EPTOn October 30 2012 05:55 teapoted wrote:
My point is that there aren't that many people here.
My point is that there aren't that many people here.
man you really are johnny raincloud aren't you
if its not hating on EG its hating on people
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CeriseCherries
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man you really are johnny raincloud aren't you if its not hating on EG its hating on people | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On October 30 2012 05:58 CeriseCherries wrote: Sure, believe what you will.man you really are johnny raincloud aren't you if its not hating on EG its hating on people | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On October 30 2012 05:54 Sn0_Man wrote: I'd appreciate an explanation on each of those points, because none of them are inherently obvious. For example, I think that dire mid is much safer and harder to gank, since you have to tower dive to do it from below, whereas ganking radiant mid from below is really, really easy (assuming a semi-intelligent path through the jungle). the radiant mid is noticably closer to their tower, and you have to towerdive to gank from below on radiant as well | ||
Kipsate
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Edit: On October 30 2012 06:12 Kipsate wrote: You can farm the small neutral camp if you are Radiant if you are a strong pusher (Shadowfiend etc). I mentioned that previously, but it is indeed a good point. Shadowfiend is likely the best example of this but there are many (death prophet, storm spirit, etc). | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
much better ward spots - the starting ward spots for dire suck, either you get vision for the danger lane or you get vision for mid to safely get bot rune. radiant wards cover all gank paths from mid to top and top to mid. radiant can cover rosh and entrance to jungle with one ward easier and safer mid lane - closer to tower, bot rune is safer to get (unless dire sacrifices vision for bot lane), plus the concave cliff means ranged heroes and puj have more room to maneuver. there's more like the stacking easy camp, easier tp ganks, better ward spots top that cover rune and the mid/top gank path, etc easier and safer safe lane - you have vision into the jungle on the left. also in order to towerdive bot dire has to walk through a wall of no vision easier to gank dire's safe lane - they don't have as much vision into the jungle | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
10 minutes later, we were 10 kills to their 1. Proceeded to harass their fountain and farm kills til the 25-minute mark as punishment. May sound cruel and over-the-top, but they were really assholes for not letting us pause. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On October 30 2012 06:26 Torte de Lini wrote: Just had some asshole unpause all our pauses at the start every 3 seconds. 10 minutes later, we were 10 kills to their 1. Proceeded to harass their fountain and farm kills til the 25-minute mark as punishment. May sound cruel and over-the-top, but they were really assholes for not letting us pause. to be honest I see that happening a lot nowadays and it doesn't bother me anymore. Pausing has become a fucking nusiance in pubs. Every game has so many fucking pauses it's starting to make me side with the BM people. I can't go a game with out people pausing all the damn time. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
One quick question for you: What 2 wards together for radiant provide: Rune Vision, Pull block AND Danger lane vision? On top of that, dire can get a bonus hard-camp block out of these 2 wards, although that gives away your ward spot. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34505 Posts
On October 30 2012 06:43 Sn0_Man wrote: @ dead9 I guess we agree to disagree. One quick question for you: What 2 wards together for radiant provide: Rune Vision, Pull block AND Danger lane vision? On top of that, dire can get a bonus hard-camp block out of these 2 wards, although that gives away your ward spot. Well, winrates are almost exactly 50:50, so something must be working right. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
I play dota 2, people intentionally grief me on my team. i play lol with 2 friends, the other 2 guys on my team intentionally grief me i play online chess, the guy chatting to me about how i should go kill myself ect ect ect and spamming. WTF? | ||
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Firebolt145
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On October 30 2012 06:47 PrinceXizor wrote: why is the community in EVERY game so trash today. -.- nothing but complete assholes in every game. and i mean literally every game. I play dota 2, people intentionally grief me on my team. i play lol with 2 friends, the other 2 guys on my team intentionally grief me i play online chess, the guy chatting to me about how i should go kill myself ect ect ect and spamming. WTF? the whole world hates you and everything is terrible | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
blocking the hard camp is rarely a good idea either way that's a bad comparison, radiant mid is really hard to gank from top, dire mid is really hard to gank from bot. radiant mid is gankable from bot and dire mid is gankable from top, but dire is easier to gank there it's a lot of little things that add up. it's really noticable on some heroes, for example pudge is noticably easier to play radi mid than dire mid because of the concave cliff and downhill vision on bot rune edit: typo | ||
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Kasto
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Appendix
Sweden979 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
And yeah, pudge is a funny hero. I agree, he has a better laning phase on radiant. And yes, I prefaced the entire discussion with acknowledgement of the 50-50 winrate and I think IceFrog has done a fine job. I'm just curious as to other people's thoughts because I genuinely feel (very slightly) ahead when I play dire. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On October 30 2012 06:55 Appendix wrote: maybe if icefrog just mirrored the map and introduced some second kind of roshan. Would be lame | ||
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