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On January 17 2013 06:20 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 06:15 SKC wrote:On January 17 2013 06:08 Comeh wrote:On January 17 2013 06:07 TheYango wrote:On January 17 2013 06:03 cecek wrote:On January 17 2013 05:58 Soap wrote:
Why redraft for something Valve themselves call a low priority bug? I'm unable to watch but if so that's extremely silly. Because d2l admins suddenly decided that you CANNOT tolerate this one particular bug. And basically broke the game by banning any hero that has an illusion spell or a manta to have a quelling blade in his inventory. It's honestly pretty silly because at most damage values it has very little impact on the game. With regard to PL, the question is almost never HOW FAST your illusions do a jungle camp, but whether an illusion can do the jungle camp by itself--in which case the actual damage difference from this bug doesn't change that much outside of a few edge cases. I don't think the issue so much is clearly jungle camps, but has more to do with how strong the split push is. Is it game breaking? Apparently admins decided it is. I would hardly call it more game breaking than Rubick getting permanent strenght from stealing Morph. That has been ingame forever and has had a much bigger effect on competitive matches. It's on the bugs list and yet I've never seen anyone complain about it. Even the Lothar's bug was put to use with Kunkka in a few games and noone complained. Everyone knew TA had some bugs that made her stronger but she wasn't banned. Dota has a history of adapting to bugs instead doing bans and such, that's what I don't like about the decision. There's also the fact that displacement abilities (Vacuum, Telekinesis, Force Staff, etc.) even moves people onto inaccessible terrain at all (DotA 1 you can't Vacuum people onto inaccessible terrain). Hugely game-changing on any of these heroes, can be used extensively to grief enemy players, and still in the game forever.
Yeah, I was trying to list things that could have easily been banned by tournaments if they chose to do so, but if you add things like Neutrals AI, displacement abilites, wrong ranges outside orb attacks, wrong backswings, etc. there is a huge list of bugs that have been ingame forever and people just don't care. For some reason this one was a big deal.
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United States47024 Posts
On January 17 2013 06:22 crms wrote:
It's similar because of divisons and names but it's just an 'organized' elo ladder. Certain elo thresholds put you in a new league that will show you progress etc.
I like that it shows you're progressing and would (hopefully) lead to more balanced match-ups. Also the competitive aspect of having ladder mean something so that you could qualify for tournaments etc.
The change actually has zero effect on how matchmaking works in League. Matchmaking is still done via your ELO/MMR--the league thresholds actually do absolutely nothing to prevent you from being matchmade outside your league. It's just that instead of having your MMR always visible to you, they came up with this new convoluted league system to obscure your MMR from you (exactly like SC2 does).
So while you may have a quip with how matchmaking works in DotA, you highlighted a patch change in LoL that actually has nothing to do with matchmaking. The league system is entirely cosmetic/organizational.
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On January 17 2013 06:13 crms wrote:
Least played mode.. what the fuck?
Can we just get real ladders or AR?
This mode? I don't even.. sigh.
yup, the idea sounds fun but i am not sure about the fairness. I played almost all heroes anyway~~
please give us AR and SD with swap. Valve zzzzzz
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On January 17 2013 06:29 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 06:13 crms wrote:
Least played mode.. what the fuck?
Can we just get real ladders or AR?
This mode? I don't even.. sigh. yup, the idea sounds fun but i am not sure about the fairness. I played almost all heroes anyway~~ please give us AR and SD with swap. Valve zzzzzz
AR and SD are fair?
It seems it can be fun, probally will be very random and obviously not the most competitive mode, but pubs are pubs.
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On January 17 2013 06:13 TheYango wrote:I hope this isn't a revert to DotA 1 Boots priority on Meepo. IMO Meepo always using the first-slot boots rather than some arbitrary priority order (requiring you to drop Treads if you had Treads+Travels and wanted a clone to be able to use Travels) was an improvement.
Anyone tried yet if this is what this fix did? I'm scared. :o
Also least played mode is my new fav mode, instantly. Finally a reason to learn.... Huskar and Clock.
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On January 17 2013 06:16 PassiveAce wrote:
I want to know what my list looks like, because I random just about every game I play.
I know that Puck will be on the list for me, and there is absolutely no way I will play that hero.
Never.
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On January 17 2013 06:39 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 06:16 PassiveAce wrote:
I want to know what my list looks like, because I random just about every game I play. I know that Puck will be on the list for me, and there is absolutely no way I will play that hero. Never.
Why not? Puck's awesome.
Just kidding people have different preferences, but i'm curious as to why you dislike puck o:
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I just played a game of this mode on test client and since I had 0 games played there it was basically AP for me
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Anyone else besides me is unable to connect? I got the message with "Connecting to dota 2'... sort of screen.
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On January 17 2013 06:40 Qbek wrote:
I just played a game of this mode on test client and since I had 0 games played there it was basically AP for me
So you could pick any hero? It's not a fixed size of the pool, it's a limit like "you must have played less than x% of your games with the hero"?
