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Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
January 22 2013 12:50 GMT
#38961
Okay PL is now super strong. Why?

Diffusal Blade charges remove Dust. So does Manta.

You can only counter/hunt PL with a gem/sentry. Had a game where the other team had a PL doing that. Shit.
Mew Mew Pew Pew
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
January 22 2013 12:52 GMT
#38962
On January 22 2013 21:50 Mithhaike wrote:
Okay PL is now super strong. Why?

Diffusal Blade charges remove Dust. So does Manta.

You can only counter/hunt PL with a gem/sentry. Had a game where the other team had a PL doing that. Shit.

Diffusal and Manta has removed dust for a very long time. The reason PL is so strong atm is because he got a huge buff a while ago increasing in agi gain / level. He's a very strong lategame carry that quickly becomes very annoying to deal with.
리노크 👑
Appendix
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden979 Posts
January 22 2013 12:53 GMT
#38963
On January 22 2013 21:48 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 21:46 Yoshi- wrote:
On January 22 2013 21:40 Laserist wrote:
Anyone has any explanations on this?

https://dotabuff.com/matches/97664032

I found that guy from the dotabuff forum, he/she created a new account and in 16th game he played with LGD.Pajkatt.int verified.
Either the system is so good detecting the level of the players, or just too random I couldn't decide.

But what I understand is, having a bad day while playing lets say 10 games would ruin your MMR or vice versa.


How the fuck did radiant won this

looks like a clinkz + infested NP teleport backdoor win to me. Nai'x armlet is active at games end.

It also looks like clinkz had a rapier or two while doing it
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
January 22 2013 12:53 GMT
#38964
On January 22 2013 21:52 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 21:50 Mithhaike wrote:
Okay PL is now super strong. Why?

Diffusal Blade charges remove Dust. So does Manta.

You can only counter/hunt PL with a gem/sentry. Had a game where the other team had a PL doing that. Shit.

Diffusal and Manta has removed dust for a very long time. The reason PL is so strong atm is because he got a huge buff a while ago increasing in agi gain / level. He's a very strong lategame carry that quickly becomes very annoying to deal with.


Yes i knew about manta removing dust charges. But diffusal blade doesnt remove dust in DOTA 1,im pretty sure it aren't supposed to.
Mew Mew Pew Pew
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
January 22 2013 12:55 GMT
#38965
You're correct, in dota1 dust is a universal buff just like doom which can not be purged off.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Appendix
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden979 Posts
January 22 2013 12:56 GMT
#38966
On January 22 2013 21:52 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 21:50 Mithhaike wrote:
Okay PL is now super strong. Why?

Diffusal Blade charges remove Dust. So does Manta.

You can only counter/hunt PL with a gem/sentry. Had a game where the other team had a PL doing that. Shit.

Diffusal and Manta has removed dust for a very long time. The reason PL is so strong atm is because he got a huge buff a while ago increasing in agi gain / level. He's a very strong lategame carry that quickly becomes very annoying to deal with.

Changing his collision size also was a pretty big deal, making his illusions so much more effective when growing in numbers.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
January 22 2013 13:00 GMT
#38967
pl is so hard to click on now
he's on top of himself like always
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
January 22 2013 13:04 GMT
#38968
On January 22 2013 21:40 Laserist wrote:
Anyone has any explanations on this?

https://dotabuff.com/matches/97664032

I found that guy from the dotabuff forum, he/she created a new account and in 16th game he played with LGD.Pajkatt.int verified.
Either the system is so good detecting the level of the players, or just too random I couldn't decide.

But what I understand is, having a bad day while playing lets say 10 games would ruin your MMR or vice versa.

I've heard some people created smurf and after 6 games they were at the same level as on their made, matched against sponsored players. I have no idea how the system works, it seems like witchcraft to me.
super gg
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 22 2013 13:10 GMT
#38969
On January 22 2013 21:50 Mithhaike wrote:
Okay PL is now super strong. Why?

Diffusal Blade charges remove Dust. So does Manta.

You can only counter/hunt PL with a gem/sentry. Had a game where the other team had a PL doing that. Shit.

People know how to 5man in their jungle, but they can't 5man push to the base.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
January 22 2013 13:14 GMT
#38970
On January 22 2013 21:48 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 21:46 Yoshi- wrote:
On January 22 2013 21:40 Laserist wrote:
Anyone has any explanations on this?

https://dotabuff.com/matches/97664032

I found that guy from the dotabuff forum, he/she created a new account and in 16th game he played with LGD.Pajkatt.int verified.
Either the system is so good detecting the level of the players, or just too random I couldn't decide.

But what I understand is, having a bad day while playing lets say 10 games would ruin your MMR or vice versa.


How the fuck did radiant won this

looks like a clinkz + infested NP teleport backdoor win to me. Nai'x armlet is active at games end.

armlet's item icon is always the activated one on dotabuff
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Sickkiee
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Japan607 Posts
January 22 2013 13:27 GMT
#38971
On January 22 2013 22:04 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 21:40 Laserist wrote:
Anyone has any explanations on this?

https://dotabuff.com/matches/97664032

I found that guy from the dotabuff forum, he/she created a new account and in 16th game he played with LGD.Pajkatt.int verified.
Either the system is so good detecting the level of the players, or just too random I couldn't decide.

