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On December 03 2012 21:02 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 20:45 Iplaythings wrote:On December 03 2012 20:40 BurningSera wrote:
I simply can't be arsed to play support anymore unless I know the guy is worthy to be supported. That sounds generic like some excuse coming from shitty player but a quick fact is that I have played 80% of my 2k games as hardlaner or support (i am the dude with near 70% winrate as CM).
So, my solution for myself? Make smurf and play PA/Void/Drow all day. I feel like my life is balanced now :DDDD Those 'beyond godlike' are the sweetest candy i ever had!!
Just play veno / SD / thd / WD as the other guy said, supports which can take farm if their team sucks isnt bad at all The better option is actually to play a semi or hardcarry on hardlane fully expecting that the safelane carry will fail and pray that your mid is not feeding -> make midas asap (usually around 8/9mins) and proceed to gank/farm and then make 700gpm at 35+ mins -> ended the game with the oppo team saying 'ggwp (insert your hero name)'. Buy flying courier and at least 1 set of ward is standard when i play carry nowadays (and i will commend anyone who did any basic support job).
Or just play Mid with a Mid hero because thats what your advertising to do on Hardlane where your probably 1v2/3 and won't get any farm if the opponents are halfway decent?
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As Sera said it is not really about picking a support hero it is a lot more about buying what is actually needed with whatever hero you are playing.
I dont mind waiting an extra three lasthits and buy a set of wards together with my bottle if I am in mid. Place one at rune, one at high ground. Proceed to stomp him and gank when u get invis/dd/haste.
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On December 03 2012 21:09 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 21:02 BurningSera wrote:On December 03 2012 20:45 Iplaythings wrote:On December 03 2012 20:40 BurningSera wrote:
I simply can't be arsed to play support anymore unless I know the guy is worthy to be supported. That sounds generic like some excuse coming from shitty player but a quick fact is that I have played 80% of my 2k games as hardlaner or support (i am the dude with near 70% winrate as CM).
So, my solution for myself? Make smurf and play PA/Void/Drow all day. I feel like my life is balanced now :DDDD Those 'beyond godlike' are the sweetest candy i ever had!!
Just play veno / SD / thd / WD as the other guy said, supports which can take farm if their team sucks isnt bad at all The better option is actually to play a semi or hardcarry on hardlane fully expecting that the safelane carry will fail and pray that your mid is not feeding -> make midas asap (usually around 8/9mins) and proceed to gank/farm and then make 700gpm at 35+ mins -> ended the game with the oppo team saying 'ggwp (insert your hero name)'. Buy flying courier and at least 1 set of ward is standard when i play carry nowadays (and i will commend anyone who did any basic support job). Or just play Mid with a Mid hero because thats what your advertising to do on Hardlane where your probably 1v2/3 and won't get any farm if the opponents are halfway decent?
Pub: 98% of all time someone will call mid before the game started. The point is you give whatever your (retarded) team mates wanted to avoid some retard raging to go mid even after you called first. And if you hardlaned allowing your team to 4v2 or 4v3 and they still lose, what more can you do for your team? And then challenge started when you proceed to outfarm your safelane carry (and you ganked more, you buy ward and flying courier) and then you save the world.
Dota2's MM: allowing you to enjoy multi-roles in one game.
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Ok, time for some theorycrafting.
Me and my friend had a smaller discussion today and I'm curious what your answers would be. So imagine if there was a bot that would play dota 100% perfectly and maximize the potential of every hero (like Automaton 2000 bot in sc2) and then replace one player in a top tier game. What hero would be the absolute deadliest for the opposing team?
My friend said Meepo because he think Meepo has the biggest skill cap and it would be just insane with a Meepo that would play with unlimited APM and also have the ability to last hit like no one else.
Me myself couldn't decide between SK or ES. My reasoing is that a SK/ES being played aboslutely perfect stunning as many as possible every time and maximize the damage with ultimates because of perfect positoning and reflexes would be just devastating. With those heroes the bot could also place perfect Fissure and Burrowstrike's as an escape mechanism for his team when they are in disadvantage and out of positon etc.
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On December 03 2012 21:34 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 21:09 Velr wrote:On December 03 2012 21:02 BurningSera wrote:On December 03 2012 20:45 Iplaythings wrote:On December 03 2012 20:40 BurningSera wrote:
I simply can't be arsed to play support anymore unless I know the guy is worthy to be supported. That sounds generic like some excuse coming from shitty player but a quick fact is that I have played 80% of my 2k games as hardlaner or support (i am the dude with near 70% winrate as CM).
