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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10940 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 11:06:34
December 12 2012 11:06 GMT
#32981
On December 12 2012 18:43 trinxified wrote:
I feel terrible.

Lately I've been mass-picking BH, Drow, Centaur. More so on the BH because track gold itself is a carry on its own, and most of the time, our feeding team mates will bounce back no problem with track.

Do I have a problem?


If you don't feel horribe for masspicking Cent/Drow you in fact seem to have some issues...
akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 11:10:59
December 12 2012 11:08 GMT
#32982
On December 12 2012 19:48 RuskiPanda wrote:
Don't mind the drow/cent picks but hell if I'll ever pick BH for a while. Every single game I roll him its against an offensive trilane with sents and dust.... no thanks.

But those are the best possible lanes for Gondar; nothing better than taking advantage of a small mistake they make and taking out one of the supports, giving you back almost all the gold and xp you lost from being zoned out. Remember, the bigger they are the harder they fall.

Even if they don't, all they have is vision over that small part of the map and really squishy supports. Meanwhile your team can freely go around and make their mid's life a pain. Once you pop 6 and assist some ganks everything starts going downhill for them.

Edit: to the person above: Drow and Cent are great to make it miserable for them Naix pickers or for team Magnus + Sven combo-wombo.
njt7
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden769 Posts
December 12 2012 11:22 GMT
#32983
Hi, why is the average match on dotabuff so short? https://dotabuff.com/matches
Couldnt find any game over 30minutes until page 6. If this is actually correct I find it weird people complaining about drawn out stomps where people refuse to finish the game.
"All the casters who flamed me ever for anything."
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10940 Posts
December 12 2012 11:22 GMT
#32984
There is a "problem" with Naix pickers O_o?
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
December 12 2012 11:24 GMT
#32985
On December 12 2012 20:22 njt7 wrote:
Hi, why is the average match on dotabuff so short? https://dotabuff.com/matches
Couldnt find any game over 30minutes until page 6. If this is actually correct I find it weird people complaining about drawn out stomps where people refuse to finish the game.

It's listed by Match ID and only finished ones. So the short ones show up first
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
December 12 2012 11:26 GMT
#32986
I'm really having problems dealing with Phantom Lancer..

That nuke of his is retarded..plus you need insane amount of focusing down to get rid of him first..but then you leave your team open to potshots from a drow or someone else...Does he have any kind of a hard counter..and what are the best ways to lane against him...I completely wrecked his farming in one game with a darkseer...But he just got a couple of kills with a gank and then started rolling people...Tower pushing like a madman too
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
December 12 2012 11:26 GMT
#32987
On December 12 2012 20:22 Velr wrote:
There is a "problem" with Naix pickers O_o?


Everyone should pick Meepo. Or Morphling.
tauon
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Australia1278 Posts
December 12 2012 11:27 GMT
#32988
On December 12 2012 19:15 trinxified wrote:
Oh I forgot to ask a small Q,

In terms of Mana Regen items, what's the difference between % based and the decimal based?

ie. Ring of Aquila (0.65) and a Sage's Mask (50%)

Let's say the base regen of one hero is currently 5 per second. With Ring of Aquila, does it become 5.65 or multiplied by 65% (meaning more than Sage's Mask)? With Sage's Mask, I figure it becomes 7.5 per second right?

If you have more than 33 int, a sage's mask will give you more mana regen than the bas ring.
Road to 6sange
akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
December 12 2012 11:47 GMT
#32989
On December 12 2012 20:22 Velr wrote:
There is a "problem" with Naix pickers O_o?

I just hate all hard carries in a pub game. You struggle to push and take towers despite having teammates with questionable decision making, to say the least, and then just when you are about to take down a rax the guy that has been attacking nothing but creeps comes and mops everything up. It is a valid style of play, but just so god damn boring. If I wanted to kill AI controlled things while avoiding the big scary things only to return 20 mins later to deal with them I would just go play a singleplayer game.

Naix is just a terror in pubs more than any other hero, since he needs so little to kill those that think a low health hero is just 2 auto attacks from death and stand there and try to auto attack and actually heal the guy before handing the free gold and xp.

I am sorry if this looks like a QQ post since those are not really meant here, but it is just my point of view.
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
December 12 2012 11:49 GMT
#32990
On December 12 2012 20:26 pyro19 wrote:
I'm really having problems dealing with Phantom Lancer..

That nuke of his is retarded..plus you need insane amount of focusing down to get rid of him first..but then you leave your team open to potshots from a drow or someone else...Does he have any kind of a hard counter..and what are the best ways to lane against him...I completely wrecked his farming in one game with a darkseer...But he just got a couple of kills with a gank and then started rolling people...Tower pushing like a madman too


Last night I was laning against PL and Kotl... so PL kept spamming his nuke while Kotl kept refilling hia mana. It was so stupid but worked well. I was wanting to rage at how little I could actually do to them.

But yeah, I do not know if there are hard counters to him.
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
December 12 2012 11:55 GMT
#32991
On December 12 2012 20:49 Nilrem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 20:26 pyro19 wrote:
I'm really having problems dealing with Phantom Lancer..

That nuke of his is retarded..plus you need insane amount of focusing down to get rid of him first..but then you leave your team open to potshots from a drow or someone else...Does he have any kind of a hard counter..and what are the best ways to lane against him...I completely wrecked his farming in one game with a darkseer...But he just got a couple of kills with a gank and then started rolling people...Tower pushing like a madman too


Last night I was laning against PL and Kotl... so PL kept spamming his nuke while Kotl kept refilling hia mana. It was so stupid but worked well. I was wanting to rage at how little I could actually do to them.

