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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 20:04:05
January 08 2013 20:00 GMT
#36441
I only seem to play games where my team or enemy team has PL. Team who has it gets pretty much dominated till tier 3's, then starts the ricefest and team with PL keeps coming back minute by minute and in the end either you win or you lose (depending if you have PL in your team or not). Exhausting, but fun to play 60-70 minute games though. lol
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
January 08 2013 20:05 GMT
#36442
so they take all outers towers and is probably ahead in kills and they go farm for 40mins. seem reasonable.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 20:09:33
January 08 2013 20:08 GMT
#36443
Actually, the last 2 60+ minute PL games I watched had the PL lose. One was H4nn1 + DeMoN stack vs this PL, who was 6-slot for probably 30 minutes but the Furion + 4 BoT global throne attempt was too much (at least 10 minutes of megas held off rofl). 80+ minute game I think. Lone Druid bear with rapiers pretty good at backdoor.

The other was poor Draskyl (who admittedly probably didn't play perfectly). He was 6 slot at like 35 minutes and was Scrooge McDuck-ing it in all his gold but couldn't pull off the 1v5 vs drow, dark seer, sniper etc.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
January 08 2013 20:11 GMT
#36444
On January 09 2013 05:05 aintz wrote:
so they take all outers towers and is probably ahead in kills and they go farm for 40mins. seem reasonable.


More or less, or keep trying to take raxes but keeps failing/giving their lead away.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 08 2013 20:15 GMT
#36445
Many pub teams don't realize that you can take outer towers on hero strength, but often going high-ground requires mek+pipe. People would rather build flashy items instead of what they need to just win right now.
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asaed
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1412 Posts
January 08 2013 20:18 GMT
#36446
PL with the right support is so difficult to counter though--if played well and built well. But yes, you will always need strong support and support items for PL to get buff.

Interestingly enough, though, in competitive play, PL doesn't seem to do that great unless you get to the 45 min mark. I haven't sat down and analyzed any of these games, but it just seems like PL never gets steam-rolling. The only times I ever see PL work is when he has KotL as a support.
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Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
January 08 2013 20:22 GMT
#36447
On January 09 2013 05:15 Sn0_Man wrote:
Many pub teams don't realize that you can take outer towers on hero strength, but often going high-ground requires mek+pipe. People would rather build flashy items instead of what they need to just win right now.

Me and my friends did that... https://dotabuff.com/matches/93563999 Hilarious game anyway we just got over confident and kept diving into their base and then being too weak to actually kill the towers/rax while AM split pushed all game... iirc we didn't actually take any T3s...

Look at the kills lol :D, was a funny game to lose, we just couldn't kill AM...
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 20:27:14
January 08 2013 20:26 GMT
#36448
On January 09 2013 05:15 Sn0_Man wrote:
Many pub teams don't realize that you can take outer towers on hero strength, but often going high-ground requires mek+pipe. People would rather build flashy items instead of what they need to just win right now.

Yeah, high ground is a totally different monster from T1s/T2s. That's why it's so common to see teams take out all the outers rather than risking high ground too soon, even if they have a sizeable advantage. You really do need to build up that map control advantage and high ground off certain item timings rather than trying to high ground haphazardly.
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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
January 08 2013 20:32 GMT
#36449
or you just realize your strong enough and push it like a man. if it somehow fails go back farming. a team with a defusal heart pl is pretty hard to stop.
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 20:48:49
January 08 2013 20:47 GMT
#36450
What is the proper timing or key order to do the armlet/tread toggling trick? The one where you can manipulate the "bug" and gain HP.

I saw a video before and also just saw Korok doing it with CK, but I can't seem to properly figure out how to start it off, etc.
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
January 08 2013 20:53 GMT
#36451
agi treads > armlet on > str treads > armlet off
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 20:53:58
January 08 2013 20:53 GMT
#36452
Step 1: I have 1 HP, armlet off. Action: Set boots to Agi/Int
Step 2: I have 1 HP, agi/int boots. Action: turn on armlet.
Step 3: I have 400 HP, Armlet on. Action: Set boots to Strength.
Step 4: I have 450 HP (varies), boots on Strength. Action: Turn off armlet.

Result: I have 50 HP (varies, this is optimistic).

A lot of work, for little gain, and a 2s cooldown per cycle, but it is free HP.
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ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
January 08 2013 20:54 GMT
#36453
On January 09 2013 05:47 trinxified wrote:
What is the proper timing or key order to do the armlet/tread toggling trick? The one where you can manipulate the "bug" and gain HP.

I saw a video before and also just saw Korok doing it with CK, but I can't seem to properly figure out how to start it off, etc.


Put PT on agi-->turn on Armlet-->switch to str-->turn off Armlet.
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
January 08 2013 20:59 GMT
#36454
On January 09 2013 05:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
Step 1: I have 1 HP, armlet off. Action: Set boots to Agi/Int
Step 2: I have 1 HP, agi/int boots. Action: turn on armlet.
Step 3: I have 400 HP, Armlet on. Action: Set boots to Strength.
Step 4: I have 450 HP (varies), boots on Strength. Action: Turn off armlet.

Result: I have 50 HP (varies, this is optimistic).

A lot of work, for little gain, and a 2s cooldown per cycle, but it is free HP.


That's still 25 HP per sec, give or take, so it's pretty good, especially since technically you can do it during battle. Thanks for replies, I'm going to practice it hard now.

Though I hope it just gets fixed altogether so that way I don't feel stupid for not doing it.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 08 2013 21:06 GMT
#36455
I guess, but I should be more clear.
1) 50 HP is super optimistic. I was just illustrating. The amount you gain depends on your max HP (and your % HP at the start).
2) really, the way to do it is to bind a tertiary key or mouse button to the correct sequence of item toggles (presumably doable via autoexec.cfg)
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
January 08 2013 21:10 GMT
#36456
Screw that, it's pretty easy

set boots to agi
armlet, boots, armlet, boots, boots
repeat in 2 seconds
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RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
January 08 2013 21:17 GMT
#36457
If you're comfortable with tread swapping for Bottle use its pretty easy to get used to.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
January 08 2013 21:43 GMT
#36458
Fuck some people are so stupid they really shouldn't be allowed to play.

A pa with 30 minutes bfury takes aegis over my 300 cs void....
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
January 08 2013 21:46 GMT
#36459
Please stop posting QQ stuff here.
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4558 Posts
January 08 2013 21:48 GMT
#36460
On January 09 2013 06:46 Kipsate wrote:
Please stop posting QQ stuff here.


This sounds slightly QQish to me
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