EPT5 games of 30-1 score and then bam, known names, wtf.
Valve has done a very good job with ranking atm. Only thing missing to be perfect is a separate ladder/mmr for parties, meaning one for parties, one for soloers.
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
5 games of 30-1 score and then bam, known names, wtf. Valve has done a very good job with ranking atm. Only thing missing to be perfect is a separate ladder/mmr for parties, meaning one for parties, one for soloers. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On December 04 2012 05:32 Steveling wrote: My smurf, went from beginner status into playing with known pros in 5-6 games. 5 games of 30-1 score and then bam, known names, wtf. Valve has done a very good job with ranking atm. Only thing missing to be perfect is a separate ladder/mmr for parties, meaning one for parties, one for soloers. Okay, but if you wanna Queue as 4, then you have to have a solo matched with you. Maybe force that to be matched with premade 4+1s as well? That is going to elicit some really long queue times at non-peak hours. Matchmaking is really hard to do right. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
*sigh. It's most common to invis carries like BH, Clinkz, or bursters like Nyx. They get a positive score but loses the game, and blames the loss to everyone else. You try to criticize their play but they respond with this: "noob, look at your score." They avoid dying because they are never in team fights, and just farm all game. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 04 2012 05:45 trinxified wrote: I really hate how noobs think that hero score (k:d ratio) is all that matters. Immediately calling out their team mates who are 0/6/8, but did more help to the team than their 4/2/0 score. *sigh. It's most common to invis carries like BH, Clinkz, or bursters like Nyx. They get a positive score but loses the game, and blames the loss to everyone else. You try to criticize their play but they respond with this: "noob, look at your score." They avoid dying because they are never in team fights, and just farm all game. heh, also furions do this with gpm, rush midas aghanims spam ulti every time it's off cooldown, complain his team hasn't farmed as much as him. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On December 04 2012 05:49 PrinceXizor wrote: heh, also furions do this with gpm, rush midas aghanims spam ulti every time it's off cooldown, complain his team hasn't farmed as much as him. Yeah, furion is capable of having great stats while doing incredibly little for their team. However, it is nice when playing furion to know that if the game goes bad, even if its partly your fault because you didn't contribute enough, you will still have decent stats and can easily avoid being fountain farmed etc. Might not be the best attitude, but you have to survive some pub games however you can. EDIT: for what its worth (nothing), I do my best to be as active as possible on Furion, abusing global TP as much as possible. I do find myself TP'ing in without mana for sprout more often than I should though. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
I'm only talking about items, I know some abilities give you damage block (Tide's), but it clearly states nothing stacks on top of that. How about PMS/Vanguard/Stouts? I was in a game where I got PMS and Vanguard on Slark (don't ask me why), and it looked like I was blocking either the 20 from PMS, and up to 40 for Vanguard? I had the PMS first if that matters. | ||
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
On December 04 2012 06:13 trinxified wrote: So question about damage block mechanics. How do they stack (if they do)? I'm only talking about items, I know some abilities give you damage block (Tide's), but it clearly states nothing stacks on top of that. How about PMS/Vanguard/Stouts? I was in a game where I got PMS and Vanguard on Slark (don't ask me why), and it looked like I was blocking either the 20 from PMS, and up to 40 for Vanguard? I had the PMS first if that matters. I'll follow-up on this but pretty sure it'll check Vanguard first and if it doesn't block, it'll check the PMS. They won't both block the same instance of damage (it'll be one or the other or neither). EDIT, found this: http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Damage_block | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On December 04 2012 06:21 Mazer wrote: I'll follow-up on this but pretty sure it'll check Vanguard first and if it doesn't block, it'll check the PMS. They won't both block the same instance of damage (it'll be one or the other or neither). PMS 100% blocks heroes, I guess your explanation refers to creeps/neutrals? So from that, I'd assume that if a Melee hero is attacking you, you will always block 20 damage, but by 70% chance could block 40 due to Vanguard? | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
On December 04 2012 06:23 trinxified wrote: PMS 100% blocks heroes, I guess your explanation refers to creeps/neutrals? So from that, I'd assume that if a Melee hero is attacking you, you will always block 20 damage, but by 70% chance could block 40 due to Vanguard? Yeah, assuming you get the vanguard after PMS. It will do the 70% check for 40 damage block from a hero otherwise you'll just get the 20 damage block from PMS. It sounds like getting PMS after vanguard makes vanguard's block useless haha. | ||
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Defury
Germany206 Posts
Seems like an extremely hard scene for someone to break into. | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On December 04 2012 06:23 Erasme wrote: lothars slardar is legit. Amp -> sprint -> lothars. Thats really fucking good ahaha lothars is good on every hero, what you talkign about | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On December 04 2012 06:26 Mazer wrote: Yeah, assuming you get the vanguard after PMS. It will do the 70% check for 40 damage block from a hero otherwise you'll just get the 20 damage block from PMS. It sounds like getting PMS after vanguard makes vanguard's block useless haha. Ah.. Good. Not so bad investment then.  You can always just drop both items and then pick up the PMS/Stout first then the Vanguard. But Tide's Kraken Shell will NOT allow any of this? | ||
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
On December 04 2012 06:26 Defury wrote: I have a question, if there is no solo ladder in Dota 2 and no real stack separation is there anyway for someone who doesn't know 5 people who play dota to be noticed at all if they were playing at a very high MMR or is it know people or you are out of luck? Seems like an extremely hard scene for someone to break into. I don't see what makes DotA2 any harder of a scene to break into based on that criteria. You might get noticed by a stack and start playing with them if you're that good, maybe you make friends with other soloers and put something together yourself... Or you can post in various team recruitment threads. | ||
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Implenia
Austria3846 Posts
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Defury
Germany206 Posts
On December 04 2012 06:29 Mazer wrote: I don't see what makes DotA2 any harder of a scene to break into based on that criteria. You might get noticed by a stack and start playing with them if you're that good, maybe you make friends with other soloers and put something together yourself... Or you can post in various team recruitment threads. Mainly because games like LoL/Sc2 you have a ladder and high ranked people generally get invited to play with people based on their rank alone just seems dota lacks this aspect of community because of an esoteric MMR system. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On December 04 2012 06:39 Slardar wrote: So has anyone logged into www.invokergame.com ? I want to log in to beat the top score on survival, but at the same time paranoid. It signs in through steam, which means it verified and safe. | ||
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
On December 04 2012 06:37 Defury wrote: Mainly because games like LoL/Sc2 you have a ladder and high ranked people generally get invited to play with people based on their rank alone just seems dota lacks this aspect of community because of an esoteric MMR system. Well, if you're good enough to be queuing games with "pro's", they probably recognize you have an MMR close to theirs. I don't think an exact rating by then really matters but I suppose you do have a point. | ||
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