So, my solution for myself? Make smurf and play PA/Void/Drow all day. I feel like my life is balanced now :DDDD Those 'beyond godlike' are the sweetest candy i ever had!!
Just play veno / SD / thd / WD as the other guy said, supports which can take farm if their team sucks isnt bad at all The better option is actually to play a semi or hardcarry on hardlane fully expecting that the safelane carry will fail and pray that your mid is not feeding -> make midas asap (usually around 8/9mins) and proceed to gank/farm and then make 700gpm at 35+ mins -> ended the game with the oppo team saying 'ggwp (insert your hero name)'. Buy flying courier and at least 1 set of ward is standard when i play carry nowadays (and i will commend anyone who did any basic support job). Or just play Mid with a Mid hero because thats what your advertising to do on Hardlane where your probably 1v2/3 and won't get any farm if the opponents are halfway decent? Pub: 98% of all time someone will call mid before the game started. The point is you give whatever your (retarded) team mates wanted to avoid some retard raging to go mid even after you called first. And if you hardlaned allowing your team to 4v2 or 4v3 and they still lose, what more can you do for your team? And then challenge started when you proceed to outfarm your safelane carry (and you ganked more, you buy ward and flying courier) and then you save the world. Dota2's MM: allowing you to enjoy multi-roles in one game.
Ahm, i think we discussed about playing support in Pubs? Not about picking a random Hero on the lane that is left over for you and then procced to carry the game while buying chicks/wards, winning 1on2's no matter what all while ganking around... I mean.. get real :p.
What your describing is downright ridiculous if your opponents are halfway decent and actually describes what Mid should try to do (-chick/wards but just say you randomed and therefore got these too).
I feel for you. In my games there seems to be just about always a chick ("early" flying is another story  ) and most of the times also a set of early wards. My bitching is mainly about people just playing way worse than their opponents or/and just picking bad, not about totally misjudging their roles (they often just horribly fail at it ^^).
I also noticed that games in the afternoon on avg. tend to be way worse than during the evening/night... Children at play.
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On December 03 2012 22:20 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 21:34 BurningSera wrote:On December 03 2012 21:09 Velr wrote:On December 03 2012 21:02 BurningSera wrote:On December 03 2012 20:45 Iplaythings wrote:On December 03 2012 20:40 BurningSera wrote:
I simply can't be arsed to play support anymore unless I know the guy is worthy to be supported. That sounds generic like some excuse coming from shitty player but a quick fact is that I have played 80% of my 2k games as hardlaner or support (i am the dude with near 70% winrate as CM).
So, my solution for myself? Make smurf and play PA/Void/Drow all day. I feel like my life is balanced now :DDDD Those 'beyond godlike' are the sweetest candy i ever had!!
Just play veno / SD / thd / WD as the other guy said, supports which can take farm if their team sucks isnt bad at all The better option is actually to play a semi or hardcarry on hardlane fully expecting that the safelane carry will fail and pray that your mid is not feeding -> make midas asap (usually around 8/9mins) and proceed to gank/farm and then make 700gpm at 35+ mins -> ended the game with the oppo team saying 'ggwp (insert your hero name)'. Buy flying courier and at least 1 set of ward is standard when i play carry nowadays (and i will commend anyone who did any basic support job). Or just play Mid with a Mid hero because thats what your advertising to do on Hardlane where your probably 1v2/3 and won't get any farm if the opponents are halfway decent? Pub: 98% of all time someone will call mid before the game started. The point is you give whatever your (retarded) team mates wanted to avoid some retard raging to go mid even after you called first. And if you hardlaned allowing your team to 4v2 or 4v3 and they still lose, what more can you do for your team? And then challenge started when you proceed to outfarm your safelane carry (and you ganked more, you buy ward and flying courier) and then you save the world. Dota2's MM: allowing you to enjoy multi-roles in one game. Ahm, i think we discussed about playing support in Pubs? Not about picking a random Hero on the lane that is left over for you and then procced to carry the game while buying chicks/wards, winning 1on2's no matter what all while ganking around... I mean.. get real :p. What your describing is downright ridiculous if your opponents are halfway decent and actually describes what Mid should try to do (-chick/wards but just say you randomed and therefore got these too). I feel for you. In my games there seems to be just about always a chick ("early" flying is another story ) and most of the times also a set of early wards. My bitching is mainly about people just playing way worse than their opponents or/and just picking bad, not about totally misjudging their roles (they often just horribly fail at it ^^). I also noticed that games in the afternoon on avg. tend to be way worse than during the evening/night... Children at play.
