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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 14 2013 01:15 GMT
#37421
I've heard for lion's stun if you don't click the hero but click a space you can get a longer range. Not sure if that applies to nyx as well.
Baggage
Profile Joined October 2012
Hong Kong593 Posts
January 14 2013 01:17 GMT
#37422
The issue with leveling mana burn early on Nyx is that it's damage output is unreliable and your hero doesn't really have the mana pool. Even against Int heavy lineups, I would always favour maxing out Stun and Spiked Carapace first.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 14 2013 01:23 GMT
#37423
That's not really the issue. You should always go 1/1/1 or something similar I feel. Leveling up mana burn doesn't actually change the damage or mana it drains. It only decreases the cooldown(Huge this one) and mana cost(30 mana change from 1 to 4) so leveling it up only helps later on when you can support spamming it. Stun is an obvious choice for maxing first but maxing second is a bit tricker. Spiked Carapace levels only effect the stun duration and each point changes by 0.6. The maxed out duration is rather huge though at 2.4 so that's really nice. So yea I'd say stun/spiked is best but it's possible mana burn max second might work out too.
AkalineMess
Profile Joined December 2012
249 Posts
January 14 2013 01:25 GMT
#37424
On January 14 2013 10:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I've heard for lion's stun if you don't click the hero but click a space you can get a longer range. Not sure if that applies to nyx as well.



That is probably not true. The range stay the same. However, if the opponent has Linken, click on him will proc his Linken and no stun will occur. Same as Nyx. Someone confirmed this? I could be wrong.
Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
January 14 2013 01:33 GMT
#37425
On January 14 2013 10:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I've heard for lion's stun if you don't click the hero but click a space you can get a longer range. Not sure if that applies to nyx as well.


The stun has a shorter casting range than it has effect, it's got a 500 casting range, but the stun actually has a range of 700, so if you target somewhere within 500 range, you can hit something 700 range away.
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
January 14 2013 01:34 GMT
#37426
actual range is longer than cast i think. same with nyx stun. not 100% sure.
ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 01:39:30
January 14 2013 01:38 GMT
#37427
I'm pretty sure if you click Lion's impale on the ground rather than on the hero you get extra range. If you click on the hero the end of the spike goes past them. In a situation where you are chasing a hero at the max casting range of impale, you might be able to hit them with the very end of the spike if you target the ground, but if you target the hero you will not cast it and just continue to chase them.

edit: ninja'd
gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 01:48:42
January 14 2013 01:43 GMT
#37428
On January 14 2013 10:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I've heard for lion's stun if you don't click the hero but click a space you can get a longer range. Not sure if that applies to nyx as well.



The Range of the spikes is longer than the castrange if you click on someone.

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edit: i guess i should refresh threads more often
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
January 14 2013 01:58 GMT
#37429
its better to click the ground cuz u have a chance of getting more people with one stun with the extra range, but more reliable to land if you click the hero
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ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
January 14 2013 02:05 GMT
#37430
On January 14 2013 10:43 gaymon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 10:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I've heard for lion's stun if you don't click the hero but click a space you can get a longer range. Not sure if that applies to nyx as well.



The Range of the spikes is longer than the castrange if you click on someone.

[image loading]


edit: i guess i should refresh threads more often


MSpaint is always welcome here
TheAppetizer
Profile Joined February 2011
United States146 Posts
January 14 2013 02:38 GMT
#37431
Isn't nyx's stun longer range than Lion's stun in general?
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
January 14 2013 02:53 GMT
#37432
On January 14 2013 10:58 FinestHour wrote:
its better to click the ground cuz u have a chance of getting more people with one stun with the extra range, but more reliable to land if you click the hero

...and then there's this awkward moment where you stun right in the middle of four people, obviously hitting none of them. T_T
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 03:10:25
January 14 2013 03:08 GMT
#37433
On January 14 2013 11:38 TheAppetizer wrote:
Isn't nyx's stun longer range than Lion's stun in general?

It's actually the opposite. Nyx is 500 cast, 700 actual range, while Lion is 500 cast, 825 actual range.

Also, there are a lot of spells that are only targetable at a distance shorter than their actual range. Lina's Dragon Slave, Jakiro and DK's breaths, QoP ultimate, etc. Icefrog has changed some of them like Magnus' Shockwave to cast at the same range as their actual range, but most of them remain the way they are.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
January 14 2013 03:58 GMT
#37434
zeehar trozz and messiah marcolin remember to PM rabidch for intentional afk farm and forcing team to 4v5 in the inhouse which caused you mental/ emotional grief and stress
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
January 14 2013 04:09 GMT
#37435
On January 14 2013 12:58 FinestHour wrote:
zeehar trozz and messiah marcolin remember to PM rabidch for intentional afk farm and forcing team to 4v5 in the inhouse which caused you mental/ emotional grief and stress

wtf that was shikyo

stop accusing me of things i didnt even do
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zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
January 14 2013 04:20 GMT
#37436
meh
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 14 2013 04:32 GMT
#37437
Sigh, how long until the novelty of medusa wears off and people stop picking her?
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RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
January 14 2013 04:54 GMT
#37438
Probably a bit longer than timbersaw, people sure do like to right click.
LazyFailKid
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada750 Posts
January 14 2013 05:04 GMT
#37439
On January 14 2013 13:54 RuskiPanda wrote:
Probably a bit longer than timbersaw, people sure do like to right click.

What's wrong with timbersaw anyway? seems like a pretty solid hero to me. Does he need too much farm to use his skills effectively but doesn't have the same influence as other when you give him that farm?
Solaris999
Profile Joined January 2013
United Kingdom194 Posts
January 14 2013 05:05 GMT
#37440
Right click all game and rage when ganked
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