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On January 17 2013 06:40 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 06:39 clusen wrote:On January 17 2013 06:16 PassiveAce wrote:
I want to know what my list looks like, because I random just about every game I play. I know that Puck will be on the list for me, and there is absolutely no way I will play that hero. Never. Why not? Puck's awesome.
Maybe, but my experience with him right after I started playing Dota 2 wasn't that awesome.
0-10-0 I think.
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On January 17 2013 06:45 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 06:40 Qbek wrote:
I just played a game of this mode on test client and since I had 0 games played there it was basically AP for me So you could pick any hero? It's not a fixed size of the pool, it's a limit like "you must have played less than x% of your games with the hero"?
It looked like it
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On January 17 2013 06:45 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 06:40 Unleashing wrote:On January 17 2013 06:39 clusen wrote:On January 17 2013 06:16 PassiveAce wrote:
I want to know what my list looks like, because I random just about every game I play. I know that Puck will be on the list for me, and there is absolutely no way I will play that hero. Never. Why not? Puck's awesome. Maybe, but my experience with him right after I started playing Dota 2 wasn't that awesome. 0-10-0 I think.
Typical puck game until you get the hang of him. Once you get off to a good start and pick up a fast dagon, he gets a lot more fun 
Note: I'm awful with Puck.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Do we need leagues or ladders? Just play the damn game...
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On January 17 2013 06:28 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 06:22 crms wrote:
It's similar because of divisons and names but it's just an 'organized' elo ladder. Certain elo thresholds put you in a new league that will show you progress etc.
I like that it shows you're progressing and would (hopefully) lead to more balanced match-ups. Also the competitive aspect of having ladder mean something so that you could qualify for tournaments etc. The change actually has zero effect on how matchmaking works in League. Matchmaking is still done via your ELO/MMR--the league thresholds actually do absolutely nothing to prevent you from being matchmade outside your league. It's just that instead of having your MMR always visible to you, they came up with this new convoluted league system to obscure your MMR from you (exactly like SC2 does). So while you may have a quip with how matchmaking works in DotA, you highlighted a patch change in LoL that actually has nothing to do with matchmaking. The league system is entirely cosmetic/organizational.
Yeah, you're right. I shouldn't have tried to show how this change could improve the quality of matchmaking (it won't have an effect).
I think I just liked the infograph because it highlights features (like built in tournaments, like ranked, unranked, and team ladders) that dota lacks that really hurts the game for me.
Do we need leagues or ladders? Just play the damn game...
Of course we do, it adds depth to the game. If done correctly the entire playerbase can be happy, those that don't care can play unranked or even easy mode. Those that strive to get better and want to segway into competitive dota can have an outlet to grow with ranked and team ladders.
It's extremely hard once you're near the topish in the MMR to go from playing pubs for fun and trying to get into a team, get into competitive games etc. Part of the struggle is because there isn't a ton of infrastructure outside the dota scene right now like there was in SC2 with playhems, zotac cups etc., but there is 0 support for this pro-am level playerbase from valve and that is a bad thing, it doesn't help grow the hardcore, dedicated scene.
We should be able to satisfy everyone like LoL and HoN already do. We shouldn't have the entire playerbase mixed up in 1 poorly matched pool.
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On January 17 2013 06:46 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 06:45 clusen wrote:On January 17 2013 06:40 Unleashing wrote:On January 17 2013 06:39 clusen wrote:On January 17 2013 06:16 PassiveAce wrote:
I want to know what my list looks like, because I random just about every game I play. I know that Puck will be on the list for me, and there is absolutely no way I will play that hero. Never. Why not? Puck's awesome. Maybe, but my experience with him right after I started playing Dota 2 wasn't that awesome. 0-10-0 I think. Typical puck game until you get the hang of him. Once you get off to a good start and pick up a fast dagon, he gets a lot more fun Note: I'm awful with Puck.
Necrobook is pretty awesome on puck
then if you want wodota skillz just go blink armlet euls
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On January 17 2013 06:13 TheYango wrote:I hope this isn't a revert to DotA 1 Boots priority on Meepo. IMO Meepo always using the first-slot boots rather than some arbitrary priority order (requiring you to drop Treads if you had Treads+Travels and wanted a clone to be able to use Travels) was an improvement.
People are saying that it has to do with BoT's not sharing cooldown among meepos.
I feel like that's fair.
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Can you swap in least played mode? I imagine if you play stack you can just pass around heroes
nevermind. If it's only 20 it doesn't even matter.
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More detail on Least Played Mode: The top 20 winning heroes for each player will be disabled. Heroes with less than 3 wins will not be disabled.
Sooo it's shit
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On January 17 2013 06:53 Qbek wrote:Show nested quote +More detail on Least Played Mode: The top 20 winning heroes for each player will be disabled. Heroes with less than 3 wins will not be disabled. Sooo it's shit
It's AP for people that don't want to play with Drow players I guess. Unless you play a fairly small pool of heroes, it doesn't change much at all. Can you at least random in it?
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