Yo i was being real as seriously as i get bfury on my wr! xD
+ Show Spoiler +And i was actually talking from a game happened last night, hardlane alche dual with NA on hardlane, 0 farm 15mins in and then 700gpm! https://dotabuff.com/matches/72067114, ignore the TA because my mate is an ass who KS everything Q_Q
Dota2 MM is ridiculous in putting these 'experienced' noobs together in one game. A quick experiment would be whenever you see a SF go mid, you purposely ward both sides of the river and watch him whined about 'no ward so i get ganked and die'. I am talking these 'v.high skill' games, MM was nice when it was like 4k people but nowadays i just expect to see 1/2 retards in team every game. Like you said and same to me too, the problem is that these are not noobs but simply shit at their heroes/no clue how to work their heroes with the team and selfish as fck (without knowing they are in a team game).
And ya, the better team wins in the end, my point is it doesnt matter what heroes/items you go but better players will likely to win (to a certain extend obviously).
Regarding to playing support in pub, i will quote this:
I am going to start the guide with this line: 'Playing support is against human nature.'.
My suggestion is don't play support unless you really have some good mood and dont mind losing game (and get flamed at times). Go semi carry, dont die and appreciate every last hit you can get, make some gank when you see fit, rush midas if you see your team had a chance. The thing is you can just play the semi like a position 5 support, if the team doing well then you can go carry. Or at least some supportive heroes with stuns. That said, whenever i see someone picked CM i knew the game will be hard because the oppo team most likely knows their shit well.
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I hate people who pick lina/lion/sven when i pick meepo.. hes not exactly hard to beat ..
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What's up with the pauses at the start of the game because players are not picking heroes? It's happening a lot now. Are players going afk or is it some sort of counter picking that's just really slow? Cause if it's the second I'm going to start unpausing right away.
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On December 03 2012 22:59 Erasme wrote:
I hate people who pick lina/lion/sven when i pick meepo.. hes not exactly hard to beat ..
those heroes (except sven) actually shit against a pro meepo! I can only play when i get home Q_Q
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So a storm is coming in my place in 6 hours. Gonna say bye2 for dota2 for a while. 
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On December 03 2012 23:09 Fwizzz wrote:So a storm is coming in my place in 6 hours. Gonna say bye2 for dota2 for a while.
You can watch replays offline but it is a bit of a hassle. You could download dream hack and international vods to watch them 
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=54689
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On December 03 2012 23:02 durecell wrote:
What's up with the pauses at the start of the game because players are not picking heroes? It's happening a lot now. Are players going afk or is it some sort of counter picking that's just really slow? Cause if it's the second I'm going to start unpausing right away.
I get this too, i'm guessing its cuz of counter picking. The first minute is either staring at the screen waiting for heroes to be picked or wondering what i'm going to pick to counter X.
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More like, "Gotta wait till the last second to pick Stealth Assassin so that the enemies won't counterpick with detection my team won't know what roles to pick and will have the worst lanes in history".
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On December 04 2012 00:15 Sn0_Man wrote:
More like, "Gotta wait till the last second to pick Stealth Assassin so that the enemies won't counterpick with detection my team won't know what roles to pick and will have the worst lanes in history".
And the "Oh I searched a match, accepted the game request, went to take a piss, make a sandwich or whatever, comes back as last pick - GOTTA RANDOM MY HERO OF CHOICE, NO REPICK ALLOWED". Then whine at the others because they picked shit lanes.
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I was talking about playing with a stack of people.
Obviously I have no expectations of good teams in solo MM.
The sad thing is that I want to play roles that aren't normally the ones I play once in a while but I feel compelled to rice constantly because the people I know are too nice to say "no, I will do that until you demonstrate you have some skill" so either I do it or we lose the majority of our games.
I don't like playing alone and I like including new people in our group as a general rule, but it disappoints me that at least 75% of them only want to play hard carry and then 90% of those people are absolutely horrendous at it. I don't want to play like Im by myself; if I did then I would just play alone.
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In my experience there aren't really "to many" carries.
There are just too many Pos 1-3's in general and not enough 5's. and who is to blame? 4/5 in pubs is just 100% rolling dice and to get good at it you really need to have a decent team already else you can't practice it (at least not "seriously" because support does just not work "alone").
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