him because they miss like 65% of the time?

Good old days where Faceless/Troll can just perma-bash everybody when basher still stack with their passive skills.
Old Troll was pretty farm dependent though.
But once he got his BKB/Basher,he could rape everybody.

But The new Troll is better as he can perform better during teamfights and he gained more CC skills.
Makes the game more fun and dynamic.

Have you checked what the new spells do? :/
Moderator
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 14:40:09
January 25 2013 14:38 GMT
#39885
Old blind you could just sit in lane and spam. It last forever (like 15-20 seconds) and cost like 25 mana.
Once you Goblak...
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
January 25 2013 14:39 GMT
#39886
On January 25 2013 23:31 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 23:24 Yoshi- wrote:
Blind is terrible compared to the new spells


lol???

Blind is terrible?
New player?

It was pretty good.

Carry players can't win him because they miss like 65% of the time?

Good old days where Faceless/Troll can just perma-bash everybody when basher still stack with their passive skills.
Old Troll was pretty farm dependent though.
But once he got his BKB/Basher,he could rape everybody.

But The new Troll is better as he can perform better during teamfights and he gained more CC skills.
Makes the game more fun and dynamic.


Are you incapable of understanding the word "compared"?
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
January 25 2013 14:40 GMT
#39887
That is true. Old blind was definitely great late game against physical carries, and even early game against the enemy laner. But the new skillset more than make up for the loss of old blind.
Moderator
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
January 25 2013 14:41 GMT
#39888
Well the new skillset is a lot more interesting at least.
Once you Goblak...
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 14:46:51
January 25 2013 14:43 GMT
#39889
On January 25 2013 23:36 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 23:31 FakeDeath wrote:
On January 25 2013 23:24 Yoshi- wrote:
Blind is terrible compared to the new spells


lol???

Blind is terrible?
New player?

It was pretty good.

Carry players can't win him because they miss like 65% of the time?

Good old days where Faceless/Troll can just perma-bash everybody when basher still stack with their passive skills.
Old Troll was pretty farm dependent though.
But once he got his BKB/Basher,he could rape everybody.

But The new Troll is better as he can perform better during teamfights and he gained more CC skills.
Makes the game more fun and dynamic.

Have you checked what the new spells do? :/


I know the new spells.

His Melee Aoe last for only 7 sec/275dmg and has a higher mana cost and higher cooldown.
His old blind has 15 DURATION and a much lesser mana cost/lower cooldown.

That's why i said he can be more dynamic in early-mid game teamfights.

But don't kid yourself.

His old blind scales better when it reaches late games against other carries.

He could spam blind like what old school troll players do and you can't outfarm him.
Play your best
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 14:47:57
January 25 2013 14:46 GMT
#39890
There was an obscure pro-team from South Africa or another place like that which would run Troll Warlord a bunch when no one else did and they basically just maxed blind and spammed it on the offlane or something similar. Don't really remember, was a long time ago.
Once you Goblak...
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
January 25 2013 14:47 GMT
#39891
On January 25 2013 23:43 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 23:36 Firebolt145 wrote:
On January 25 2013 23:31 FakeDeath wrote:
On January 25 2013 23:24 Yoshi- wrote:
Blind is terrible compared to the new spells


lol???

Blind is terrible?
New player?

It was pretty good.

Carry players can't win him because they miss like 65% of the time?

Good old days where Faceless/Troll can just perma-bash everybody when basher still stack with their passive skills.
Old Troll was pretty farm dependent though.
But once he got his BKB/Basher,he could rape everybody.

But The new Troll is better as he can perform better during teamfights and he gained more CC skills.
Makes the game more fun and dynamic.

Have you checked what the new spells do? :/


I know the new spells.

His Melee Aoe last for only 7 sec/275dmg and has a higher mana cost and higher cooldown.
His old blind has 20 DURATION and a much lesser mana cost/lower cooldown.

That's why i said he can be more dynamic in early-mid game teamfights.

But don't kid yourself.

His old blind scales better when it reaches late games against other carries.

He could spam blind like what old school troll and you can't outfarm him.


The new Blind is 60% the old Blind is 44%.
The difference is in Mana cost is barely 30 Mana.
The Duration of old Blind was 15 seconds and not 20.
Could it be that you have absolute no clue what you are talking about?

So if anything the new Skill scales better lategame.

And ofc you can outfarm troll, troll is nowhere near being a good farmer.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
January 25 2013 14:49 GMT
#39892
obviously troll should rush battlefury, stay in melee form + spam spells to farm, use ult to get between jungle camps faster
Moderator
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
January 25 2013 14:51 GMT
#39893


Oh god, the nightmares.
Once you Goblak...
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
January 25 2013 14:52 GMT
#39894
He probably farms faster than anti-mage.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 14:53:06
January 25 2013 14:52 GMT
#39895
I think you mean midas bfury radiance build

On January 25 2013 23:52 Unleashing wrote:
He probably farms faster than anti-mage.

The real question is does he farm faster than a PA?
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
January 25 2013 14:54 GMT
#39896
I think we need graphs to prove this who farms faster.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
January 25 2013 14:56 GMT
#39897
Holy shit Chuan streaming.. Get this guy's stream listen on Teamliquid!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
January 25 2013 14:56 GMT
#39898
On January 25 2013 23:52 Numy wrote:
I think you mean midas bfury radiance build

Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 23:52 Unleashing wrote:
He probably farms faster than anti-mage.

The real question is does he farm faster than a PA?

mathematically proven to do so. spinning axes likes you pull the aggro of the next camp so you don't have to waste time blinking.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 14:57:43
January 25 2013 14:57 GMT
#39899
On January 25 2013 23:54 Unleashing wrote:
I think we need graphs to prove this who farms faster.

[image loading]
Once you Goblak...
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
January 25 2013 14:57 GMT
#39900
On January 25 2013 23:56 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 23:52 Numy wrote:
I think you mean midas bfury radiance build

On January 25 2013 23:52 Unleashing wrote:
He probably farms faster than anti-mage.

The real question is does he farm faster than a PA?

mathematically proven to do so. spinning axes likes you pull the aggro of the next camp so you don't have to waste time blinking.

You already have radiance for what
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