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dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
November 14 2012 23:44 GMT
#29661
On November 15 2012 07:27 NB wrote:
Tournament drop is HUGE. Imagine an EGMasterCup courier . more reason to buy tickets+pennants value will go WAY up.

Starladder courier is already coming.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/Q1jSb9X.jpg (c) Shiro; http://i.imgur.com/lSDLLKb.png (c) drav
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
November 14 2012 23:48 GMT
#29662
On November 15 2012 08:21 duoform wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 08:12 canikizu wrote:
Next patch: voicewheel.

By the time Blizzard releases HotS (12.03.2013), Valve is still working on tutorial system for newbies/newcomers, still working on LAN, no server capacity especially for Asia(China, SEA), Oceania and 10 heroes left to port... I'm not hating on them because I know how Valve roll but damn man...
Think about the millions of people in Asia who are waiting for this!



It will also have been 3 years and a new expansion and SC2 still won't have all the features that the community wanted since sc2 WoL beta.

I'd rather have a great release then an 'ok' game that needs a ton of work that won't really get done until 3+ years after the game was released.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
November 14 2012 23:49 GMT
#29663
On November 15 2012 08:44 dfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 07:27 NB wrote:
Tournament drop is HUGE. Imagine an EGMasterCup courier . more reason to buy tickets+pennants value will go WAY up.

Starladder courier is already coming.


plz be tiny vilat that mimics stormspirit in apperance.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
November 14 2012 23:52 GMT
#29664
Maybe ill be good again now that he got his wings back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
November 15 2012 00:04 GMT
#29665
How do I handle Outworld's ulti as Magnus? Lvl 20 Magnus vs Lvl 23-max Outworld. In team fights, the ult absolutely ruined me last night. I am certain it can be attributed to my own terrible play but I am curious as to "work arounds" or suggestions. Thanks.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 00:10:04
November 15 2012 00:07 GMT
#29666
On November 15 2012 09:04 IPA wrote:
How do I handle Outworld's ulti as Magnus? Lvl 20 Magnus vs Lvl 23-max Outworld. In team fights, the ult absolutely ruined me last night. I am certain it can be attributed to my own terrible play but I am curious as to "work arounds" or suggestions. Thanks.

If the game gets to the point where OD is level 23, he generally takes over the game at that point, barring harder carries that have specific usefulness against him.

"How do I deal with level 23+ OD?" is essentially tantamount to "How do I deal with 4-item Void/AM/etc.?" Either you have a similarly farmed hard carry, or you have to build up enough of an advantage before that point to deal with him.
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zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 00:09:29
November 15 2012 00:08 GMT
#29667
On November 15 2012 09:04 IPA wrote:
How do I handle Outworld's ulti as Magnus? Lvl 20 Magnus vs Lvl 23-max Outworld. In team fights, the ult absolutely ruined me last night. I am certain it can be attributed to my own terrible play but I am curious as to "work arounds" or suggestions. Thanks.


you really can't (besides avoiding the aoe altogether) unless you somehow get an ungodly amount of intelligence

alternatively you can just kill him (with your friends) before he uses it

edit: or what yango said
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
November 15 2012 00:10 GMT
#29668
--- Nuked ---
Gheizen64
Profile Joined June 2010
Italy2077 Posts
November 15 2012 00:14 GMT
#29669
Y Bkb and OD is useless, pure damage doesn't hit u, neither ult or banish. He's basically a big creep when u have bkb.
Seen as G.ZZZ [COPPER SCUM] on Steam
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
November 15 2012 00:16 GMT
#29670
On November 15 2012 09:04 IPA wrote:
How do I handle Outworld's ulti as Magnus? Lvl 20 Magnus vs Lvl 23-max Outworld. In team fights, the ult absolutely ruined me last night. I am certain it can be attributed to my own terrible play but I am curious as to "work arounds" or suggestions. Thanks.

Kill him during RP or get shivas. As the previous posters have said, by that time you should have a sheepstick or bkb and sufficient damage to kill the <insert any hardcarry> or you just lose.
High Risk Low Reward
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 00:22:01
November 15 2012 00:19 GMT
#29671
BKB's usefulness against OD can very wildly. 10 second BKBs obviously pose a problem for OD, but when we're talking level 23+ OD who will probably have Sheep+BKB+Force+Shiva's, he can probably Force->Sheep and kill you before you even come out of Sheep. And at that point your BKBs will be down to 5 seconds, meaning that unless you have a hard carry that can handle him regardless, that 5 seconds isn't quite enough.

