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Qbek
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On December 13 2012 05:21 IPA wrote: Does playing "well" on a horrible feeder team positively affect your MMR? Or is it just the loss that the algorithm reads? For instance, if I maintain a positive ratio, do I still receive the same MMR "score" as the 1-12 Huskarr? Noone actually knows. Everyone always assumed stats didn't count, but I'm not sure if Valve has ever said anything final about it. It's more likely that only wins count, imo, or are at least much more important than other factors. I've seen some people start to question it recently, because of how some smurfs managed to go up extremelly fast on the MMR, while others didn't, but there are other factors that could explain that. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On December 13 2012 05:21 IPA wrote: Does playing "well" on a horrible feeder team positively affect your MMR? Or is it just the loss that the algorithm reads? For instance, if I maintain a positive ratio, do I still receive the same MMR "score" as the 1-12 Huskarr? The "performance rating" bars under your personal dota 2 profile sometimes seem to indicate that yes, losses can still give you postive "rating". However, the accepted wisdom is that wins make you go up and losses make you go down, period. Really we don't know enough about Valves system and I think that Valve like it like that. This way, you can't try to game the system. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34505 Posts
On December 13 2012 05:19 Sn0_Man wrote: I dunno, there is something special about heavy-invoker players. I have a friend who is like this as well. I mean, have you seen CatZ try to play other heroes? His invoker is pretty good really, but most everything else is... hard to watch. Half the time I feel like those guys are playing something like DDR instead of Dota 2 XD. Catz's invoker makes me cringe tbh, and I've never actually seen him play anything else T_T | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On December 13 2012 02:37 Comeh wrote: So I decided to queue with my EU friend, who queued for EU East (I had 150-200 ping, something I'm not used to at ALL). I hadn't played my invoker in 1-2 months or so, so I figured i'd give it a go. I laned against a mid Panda, not really giving it a second thought. This was the result ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GIYzx.png) + Show Spoiler + I checked his stream, it was indeed a puppey, shocksha, funzi stack. LOL holy shit you got destroyed | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On December 13 2012 05:28 Firebolt145 wrote: Catz's invoker makes me cringe tbh, and I've never actually seen him play anything else T_T I saw him lose mid to an alchemist 1v1 as pudge (no ganks or anything else). He also screamed "DENDI" everytime he threw a hook (missed the vast majority) and in general was scarily bad. Spent the whole time lecturing his stream chat on "thinking outside the box" in Dota. I meant his invoker was good for his tier, not that his invoker was pro or anything. I mean, his invoker is wayyyy better than mine and (subtle brag inc) the one time I've played against him we dumpstered his 4 stack. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On December 13 2012 05:21 IPA wrote: Does playing "well" on a horrible feeder team positively affect your MMR? Or is it just the loss that the algorithm reads? For instance, if I maintain a positive ratio, do I still receive the same MMR "score" as the 1-12 Huskarr? Gaining MMR on a loss is counter intuitive regardless, but especially so on a useless statistic like KDA. It could possibly be a factor though as nobody knows how the system works except for valve. On December 13 2012 05:26 SKC wrote: Noone actually knows. Everyone always assumed stats didn't count, but I'm not sure if Valve has ever said anything final about it. It's more likely that only wins count, imo, or are at least much more important than other factors. I've seen some people start to question it recently, because of how some smurfs managed to go up extremelly fast on the MMR, while others didn't, but there are other factors that could explain that. I'd wager that they increased the maximum amount of MMR you can gain from a single win or that you get extra MMR gain from streaks early on rather than gaining MMR when you lose if you have good stats. | ||
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Gosi
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On December 13 2012 05:45 Gosi wrote: Haha. when I started to read Comeh's post I was thinking it was gonna be one of those "look how much I raped this game" kind of posts. Had a laugh at the outcome! "look how hard I've been raped!" | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
I actually saw that game when he streamed it,was pretty harsh lol | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
Only a mild annoyance when you want to track multiple melee creeps attacking but still :[ | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
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VAGZ
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On December 13 2012 06:20 VAGZ wrote: I just played a game of gyro vs slark and fount out that rocket barrage apparently doesn't hit invisible units which made me wondering if there are more spells that work this way. I heard earthshakers ult doesn't hit invisible units either but that might be wrong. Does anyone have a link for a list that shows which spells doesn't work against invisible targets or that just feels like writing them down here in the thread if you are sitting on the information in your head? It would be much appreciated I don't have a list but from personal experience I know invisibility cancels jugg ult and it's pretty bullshit. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34505 Posts
On December 13 2012 06:20 VAGZ wrote: I just played a game of gyro vs slark and fount out that rocket barrage apparently doesn't hit invisible units which made me wondering if there are more spells that work this way. I heard earthshakers ult doesn't hit invisible units either but that might be wrong. Does anyone have a link for a list that shows which spells doesn't work against invisible targets or that just feels like writing them down here in the thread if you are sitting on the information in your head? It would be much appreciated Invisibility actually dodges most targeted projectile spells, there are very few that go through it (Sniper's assassinate comes to mind). | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34505 Posts
On December 13 2012 06:30 Slardar wrote: Although if you smoke outside of Sniper range as the projectile is mid air, you will dodge assassinate. Or at least that's what I heard. Whenever I think about it, god I feel so sorry for anyone trying to learn Dota. Such a fucking confusing game xD | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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