But yeah, I do not know if there are hard counters to him.

The easy way to deal with a PL kotl lane is to just go fucking kill them.
No honestly, the way to beat that lane is to be able to kill them in one go.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
December 12 2012 11:59 GMT
#32992
On December 12 2012 20:26 pyro19 wrote:
I'm really having problems dealing with Phantom Lancer..

That nuke of his is retarded..plus you need insane amount of focusing down to get rid of him first..but then you leave your team open to potshots from a drow or someone else...Does he have any kind of a hard counter..and what are the best ways to lane against him...I completely wrecked his farming in one game with a darkseer...But he just got a couple of kills with a gank and then started rolling people...Tower pushing like a madman too

Earthshaker is the closest thing to a counter. Basically you need strong of aoe to quickly kill illusions, then focus the main hero down. Cleave hurts him a lot, especially Kunkka, if he's farmed enough he just kills all illusions every 4 seconds.
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
December 12 2012 12:01 GMT
#32993
Nah, the actual counter to PL is a sven. Doesn't matter what sven does, he'll mow down all the illusions and damage the real PL if he's there. Build battlefuries for better cleaving, obviously.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
December 12 2012 12:04 GMT
#32994
On December 12 2012 21:01 Unleashing wrote:
Nah, the actual counter to PL is a sven. Doesn't matter what sven does, he'll mow down all the illusions and damage the real PL if he's there. Build battlefuries for better cleaving, obviously.

I already covered cleave working in my post, so I don't understand why you go "nah"...?
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 12:06:59
December 12 2012 12:05 GMT
#32995
On December 12 2012 20:26 pyro19 wrote:
I'm really having problems dealing with Phantom Lancer..

That nuke of his is retarded..plus you need insane amount of focusing down to get rid of him first..but then you leave your team open to potshots from a drow or someone else...Does he have any kind of a hard counter..and what are the best ways to lane against him...I completely wrecked his farming in one game with a darkseer...But he just got a couple of kills with a gank and then started rolling people...Tower pushing like a madman too

being passive and being harrassed is how PL beats you. If you stun him and go for him often he will have to use his mana running not hitting you. characters with decent aoe shred illusions until PL has heart, but if PL has heart he either does little to no damage or is incredibly farmed in which case you should be too. i like puck a lot vs a PL lane, phase shift dodges the spirit lances, while your aoe and chasing ability help secure kills on him (silence helps too). and your ultimate is incredibly strong in team fights. also puck is awesome.

a lot of laning vs strong spells is a mental game. show you are the bully and people play much more timid. the better players are less swayed, so you just have to do more actual bullying.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
December 12 2012 12:18 GMT
#32996
On December 12 2012 21:04 ChrisXIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 21:01 Unleashing wrote:
Nah, the actual counter to PL is a sven. Doesn't matter what sven does, he'll mow down all the illusions and damage the real PL if he's there. Build battlefuries for better cleaving, obviously.

I already covered cleave working in my post, so I don't understand why you go "nah"...?

Because you said especially kunkka, i just wanted to point out that sven is also especially good.
It was mostly a joke though, thought the italics made that obvious.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
December 12 2012 12:33 GMT
#32997
I disconnected from a game and could not reconnect, restarted dota/steam and it kept popping up with "Disconnected from server, Unable to establish a connection to server". Anyone know how to fix this?
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
December 12 2012 12:44 GMT
#32998
What's the deal with people hating on "tryharding"? It's really illogical.

Like, you play some current trendy hero like magnus/sven or some shit and suddenly you're a tryhard just because of that reason. You buy a smoke, a ward or a sentry and you're tryharding. (on the other hand, you don't and you're bad)

I hate having a 5carry team and the other team is playing like it's a qualifier for TI3 as well, but it's so silly raging on people when they wanna win. I never understood the logic behind the hate on "tryhard".

If you wanna play for fun, play for fun. Dagons BH's and Axes galore, why not but don't expect other people to play the same way if they just wanna improve/win.

So what do you guys do? Do you play to win, or just do random shit?
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
December 12 2012 12:50 GMT
#32999
On December 12 2012 21:44 Andr3 wrote:
What's the deal with people hating on "tryharding"? It's really illogical.

Like, you play some current trendy hero like magnus/sven or some shit and suddenly you're a tryhard just because of that reason. You buy a smoke, a ward or a sentry and you're tryharding. (on the other hand, you don't and you're bad)

I hate having a 5carry team and the other team is playing like it's a qualifier for TI3 as well, but it's so silly raging on people when they wanna win. I never understood the logic behind the hate on "tryhard".

If you wanna play for fun, play for fun. Dagons BH's and Axes galore, why not but don't expect other people to play the same way if they just wanna improve/win.

So what do you guys do? Do you play to win, or just do random shit?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=310452
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
njt7
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden769 Posts
December 12 2012 12:53 GMT
#33000
When picking heroes I either pick whatever I feel like or random if I cant decide and just go with it. I hardly play the same hero twice in a row. But when actually in game I play 100% to win with whatever hero Ive got.

Its funnier to win then one hit people but if you can do both thats a big plus. Shadow Blade, Desolator and Daedalus for my SF. Still 100% so I see no reason not to continue with it.
"All the casters who flamed me ever for anything."
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