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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 04:55:57
December 12 2012 04:28 GMT
#32961
got the answer, i just want to point out blahzor is a true pal who answers all my questions swiftly and diligently, he truly is a upstanding member of the teamliquid community
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Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
December 12 2012 05:05 GMT
#32962
On December 12 2012 13:28 FinestHour wrote:
got the answer, i just want to point out blahzor is a true pal who answers all my questions swiftly and diligently, he truly is a upstanding member of the teamliquid community


and always with his signature =x
ffxiv enjoyer
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 05:23:42
December 12 2012 05:21 GMT
#32963
i watched some zhensan vods of zsmj's hard carry. from what i gather, the situation there is this:

each side always pick the same 5 heroes, with the same lanes. thus, games are about mechanics and group coordination. show was apparently in charge of giving out team orders on zsmj's old zhensan team.

each carry player has to control a bunch of siege units that you can purchase, and use those to last hit while the hero itself go do something else like jungling.

the carry player farms for 80% of the game, only attends team fights after getting full stack of items

not sure about the rest of the roles, but for a carry player this seems to fit zsmj's mold quite well.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 12 2012 05:27 GMT
#32964
On December 12 2012 14:21 oneofthem wrote:
i watched some zhensan vods of zsmj's hard carry. from what i gather, the situation there is this:

each side always pick the same 5 heroes, with the same lanes.
each carry player has to control a bunch of siege units that you can purchase, and use those to last hit while the hero itself do something else like jungling.
the carry player farms for 80% of the game, only attends team fights after getting full stack of items

not sure about the rest of the roles, but for a carry player this seems to fit zsmj's mold quite well.

farming is essential to that game and its a lot harder to get last hits in it which is why a lot of known carry/semicarry players from 820 and 2009 to dai and kingj were zhensan players
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 05:31:24
December 12 2012 05:30 GMT
#32965
It's quite similar to DotA overall, with more of an emphasis on split-second maneuvers and micro as opposed to team play due to the way heroes scale and lanes are run. ZSMJ's name actually comes from his two favorite heroes in ZhenSan, Sima Yi and Zhuge Liang. The game was fairly popular in China before DotA came along as may of the stars today (like ZSMJ and MMY) have histories in the game at a pro level, as well as almost every play has probably tried it at some point.
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
tauon
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Australia1278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 05:43:32
December 12 2012 05:39 GMT
#32966
Very interesting. Thanks for the replies!

From the sounds of it, you are able to purchase mercenaries like you could in wc3. Also seems a lot like DotA during Drow/PL/Dusa era
Road to 6sange
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 05:46:30
December 12 2012 05:44 GMT
#32967
dai played a mid solo role in that game i think. zsmj can play a top level hard carry as well as a multitasking caster. seems to require A LOT of last hitting skill
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
December 12 2012 06:12 GMT
#32968
On December 12 2012 14:27 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 14:21 oneofthem wrote:
i watched some zhensan vods of zsmj's hard carry. from what i gather, the situation there is this:

each side always pick the same 5 heroes, with the same lanes.
each carry player has to control a bunch of siege units that you can purchase, and use those to last hit while the hero itself do something else like jungling.
the carry player farms for 80% of the game, only attends team fights after getting full stack of items

not sure about the rest of the roles, but for a carry player this seems to fit zsmj's mold quite well.

farming is essential to that game and its a lot harder to get last hits in it which is why a lot of known carry/semicarry players from 820 and 2009 to dai and kingj were zhensan players

so true
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
December 12 2012 07:00 GMT
#32969
Nice skins from the cyborgmatt link some pages back. Still no Mirana skins on the horizon...
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
December 12 2012 09:05 GMT
#32970
[image loading]

White-ra what you doin' with fake pandas?
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 09:44:03
December 12 2012 09:43 GMT
#32971
I feel terrible.

Lately I've been mass-picking BH, Drow, Centaur. More so on the BH because track gold itself is a carry on its own, and most of the time, our feeding team mates will bounce back no problem with track.

Do I have a problem?
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
December 12 2012 09:45 GMT
#32972
If you're winning it's your opponents that have a problem
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
December 12 2012 09:48 GMT
#32973
On December 12 2012 18:45 Qbek wrote:
If you're winning it's your opponents that have a problem


Yeah the win-rate with those heroes is outstanding. Though it feels good after losing a lot of games due to my bad random picks.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 09:54:54
December 12 2012 09:54 GMT
#32974
I would feel bored doing that. Its only fun when you go Shadowblade on all of those anyway.
WriterXiao8~~
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 09:59:44
December 12 2012 09:58 GMT
#32975
On December 12 2012 18:54 Kipsate wrote:
I would feel bored doing that. Its only fun when you go Shadowblade on all of those anyway.


I almost always SBlade on Drow anyway lol, haven't tried on Centaur but I should. In fact, SBlade on most heroes are good (kinda like the Midas-addiction effect).

And yeah I've tried the SBlade build on BH (thanks to kupons! ), and most of the time I only get it when the game is somewhat fairly won already or we got a huge lead. I can't get myself to do it as the guide says because I do play games where enemy team will sentry/dust/gem up and actually try to counter me.
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 10:15:37
December 12 2012 10:15 GMT
#32976
Oh I forgot to ask a small Q,

In terms of Mana Regen items, what's the difference between % based and the decimal based?

ie. Ring of Aquila (0.65) and a Sage's Mask (50%)

Let's say the base regen of one hero is currently 5 per second. With Ring of Aquila, does it become 5.65 or multiplied by 65% (meaning more than Sage's Mask)? With Sage's Mask, I figure it becomes 7.5 per second right?
Shai
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada806 Posts
December 12 2012 10:18 GMT
#32977
On December 12 2012 19:15 trinxified wrote:
Oh I forgot to ask a small Q,

In terms of Mana Regen items, what's the difference between % based and the decimal based?

ie. Ring of Aquila (0.65) and a Sage's Mask (50%)

Let's say the base regen of one hero is currently 5 per second. With Ring of Aquila, does it become 5.65 or multiplied by 65% (meaning more than Sage's Mask)? With Sage's Mask, I figure it becomes 7.5 per second right?


Ring gives a flat .65 mana per second, so you would have 5.65 mana regen per second in your example. This is why you buy ring on heroes with low mana regen, as it can give more than a percentage based-item would give you.
Eagerly awaiting Techies.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
December 12 2012 10:32 GMT
#32978
Korok's pubstomp paintrain seems to be chugging along nicely this morning.

[image loading]
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
December 12 2012 10:48 GMT
#32979
Don't mind the drow/cent picks but hell if I'll ever pick BH for a while. Every single game I roll him its against an offensive trilane with sents and dust.... no thanks.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
December 12 2012 11:02 GMT
#32980
Next TL game is against mouz the 14th, can't wait to see it!
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
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