But what I understand is, having a bad day while playing lets say 10 games would ruin your MMR or vice versa.

I've heard some people created smurf and after 6 games they were at the same level as on their made, matched against sponsored players. I have no idea how the system works, it seems like witchcraft to me.


Well it also depends on the time of day. Say... you play dota at 4-5am. Since it's so hard to find players at your MMR (purely because there are so little people playing) they increase the search parameters. So if it takes like 10mins to find it the game can have players with 10 games and players with 2000 games.

It's happened a few times before, on my smurf my first game I played at 6am and suddenly I'm playing with people that have played like 500+ wins etc. Maybe their MMR is bad but I dunno...

Also could be friends!
Lifes too short to be small.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
January 22 2013 13:54 GMT
#38972
On January 22 2013 21:43 Appendix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 20:58 Saryph wrote:
I don't get why people on my team keep going Medusa mid. How is putting one of the hardest carries in the game mid a smart idea? =/

Or is my understanding of the role of mid just wrong?


I have had this too. I know it's not unheard of, but to me it's more of a solution when you lack all of the usual suspects for mid. The feeling I have gotten a few games is that people consider her a mid hero. I had one game where I was panda, and there was a storm on our team, where the medusa just said "I guess I go mid then?" and went mid. I brought up the argument that storm was probably the better candidate, but no one else had an opinion on the matter and acted like it was normal. Our lineup was panda, medusa, storm, wisp, bane. I've had a couple other games where I've gotten the same vibe, but where the alternative wasn't as clear cut.
Especially in pubs with 212 lanes, putting medusa mid is a huge waste, she's so strong in lane.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
January 22 2013 13:55 GMT
#38973
I played the LP mode, shit was so silly xD

Laned solo alche on safe lane with enigma jungle, vs broodmother who was joined by a medusa like 2 minutes later. Best lanes EU
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-22 15:12:51
January 22 2013 15:10 GMT
#38974
Jesus christ, Dread is getting a ton of viewers on his stream recently. He's over 10k now, CIS community really crazy.
Seems like he's playing with V1lat, that's gotta help the numbers.
super gg
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
January 22 2013 15:27 GMT
#38975
CIS numbers are crazy, in the recent Na'vi vs Empire match the CIS viewers alone exceeded over 25k.
WriterXiao8~~
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 22 2013 15:59 GMT
#38976
On January 23 2013 00:10 cecek wrote:
Jesus christ, Dread is getting a ton of viewers on his stream recently. He's over 10k now, CIS community really crazy.
Seems like he's playing with V1lat, that's gotta help the numbers.


How good is V1lat? Need to know so I can bet on Dota 2 staff cup :O

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Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
January 22 2013 16:15 GMT
#38977
Just when I was about to go play I spotted IceIceIce <20 min Midas+Battlefury+Shadow Blade Ogre Magi, oh well after this.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
January 22 2013 16:29 GMT
#38978
I think sing's new team includes CWM and bamboe, atleast CWM. Sing's talking about scrimming with his new team lately to find their own rythm and playstyle, he also pubbed a lot with CWM and CWM just said he's been scrimming a lot since saturday with his new team.
The old mouz is almost together again, IF it is the case anyway.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-22 16:34:05
January 22 2013 16:30 GMT
#38979
On January 22 2013 21:53 Mithhaike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 21:52 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On January 22 2013 21:50 Mithhaike wrote:
Okay PL is now super strong. Why?

Diffusal Blade charges remove Dust. So does Manta.

You can only counter/hunt PL with a gem/sentry. Had a game where the other team had a PL doing that. Shit.

Diffusal and Manta has removed dust for a very long time. The reason PL is so strong atm is because he got a huge buff a while ago increasing in agi gain / level. He's a very strong lategame carry that quickly becomes very annoying to deal with.


Yes i knew about manta removing dust charges. But diffusal blade doesnt remove dust in DOTA 1,im pretty sure it aren't supposed to.


Yup, i am not sure why it does in dota2. Dust is like a doom buff in dota1. to dev forum we go!

edit: damn like Unleash said.


On January 23 2013 01:29 Unleashing wrote:
I think sing's new team includes CWM and bamboe, atleast CWM. Sing's talking about scrimming with his new team lately to find their own rythm and playstyle, he also pubbed a lot with CWM and CWM just said he's been scrimming a lot since saturday with his new team.
The old mouz is almost together again, IF it is the case anyway.


Cannot wait for his team to be revealed!!! not a big fan of cwm tbh but he showed some ballsy play that i like (some 'wtf moments' both in good and bad situations).
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 22 2013 16:32 GMT
#38980
On January 23 2013 01:29 Unleashing wrote:
I think sing's new team includes CWM and bamboe, atleast CWM. Sing's talking about scrimming with his new team lately to find their own rythm and playstyle, he also pubbed a lot with CWM and CWM just said he's been scrimming a lot since saturday with his new team.
The old mouz is almost together again, IF it is the case anyway.

CWM zzzzzzz every single team that guy is in break ups rather fast and always has drama. He isn't even that good a player to warrant all the teams he's been in.
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