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Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
September 11 2012 03:50 GMT
#20141
On September 11 2012 11:38 EchoZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 11:06 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 11 2012 10:53 xsksc wrote:
Thanks for the tips!
Which support hero would you say is fairly noob friendly to start off with?

lich.


I'll say venge as well.


Tidehunter!
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
September 11 2012 04:06 GMT
#20142
Venomancer is a good choice too.
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
September 11 2012 04:15 GMT
#20143
On September 11 2012 09:25 BurningSera wrote:
ember spirit is a batman. If you missed the QQ period of those new heroes, check this one out from PD forum, remember to click on his expansion pack.

hahaha quote from that thread, where they are whining on too many escape skills on all the new heroes, courtesy of Draba:
"The new heroes are just the product of evolution. The only puny little dipshits that lived to reproduce were the ones that could run from Leo fast enough( screaming like a little girl, of course )."
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
September 11 2012 04:19 GMT
#20144
On September 11 2012 10:39 xsksc wrote:
I've played quite a few hours vs bots now, and I still haven't played an online game yet cause I'm so bad, lol. It's pretty intimidating not knowing what 80% of the hero abilities/items do. :<
I'm going to play support, I think... but the whole neutral creep pulling thing that I've seen support players do on streams looks super confusing, will I get raged at if I don't do that stuff properly? Any tips for a first time support player?

So I manned up and queue'd for a game.. and I actually thouroughly enjoyed myself.
I was playing Lich, his ult does a tonnnn of damage when they're bunched up, thank you whoever suggested him. :p

Anyway, in this game I had to go in the long top lane with some hero I'd never even heard of, Shadow Shaman.
He had loads of CC (including some kind of supression?), and he was quite a good player, so we got plenty of kills.
I tried to follow some item build guide I'd read about Lich in the pre-game, but I kinda forgot half of it.XD
I went Tranquil boots and a Mekansm then basically just spammed wards and bought some stealth revealing dust to deal with their annoying Bounty Hunter.

Game result pic is in the spoiler cause it's kinda big. I tried not to take kills from my carries, but the way that Lich's ult bounces around it's hard not to.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
September 11 2012 04:22 GMT
#20145
That feeling when you have a team that follows up on initiation so well. 4:1 protect vs 4:1 protect, I had one of the best games that Ive had in a while.

At the end of the game I was like "COMMENDS FOR EVERYONE!" Such a fun game, everyone knew how to have fun and have a good laugh. Thats what the fck Dota2 is about.
Skol
SirMilford
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1269 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 04:36:38
September 11 2012 04:36 GMT
#20146
On September 11 2012 13:19 xsksc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 10:39 xsksc wrote:
I've played quite a few hours vs bots now, and I still haven't played an online game yet cause I'm so bad, lol. It's pretty intimidating not knowing what 80% of the hero abilities/items do. :<
I'm going to play support, I think... but the whole neutral creep pulling thing that I've seen support players do on streams looks super confusing, will I get raged at if I don't do that stuff properly? Any tips for a first time support player?

So I manned up and queue'd for a game.. and I actually thouroughly enjoyed myself.
I was playing Lich, his ult does a tonnnn of damage when they're bunched up, thank you whoever suggested him. :p

Anyway, in this game I had to go in the long top lane with some hero I'd never even heard of, Shadow Shaman.
He had loads of CC (including some kind of supression?), and he was quite a good player, so we got plenty of kills.
I tried to follow some item build guide I'd read about Lich in the pre-game, but I kinda forgot half of it.XD
I went Tranquil boots and a Mekansm then basically just spammed wards and bought some stealth revealing dust to deal with their annoying Bounty Hunter.

Game result pic is in the spoiler cause it's kinda big. I tried not to take kills from my carries, but the way that Lich's ult bounces around it's hard not to.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Nice work man. You are allowed to have more than 7 last hits though, if you hadn't won the lane/fights so handily you probably would feel completely worthless.

One trick with lich is to sit around where the creeps spawn, and instantly use your deny move. This will mean its obviously off CD faster and you can deny more in the longer run.

1 other thing, you should try and build a wand on pretty much every hero. It gains a charge per each spell cast by enemies around you, and then you can use it to heal based on the number of charges that the wand contains. It is the upgrade of the magic stick that you can buy in the side shop.

EDIT: ALSO remember that your ulti has a mini-stun so you can use it to cancel tp's in a pinch.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
September 11 2012 04:47 GMT
#20147
On September 11 2012 13:36 SirMilford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 13:19 xsksc wrote:
On September 11 2012 10:39 xsksc wrote:
I've played quite a few hours vs bots now, and I still haven't played an online game yet cause I'm so bad, lol. It's pretty intimidating not knowing what 80% of the hero abilities/items do. :<
I'm going to play support, I think... but the whole neutral creep pulling thing that I've seen support players do on streams looks super confusing, will I get raged at if I don't do that stuff properly? Any tips for a first time support player?

