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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
December 22 2012 17:56 GMT
#34501
Hoping warlock gets reworked together with treants 6454345th rework.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
SirMilford
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1269 Posts
December 22 2012 17:57 GMT
#34502
On December 23 2012 02:53 TheYango wrote:
That's not what makes or breaks Warlock as a hero though. Magnus, Enigma, and Tide are all more than just ult-bots. Warlock has nothing else other than ult+bonds. Even if you buffed his ult, he'd still be a niche pick by virtue of the fact that he's only good in games where teams blindly and repeatedly butt heads against each other due to his uselessness in ganks and pushes.

Ye i think you missunderstand. I am saying buff his niche so he is actually good at it, rather than being outclassed by most other heroes currently that can also be used for OTHER niches.

Even if they just decreased the CD slightly so it can be used for earlier ganks or as i said, make the golem magic immune so that it might last a little bit longer in a fight.

The golem for warlock feels tacked on, it isn't anything to worry about and supports can just ignore it to run away/focus your allies down.

Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 18:00:30
December 22 2012 18:00 GMT
#34503
But even if warlock's ult was the best of all AOE disabling ultis, he'd still not be picked, much.
You do realize there's a reason magnus was barely touched pre-buff? Shitty everything outside of ulti.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Gheizen64
Profile Joined June 2010
Italy2077 Posts
December 22 2012 18:00 GMT
#34504
On December 23 2012 02:57 SirMilford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 02:53 TheYango wrote:
That's not what makes or breaks Warlock as a hero though. Magnus, Enigma, and Tide are all more than just ult-bots. Warlock has nothing else other than ult+bonds. Even if you buffed his ult, he'd still be a niche pick by virtue of the fact that he's only good in games where teams blindly and repeatedly butt heads against each other due to his uselessness in ganks and pushes.

Ye i think you missunderstand. I am saying buff his niche so he is actually good at it, rather than being outclassed by most other heroes currently that can also be used for OTHER niches.

Even if they just decreased the CD slightly so it can be used for earlier ganks or as i said, make the golem magic immune so that it might last a little bit longer in a fight.

The golem for warlock feels tacked on, it isn't anything to worry about and supports can just ignore it to run away/focus your allies down.



At level 6 golem's pretty good. It's later on that he get killed too fast and/or endlessly kited. Need more MS and armor at level 2-3 imho.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 22 2012 18:01 GMT
#34505
warlock was good when the game was about babysitting a carry in lane. pace of game is too fast for his DoT skills
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
December 22 2012 18:02 GMT
#34506
#1 thing is probably to make golem not purgeable. Have 1 team member get DB and you can just purge the golem instantly.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
SirMilford
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1269 Posts
December 22 2012 18:16 GMT
#34507
On December 23 2012 03:00 Gheizen64 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 02:57 SirMilford wrote:
On December 23 2012 02:53 TheYango wrote:
That's not what makes or breaks Warlock as a hero though. Magnus, Enigma, and Tide are all more than just ult-bots. Warlock has nothing else other than ult+bonds. Even if you buffed his ult, he'd still be a niche pick by virtue of the fact that he's only good in games where teams blindly and repeatedly butt heads against each other due to his uselessness in ganks and pushes.

Ye i think you missunderstand. I am saying buff his niche so he is actually good at it, rather than being outclassed by most other heroes currently that can also be used for OTHER niches.

Even if they just decreased the CD slightly so it can be used for earlier ganks or as i said, make the golem magic immune so that it might last a little bit longer in a fight.

The golem for warlock feels tacked on, it isn't anything to worry about and supports can just ignore it to run away/focus your allies down.



At level 6 golem's pretty good. It's later on that he get killed too fast and/or endlessly kited. Need more MS and armor at level 2-3 imho.

Ye thats the sort of buff i was saying. Something that contributes to his strengths not changing him completely.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
December 22 2012 18:43 GMT
#34508
On December 23 2012 03:16 SirMilford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 03:00 Gheizen64 wrote:
On December 23 2012 02:57 SirMilford wrote:
On December 23 2012 02:53 TheYango wrote:
That's not what makes or breaks Warlock as a hero though. Magnus, Enigma, and Tide are all more than just ult-bots. Warlock has nothing else other than ult+bonds. Even if you buffed his ult, he'd still be a niche pick by virtue of the fact that he's only good in games where teams blindly and repeatedly butt heads against each other due to his uselessness in ganks and pushes.

Ye i think you missunderstand. I am saying buff his niche so he is actually good at it, rather than being outclassed by most other heroes currently that can also be used for OTHER niches.

Even if they just decreased the CD slightly so it can be used for earlier ganks or as i said, make the golem magic immune so that it might last a little bit longer in a fight.

The golem for warlock feels tacked on, it isn't anything to worry about and supports can just ignore it to run away/focus your allies down.



At level 6 golem's pretty good. It's later on that he get killed too fast and/or endlessly kited. Need more MS and armor at level 2-3 imho.

Ye thats the sort of buff i was saying. Something that contributes to his strengths not changing him completely.

Fatal bonds can do riddicolous amounts of damage in the right setting though, but his heal is not good and his slow too situational
In the woods, there lurks..
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
December 22 2012 19:11 GMT
#34509
I absolutely love nostalgia from thinking 'remember when this hero was actually good, even though he hasn't been changed at all?' Used to be a top pick/ban so long ago, his heal and ult were the best parts of him.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
December 22 2012 19:22 GMT
#34510
yo basi things still works with essence aura. time to spam orb with 1 point in aura in lane
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Porkz
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark1027 Posts
December 22 2012 19:34 GMT
#34511
leet OD bug exploiting guide coming up
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
December 22 2012 19:44 GMT
#34512
does it work for his allies too? If so it's broken as fuck. Can just get ring of basilus on everyone and do a neverending push in one lane with infinite mana on heroes that are usually handicapped by lack of mana.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
December 22 2012 19:48 GMT
#34513
? are you guys saying that the toggle from basi aura triggers od's aura?
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
December 22 2012 20:09 GMT
#34514
Yes.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 20:13:52
December 22 2012 20:12 GMT
#34515
It's funny because for a while certain items were bugged to not trigger OD aura properly (most notably Tranquil boots, which are supposed to be very good on him because of this fact). Now items that aren't supposed to trigger the aura.

Normally I go Tranquils->Mek+Treads and keep the RoP, but now I can make the RoP into a Basi and just toggle the Basi all day.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
December 22 2012 20:18 GMT
#34516
On December 23 2012 04:44 Unleashing wrote:
does it work for his allies too? If so it's broken as fuck. Can just get ring of basilus on everyone and do a neverending push in one lane with infinite mana on heroes that are usually handicapped by lack of mana.

only for him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
December 22 2012 20:18 GMT
#34517
that makes for some insane abuse. looking forward to trying it out.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
December 22 2012 20:39 GMT
#34518
http://dotaland.net/2012/12/21/oldschool-pro-zhaoyun-on-forming-a-tongfu-int-squad-lol-being-low-skill-and-returning-to-dota/

Did I miss us talking about this interview? It pretty much confirms a Tongfu.Int team. Also heavy flames @ LoL haha
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
December 22 2012 21:03 GMT
#34519
OD is all about the veil of discord aghs refresher one shot opposing team build
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
December 22 2012 21:12 GMT
#34520
How is it a one shot if you use refresher?
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