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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
On October 27 2012 20:28 Unleashing wrote: No it wont, even with 200 mana cost it'd still be broken. It'd just make soulring/mana boots core on him. There's still the cooldown. If it was as long as Black Hole that might be OK. | ||
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
Queing for -cm only at the moment to get rid of that complete brainfart ultimate. Pretty funny seeing maelk getting ganked by a solo PA, would safely TP out, but then LOL STAMPEDE. Then proceeds to go to steam friendlist and messages IceFrog "Stampede?! what the hell" - I think IceFrog already has a million mails complaining about that. | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
I think it's similiar as to how a year ago in dota 2 NS/AM were, seemed totally broken because nobody knew how to counter them. ( i'm speaking about pubs ) | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
On October 27 2012 20:55 Andr3 wrote: While Centaur's ulti seems too strong to me I think a notable factor is that people don't really know how to play against him yet. The new ulti with his old spells makes up for an insane combo... I think it's similiar as to how a year ago in dota 2 NS/AM were, seemed totally broken because nobody knew how to counter them. ( i'm speaking about pubs ) I think this is different. It's the concept of the spell that's already completely stupid. It's a global surge with unitwalking at a 65 sec CD and 50 manacost, which affects all your allies and their units. This alone already sounds like a freaking good spell already. But on top of that every enemy unit, that get's touched is stunned for 1.25 seconds and is damaged for 200 [at level 3] + 2x the str of a hero, with the highest str growth in the whole game, who also naturally goes for even more str items like HoT, AoM, Halberd and whatnot and also has another AoE stun to follow up with this one. Let me repeat that it is global! So you can give your teammates a stun, who normally wouldn't even have one. Wanna tp away from a BS ganking you? Well too bad he as access to a stun now. The global surge with zero unit collision alone would already make an awesome ulti. The rest is just complete bs. @ above: Jungle him. Get tranquils, aoe flashfarm stacked camps with double edge, get a quick hood or blinkdagger if you desire to do so. His farmspeed is quite good. After level 6 the ball just starts rolling. He definetly will be a top pick. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
On October 27 2012 21:09 Talron wrote: I think this is different. It's the concept of the spell that's already completely stupid. It's a global surge with unitwalking at a 65 sec CD and 50 manacost, which affects all your allies and their units. This alone already sounds like a freaking good spell already. But on top of that every enemy unit, that get's touched is stunned for 1.25 seconds and is damaged for 200 [at level 3] + 2x the str of a hero, with the highest str growth in the whole game, who also naturally goes for even more str items like HoT, AoM, Halberd and whatnot and also has another AoE stun to follow up with this one. Let me repeat that it is global! So you can give your teammates a stun, who normally wouldn't even have one. Wanna tp away from a BS ganking you? Well too bad he as access to a stun now. The global surge with zero unit collision alone would already make an awesome ulti. The rest is just complete bs. Tossing around statistics of a level 3 ultimate is not really relevant, everything sounds broken like that. What is much more important is that it's 65 seconds on level 1. I'm fine with the ultimate as it is on level 16, but having it almost the same on level 6 is the problem. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
And stop theorycrafting already lol, I'm sure Icefrog is busy testing new changes RIGHT now | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On October 27 2012 21:09 Talron wrote: I think this is different. It's the concept of the spell that's already completely stupid. It's a global surge with unitwalking at a 65 sec CD and 50 manacost, which affects all your allies and their units. This alone already sounds like a freaking good spell already. But on top of that every enemy unit, that get's touched is stunned for 1.25 seconds and is damaged for 200 [at level 3] + 2x the str of a hero, with the highest str growth in the whole game, who also naturally goes for even more str items like HoT, AoM, Halberd and whatnot and also has another AoE stun to follow up with this one. Let me repeat that it is global! So you can give your teammates a stun, who normally wouldn't even have one. Wanna tp away from a BS ganking you? Well too bad he as access to a stun now. The global surge with zero unit collision alone would already make an awesome ulti. The rest is just complete bs. @ above: Jungle him. Get tranquils, aoe flashfarm stacked camps with double edge, get a quick hood or blinkdagger if you desire to do so. His farmspeed is quite good. After level 6 the ball just starts rolling. the either the stun or the global aspect needs to go immediatly. imho best first step would be to just make it a aoe effect around him. but global stun dmg surge phase is a joke. | ||
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Fwizzz
Philippines4420 Posts
Also new Silencer is good. Really liking him. | ||
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akatama
Romania982 Posts
Aside that, cent is as strong in lane as he used to. 350 magic damage burst at lvl 3 (about 260 damage after reduction), add maybe 150 magic dmg from your partener's stun (another 110 damage after reduction) and you get over 350 damage after reduction just from abilities. At level 3. A couple of whacks and anyone without a huge base str or armor is going to die. Does Stampede work with allied Chen creeps, HotD dominated ones or Sylla's bear? | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
Anything sounds strong if you theorycraft guys (Global refraction anyone?). Give it some time. Play the game and get used to it. Complaining gets you no where. | ||
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Kasto
473 Posts
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pap0t
Philippines279 Posts
i just owned a stupid as OP drow :p with a sniper. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On October 27 2012 22:11 LAN-f34r wrote: To be fair, comparing centaurs winrate to, for example, TAs, isn't quite fair. Imagine if ursa got buffed to have ~70% WR in pubs - he would probably be just a good pick. Centaur has a similar factor - tanky, bursty, scales pretty well, and unintentionally helps his team - but with a weakness of being kited. Not only that, but his ult is completely new, so there is no way to research how to counter it. Anything sounds strong if you theorycraft guys (Global refraction anyone?). Give it some time. Play the game and get used to it. Complaining gets you no where. looooooooooool kiting a guy that can move at max move speed with unitwalking + stuns galore? Good luck with that. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34505 Posts
On October 27 2012 22:11 LAN-f34r wrote: To be fair, comparing centaurs winrate to, for example, TAs, isn't quite fair. Imagine if ursa got buffed to have ~70% WR in pubs - he would probably be just a good pick. Centaur has a similar factor - tanky, bursty, scales pretty well, and unintentionally helps his team - but with a weakness of being kited. Not only that, but his ult is completely new, so there is no way to research how to counter it. Anything sounds strong if you theorycraft guys (Global refraction anyone?). Give it some time. Play the game and get used to it. Complaining gets you no where. How do you kite stampede? Blink is also core on Centaur. :/ | ||
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Mythra
New Zealand274 Posts
http://i.imgur.com/vY2Qm.jpg stampede cooldown increased duration rescaled manacost increase and damage rework | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34505 Posts
On October 27 2012 23:02 Mythra wrote: well according to maelks stream icefrog is nerfing cent today or something http://i.imgur.com/vY2Qm.jpg stampede cooldown increased duration rescaled manacost increase and damage rework Not enough. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
You must be joking, right? We haven't played with him yet post nerf yet, adn already not enough? | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34505 Posts
On October 27 2012 23:19 cecek wrote: :D You must be joking, right? You haven't seen a single number and already not enough? There are numbers there. Did you not open the image? lol ninja edit | ||
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