General Discussion - Page 1488

On November 16 2012 03:07 trinxified wrote:
Can we still remove tower aggro by attacking friendly creeps/heroes? (even if not denying)

On November 16 2012 03:02 Sn0_Man wrote:
I see manta being brought up quite a bit in slark item recommendations, but it doesn't seem like a terribly good item on him to me.

First off, his base agi is 15 +1.5 per level, which is somewhere between unbelievably bad and something far worse. The illusions that you make are not going to be doing much damage without a bit of help.

So, the supposed help: His agi-steal on attack passive. Now, I haven't played with the hero so I'm not too well informed on how this works, but I'm assuming that his illusions won't proc this when they attack right? I also assume that the illusions only gain whatever agi you had stolen BEFORE you make them? So now you need to hit your opponent, say, 5 times before the agi steal actually means anything, THEN make illusions, THEN have those melee-range illusions whack your opponents when you have no slow or reliable way to catch them. Plus, there isn't even the bonus of taking off dust, since your hero kinda automatically does that anyway. So the active part of manta doesn't seem that good to me. I'd just keep the yasha and turn the ultimate orb into a skadi.

I could definitely be wrong on the mechanics of his agi steal though.

Actually, I guess the plan is to steal agi, THEN pounce the enemy hero into being stuck, THEN make illusions? that actually seems decent... Hmmm. Maybe I'm just horribly wrong.

On November 16 2012 03:10 Dead9 wrote:

manta also makes you run faster and hit things faster
also it dodges stuff and dispells stuff

On November 16 2012 03:02 Sn0_Man wrote:Plus, there isn't even the bonus of taking off dust, since your hero kinda automatically does that anyway. So the active part of manta doesn't seem that good to me. I'd just keep the yasha and turn the ultimate orb into a skadi.

On November 16 2012 03:17 Sn0_Man wrote:




I just think that Slark doesn't benefit from the utility of the manta active ability the way other agi heroes often do. It feels like 900 gold down the drain since he can already self-purge on a very low cooldown and the illusions do very little without at least 1 more serious item (I think this is in general skadi, maybe diffusal/abyssal sometimes?).

On November 16 2012 04:03 PassiveAce wrote:
sny seems like it makes a lot of sense on slark, I tried it out in practice when slark came out and it felt like the best choice among the options. Unlike many heroes, slark gets a lot of use out of both yasha and sange, so the build up for him is excellent, as well as the reduced cost making it even better.

edit- does maim stack with OoV?

On November 16 2012 03:36 NB wrote:
personally i kinda favor SnY to manta atm... the cost of going ultimate orb+recipe is wayyyyy too high and manta only scale on certain heroes while SNY give you sick move speed and dissamble later for hailbutt heaven

On November 16 2012 04:51 TheYango wrote:

The disassemble->Halberd is something I don't think I'd ever consider for an Agi carry. Butterfly cost-effectiveness is too good.

S&Y is good though. I just wouldn't feel the need to disassemble it on Slark. Just keep it and make Bfly.