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LazyFailKid
Canada750 Posts
On December 28 2012 05:44 TheYango wrote: Technically you could have an escape if you max X first and X yourself before going for a lasthit. How would you get the levels for X though? | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
 As a 6th item though. Treads, MoM, AC, Butterfly, Daedalus, Agh's The reduced cooldown and extra second duration is so noticeable! I don't like building Mjolnir on Void because it overrides lifesteal for me at times when I need to leech instead lol. Though I know most Void players get either that or Battlefury. Even both on some for maximum AOE ownage in chrono. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On December 28 2012 05:55 trinxified wrote: Agh's on Void is pretty good lol. As a 6th item though. Treads, MoM, AC, Butterfly, Daedalus, Agh's The reduced cooldown and extra second duration is so noticeable! I don't like building Mjolnir on Void because it overrides lifesteal for me at times when I need to leech instead lol. Though I know most Void players get either that or Battlefury. Even both on some for maximum AOE ownage in chrono. Refresher better than aga. Why get one extra second when you can have a second ultimate? | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On December 28 2012 05:41 Numy wrote: Works well in bad pubs. Doubt any decent pub dual lane will let you hit creeps let alone get tidebringer splash. either you wuoted the wrong person or you misunderstood what i wrote lol | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 28 2012 05:58 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Refresher better than aga. Why get one extra second when you can have a second ultimate? Agha CD reduction + Agha gives better stats than Refresher. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On December 28 2012 06:01 TheYango wrote: Agha CD reduction + Agha gives better stats than Refresher. Guess that depends on how the game is going. A 10 second AoE disable sounds a lot stronger if you can hit most of the people on the other team without hitting yours. or kill them in chrono. They buyback and then get chronoed again. | ||
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
On December 28 2012 05:38 trinxified wrote: because most pubbers love going mid or feed. And the fog of war at mid helps out kunkka a bit. No, most go mid AND feed. Ofc I'm not talking about some ultra serious Jugger/Veno lanes or anything like that. I am thinking about lanes that dont have reliable disalbes or consist of 2 carrys and every bad pub scenario you can make use of. Just sit in XP range and lasthit when tidebringer is up. If the supports wants to harras you out, man up and stab him. If the enemy support pulls, run there and hit one Tidebringer. After 3-4 minutes their carry and/or support must be low on regen and you got lvl2 or maybe even lvl3 on Tidebringer so their carry should think twice if he wants to try to lasthit frequently. Ofc not working vs some early RoH/battlefury rushing heroes. But dont underestimate the range of Tidebringer AoE. Maybe this isnt the right approch, because I did it only once and failed, but as I said, if others do it, it seems to work. BTW I'm wondering what kind of pubs you guys are playing in. On the one hand people cry that their teammates are always bad, on the other hand you expect people always to know how to handle weird situations.  | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On December 28 2012 06:07 Slomo wrote: No, most go mid AND feed. Ofc I'm not talking about some ultra serious Jugger/Veno lanes or anything like that. I am thinking about lanes that dont have reliable disalbes or consist of 2 carrys and every bad pub scenario you can make use of. Just sit in XP range and lasthit when tidebringer is up. If the supports wants to harras you out, man up and stab him. If the enemy support pulls, run there and hit one Tidebringer. After 3-4 minutes their carry and/or support must be low on regen and you got lvl2 or maybe even lvl3 on Tidebringer so their carry should think twice if he wants to try to lasthit frequently. Ofc not working vs some early RoH/battlefury rushing heroes. But dont underestimate the range of Tidebringer AoE. Maybe this isnt the right approch, because I did it only once and failed, but as I said, if others do it, it seems to work. BTW I'm wondering what kind of pubs you guys are playing in. On the one hand people cry that their teammates are always bad, on the other hand you expect people always to know how to handle weird situations. The thing is you could literally do anything if you're going to assume your opponents are terrible. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On December 28 2012 06:07 Slomo wrote: No, most go mid AND feed. Ofc I'm not talking about some ultra serious Jugger/Veno lanes or anything like that. I am thinking about lanes that dont have reliable disalbes or consist of 2 carrys and every bad pub scenario you can make use of. Just sit in XP range and lasthit when tidebringer is up. If the supports wants to harras you out, man up and stab him. If the enemy support pulls, run there and hit one Tidebringer. After 3-4 minutes their carry and/or support must be low on regen and you got lvl2 or maybe even lvl3 on Tidebringer so their carry should think twice if he wants to try to lasthit frequently. Ofc not working vs some early RoH/battlefury rushing heroes. But dont underestimate the range of Tidebringer AoE. Maybe this isnt the right approch, because I did it only once and failed, but as I said, if others do it, it seems to work. BTW I'm wondering what kind of pubs you guys are playing in. On the one hand people cry that their teammates are always bad, on the other hand you expect people always to know how to handle weird situations. you only need one or two ranged heroes to force kunkka out of farm range... | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On December 28 2012 06:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Guess that depends on how the game is going. A 10 second AoE disable sounds a lot stronger if you can hit most of the people on the other team without hitting yours. or kill them in chrono. They buyback and then get chronoed again. 60 seconds cooldown is much more reliable. Not to mention the cooldown on refresher itself is terrible. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On December 28 2012 06:12 trinxified wrote: 60 seconds cooldown is much more reliable. Not to mention the cooldown on refresher itself is terrible. Reliability isn't needed if you only need one fight to win the game. I'm assuming you will throne after you kill them and then kill them again on their buyback. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 28 2012 06:15 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Reliability isn't needed if you only need one fight to win the game. I'm assuming you will throne after you kill them and then kill them again on their buyback. Obv the best way to play that scenario then is buy Refresher, use Refresher, sell Refresher, buy Agha. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
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Testuser
6469 Posts
On December 28 2012 06:45 Dead9 wrote: just fill 6 slots and have a courier with refresher follow you ez new meta | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Agha atleast has some decent stats. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
Anyway here it is: not all heroes have the 1800/800 vision for day and night respectively. The list is a lot larger than I thought. Very interesting on some heroes actually, and I guess they are small advantages/disadvantages but still. http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Vision Below is a table of all exceptions to the 1800/800 rule: Hero Day Night Alchemist 1800 1400 Ancient Apparition 1800 1400 Bounty Hunter 1800 1000 Drow Ranger 1800 1700 Enchantress 1800 1800 Leshrac 1800 900 Luna 1800 1800* Meepo 1800 1800 Mirana 1800 1200 Night Stalker 1200 1800 Puck 1800 1200 Slark 1800 1800 Sniper 1800 1000 Treant Protector 1800 1200 * Luna is granted 1800 night vision range by leveling her Lunar Blessing ability. Most of them are actually just a straight up bonus just because of lore-wise? | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On December 28 2012 07:28 Kipsate wrote: refresher has a terrible buildup and stats Agha atleast has some decent stats. Though since we're talking about Void, technically Refresher is better for DPS purposes. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Wrongspeedy
United States1655 Posts
On December 28 2012 07:33 trinxified wrote: Though since we're talking about Void, technically Refresher is better for DPS purposes. Costs a lot of mana to jump in, ult, refresh, then ult again (120+200+200+375=895). Not as bad as it is with someone like shadow shaman whose lvl 3 ult is 600 mana , but still 1k mana, if you have like 1.5-2k mana its totally worth it. But I don't play void ever so I don't know how much mana you're gonna have. I would think though it would be smarter to start out with scepter (after getting other items ofc) then get refresher because you will need to be more efficient with your mana earlier in the game. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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