By and large if you're dealing with level 23+ OD, the issue is rarely the need for counter-items, but the fact that you're trying to come up with a solution to letting a game get to level 23+ on a hard carry like OD unless you have a similarly farmed hard carry that can deal with OD. By and large, the best way to deal with OD is going to be to not let the game get to that point, as the hero's primary weaknesses manifest much more strongly during the midgame than the lategame (no AoE, no hard disables, no escapes, etc.).
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KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
November 15 2012 00:21 GMT
#29672
what are the best streams to watch for learning ?

would like a solid combo of top play and commentary although commentary more important
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
November 15 2012 00:24 GMT
#29673
Slark my babby <3
https://soundcloud.com/papercranesdk
duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
November 15 2012 00:30 GMT
#29674
On November 15 2012 09:21 ToguRo wrote:
what are the best streams to watch for learning ?

would like a solid combo of top play and commentary although commentary more important

Merlini. Definitely Merlini!
"I really like Marauders and Marines." - Flash
KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
November 15 2012 00:33 GMT
#29675
On November 15 2012 09:30 duoform wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 09:21 ToguRo wrote:
what are the best streams to watch for learning ?

would like a solid combo of top play and commentary although commentary more important

Merlini. Definitely Merlini!


thanks

heard his name a lot will check it out
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 00:34:08
November 15 2012 00:33 GMT
#29676
On November 15 2012 09:19 TheYango wrote:
BKB's usefulness against OD can very wildly. 10 second BKBs obviously pose a problem for OD, but when we're talking level 23+ OD who will probably have Sheep+BKB+Force+Shiva's, he can probably Force->Sheep and kill you before you even come out of Sheep. And at that point your BKBs will be down to 5 seconds, meaning that unless you have a hard carry that can handle him regardless, that 5 seconds isn't quite enough.

By and large if you're dealing with level 23+ OD, the issue is rarely the need for counter-items, but the fact that you're trying to come up with a solution to letting a game get to level 23+ on a hard carry like OD unless you have a similarly farmed hard carry that can deal with OD. By and large, the best way to deal with OD is going to be to not let the game get to that point, as the hero's primary weaknesses manifest much more strongly during the midgame than the lategame (no AoE, no hard disables, no escapes, etc.).


this OD only kills one guy, sounds much less effective than veil of discord + cheep + aghs + refresher kill entire other team in one shot OD

PS: and rod of atros
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Gheizen64
Profile Joined June 2010
Italy2077 Posts
November 15 2012 00:34 GMT
#29677
On November 15 2012 09:19 TheYango wrote:
BKB's usefulness against OD can very wildly. 10 second BKBs obviously pose a problem for OD, but when we're talking level 23+ OD who will probably have Sheep+BKB+Force+Shiva's, he can probably Force->Sheep and kill you before you even come out of Sheep. And at that point your BKBs will be down to 5 seconds, meaning that unless you have a hard carry that can handle him regardless, that 5 seconds isn't quite enough.

By and large if you're dealing with level 23+ OD, the issue is rarely the need for counter-items, but the fact that you're trying to come up with a solution to letting a game get to level 23+ on a hard carry like OD unless you have a similarly farmed hard carry that can deal with OD. By and large, the best way to deal with OD is going to be to not let the game get to that point, as the hero's primary weaknesses manifest much more strongly during the midgame than the lategame (no AoE, no hard disables, no escapes, etc.).


Assuming two similar farmed team, a team with 3-4 bkb on him will basically nullify Destro possibilities and obliterate him before the Bkb are out. OD may be an hard carry, but he's the only one that is countered easily by an item that every carry should get anyway. When your carry can attack 5 people and destro can attack only 2 you're in a pretty good position.
He's good but his power isn't in the lategame but rather in the laning phase and in the midgame before the enemy team get mass bkb.
Seen as G.ZZZ [COPPER SCUM] on Steam
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
November 15 2012 00:40 GMT
#29678
The problem is that, even if your hardcarry has a bkb, your 3th, 4th and 5th won't. Playing a 2v5 5sec after the beginning of a fight is not a good sign :p
And I never thought of veil ... eheheh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
November 15 2012 00:50 GMT
#29679
wtf

instead of Dusa we get some murloc

hate
WriterXiao8~~
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
November 15 2012 00:53 GMT
#29680
slark is pretty cool, enjoyed him a bit on test client aside from the shadowdance bug that gives you permanent healing

would be awesome to see him at comp games but i doubt it ._.
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