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craz3d
Profile Joined August 2005
Bulgaria856 Posts
January 12 2013 19:57 GMT
#37181
Yea it is a pain in the ass. I fail a lot with her but still have the urge to play her. Must be those eyes .
Hello World!
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-12 20:01:53
January 12 2013 20:01 GMT
#37182
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
January 12 2013 20:09 GMT
#37183
People are discovering Medusa is actually pretty bad.
How funny.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 12 2013 20:13 GMT
#37184
Difference between medusa and others is that you need like 5 items to be useful.
Solaris999
Profile Joined January 2013
United Kingdom194 Posts
January 12 2013 20:18 GMT
#37185
On January 13 2013 04:25 Bouli wrote:
Is there a way to disable that other people can destroy your items? The disable help function doesnt work for it :/.


I don't think so, you just have to be really careful when you're transferring items across to and from a courier, maybe even buy your own if you're stuck with trolls
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
January 12 2013 20:25 GMT
#37186
I think Dusa's problem is that, in the meantime, everyone else got buffed really hard and she has fallen behind. She's still really good in the hands of a capable player, otherwise...look at her winrate.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
January 12 2013 21:01 GMT
#37187
I have never in my life won a game as PA. (And we're talking even low level pub games). I can try and go standard bfury or I might go strange armlet builds, none of it works. I don't really have winning with PA as a personal life goal though, it's just when I random or am in a non-caring mood that I pick her anymore.
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
January 12 2013 21:05 GMT
#37188
The only reason to play PA is for those sweet 1k crits with barely an item in your inventory
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ViZe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1513 Posts
January 12 2013 21:07 GMT
#37189
Well a lot of her losses should be attributed to her being a terrible hero for pubs in the first place (as a super lategame carry). I mean she is right behind Antimage and it's not like Antimage is a particularly weak hero. I doubt any reasonable change that IF could make to Medusa while maintaining her current design would do much to improve her winrate. Competitively I don't think she is antiquated in terms of power level but rather just as a style of carry.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-12 21:08:54
January 12 2013 21:08 GMT
#37190
I mean, I have no wins with medusa either. But that's like 1 game. With PA we're talking about being 0-15. My AM winrate is normal, around 47%
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
January 12 2013 21:12 GMT
#37191
You just need battlefury on medusa and gg, EGEL.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-12 21:18:06
January 12 2013 21:16 GMT
#37192
On January 13 2013 06:07 ViZe wrote:
Well a lot of her losses should be attributed to her being a terrible hero for pubs in the first place (as a super lategame carry). I mean she is right behind Antimage and it's not like Antimage is a particularly weak hero. I doubt any reasonable change that IF could make to Medusa while maintaining her current design would do much to improve her winrate. Competitively I don't think she is antiquated in terms of power level but rather just as a style of carry.

This.

The changes to the game from when she was strong has pushed her out of favor not because other heroes necessarily got much stronger (some did, some didn't), but because the pace of the game got much faster.

As it stands with how the game currently plays, even the slower to develop carries become teamfight-relevant before 25 minutes at the latest (BFury+Manta AM, BFury+BKB Void). Carries that develop slower than this don't get played (Spectre being another example of a slow-to-develop carry). The expectation is for carries to develop and become revelant quickly--facilitated in some cases by new itemization like Tranquil Boots. Medusa just isn't a hero that can meet that kind of rapid development and expect to be strong and stable.
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KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
January 12 2013 21:42 GMT
#37193
I finally won a legit match on Dusa.

Was far too much effort for a rather subpar carry atm.

hooahah
Profile Joined October 2011
3752 Posts
January 12 2013 21:50 GMT
#37194
On January 13 2013 04:03 craz3d wrote:
How do you play Medusa well in pubs?


ez, you repick into someone good
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
January 12 2013 21:55 GMT
#37195
On January 13 2013 04:52 KillerSOS wrote:
Dusa just seems awful... good stuff releasing super hard carry when meta game hates carries.

Show nested quote +
So there's no way to play some sort of ganker style and still get one or two luxury items for late?


She has no ganking abilities, nor does she have... really anything until late.

She is just a worse version of Gyro.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
January 12 2013 21:58 GMT
#37196
On January 13 2013 06:55 BlitzerSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 04:52 KillerSOS wrote:
Dusa just seems awful... good stuff releasing super hard carry when meta game hates carries.

So there's no way to play some sort of ganker style and still get one or two luxury items for late?


She has no ganking abilities, nor does she have... really anything until late.

She is just a worse version of Gyro.

That really depend on what aspect you judge them in.
Lategame potential? No, she's not worse than him there.
But i'll agree, he's much more suited for the current pace of the game.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
TheAppetizer
Profile Joined February 2011
United States146 Posts
January 12 2013 21:59 GMT
#37197
The thing I really like about Medusa is her ability to control a lane with snake. It does a ton of damage, forcing the opponent to use regen and allowing you to get free farm. Farming throughout the rest of the game is a different story though... Im also a low level player, so everything I've said may not be true.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
January 12 2013 22:14 GMT
#37198
You don't play a Gyro like a Dusa and a Dusa is not anything like a Gyro except for the splitshot part.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 12 2013 22:16 GMT
#37199
Gyro is a lot closer to Luna than to Medusa.
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KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
January 12 2013 22:30 GMT
#37200
On January 13 2013 07:16 TheYango wrote:
Gyro is a lot closer to Luna than to Medusa.


Except that whole "being able to do something early" thing.
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