So I manned up and queue'd for a game.. and I actually thouroughly enjoyed myself.
I was playing Lich, his ult does a tonnnn of damage when they're bunched up, thank you whoever suggested him. :p

Anyway, in this game I had to go in the long top lane with some hero I'd never even heard of, Shadow Shaman.
He had loads of CC (including some kind of supression?), and he was quite a good player, so we got plenty of kills.
I tried to follow some item build guide I'd read about Lich in the pre-game, but I kinda forgot half of it.XD
I went Tranquil boots and a Mekansm then basically just spammed wards and bought some stealth revealing dust to deal with their annoying Bounty Hunter.

Game result pic is in the spoiler cause it's kinda big. I tried not to take kills from my carries, but the way that Lich's ult bounces around it's hard not to.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Nice work man. You are allowed to have more than 7 last hits though, if you hadn't won the lane/fights so handily you probably would feel completely worthless.

One trick with lich is to sit around where the creeps spawn, and instantly use your deny move. This will mean its obviously off CD faster and you can deny more in the longer run.

1 other thing, you should try and build a wand on pretty much every hero. It gains a charge per each spell cast by enemies around you, and then you can use it to heal based on the number of charges that the wand contains. It is the upgrade of the magic stick that you can buy in the side shop.

EDIT: ALSO remember that your ulti has a mini-stun so you can use it to cancel tp's in a pinch.


The ministun on chain frost happens when its cast, not when it lands for further clarification.
High Risk Low Reward
SirMilford
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1269 Posts
September 11 2012 04:58 GMT
#20148
On September 11 2012 13:47 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 13:36 SirMilford wrote:
On September 11 2012 13:19 xsksc wrote:
On September 11 2012 10:39 xsksc wrote:
I've played quite a few hours vs bots now, and I still haven't played an online game yet cause I'm so bad, lol. It's pretty intimidating not knowing what 80% of the hero abilities/items do. :<
I'm going to play support, I think... but the whole neutral creep pulling thing that I've seen support players do on streams looks super confusing, will I get raged at if I don't do that stuff properly? Any tips for a first time support player?

So I manned up and queue'd for a game.. and I actually thouroughly enjoyed myself.
I was playing Lich, his ult does a tonnnn of damage when they're bunched up, thank you whoever suggested him. :p

Anyway, in this game I had to go in the long top lane with some hero I'd never even heard of, Shadow Shaman.
He had loads of CC (including some kind of supression?), and he was quite a good player, so we got plenty of kills.
I tried to follow some item build guide I'd read about Lich in the pre-game, but I kinda forgot half of it.XD
I went Tranquil boots and a Mekansm then basically just spammed wards and bought some stealth revealing dust to deal with their annoying Bounty Hunter.

Game result pic is in the spoiler cause it's kinda big. I tried not to take kills from my carries, but the way that Lich's ult bounces around it's hard not to.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Nice work man. You are allowed to have more than 7 last hits though, if you hadn't won the lane/fights so handily you probably would feel completely worthless.

One trick with lich is to sit around where the creeps spawn, and instantly use your deny move. This will mean its obviously off CD faster and you can deny more in the longer run.

1 other thing, you should try and build a wand on pretty much every hero. It gains a charge per each spell cast by enemies around you, and then you can use it to heal based on the number of charges that the wand contains. It is the upgrade of the magic stick that you can buy in the side shop.

EDIT: ALSO remember that your ulti has a mini-stun so you can use it to cancel tp's in a pinch.


The ministun on chain frost happens when its cast, not when it lands for further clarification.


Also I am 80percent sure it goes through BKB. Good for catching those pesky BKB users.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
September 11 2012 05:00 GMT
#20149
Haha, I came from League of legends, where taking farm as the support is a pretty big no-no. Bit of a habit, I guess. :p
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 05:06:39
September 11 2012 05:04 GMT
#20150
It still is in dota, but shadow shaman isn't really a hard carry. You can still get farm from creep pulling.
SirMilford
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1269 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 05:07:55
September 11 2012 05:07 GMT
#20151
On September 11 2012 14:00 xsksc wrote:
Haha, I came from League of legends, where taking farm as the support is a pretty big no-no. Bit of a habit, I guess. :p

Its not the same as league, there is no such thing as gold per ten so whatever happens you will end up behind in a HUGE way in dota with 0 farm. Try to keep stacking/pulling creeps in the jungle if you are bot lane as radiant/top lane as dire. Try to take creeps that your carry can't get. If you see a free lane that your carry is not in, go there and farm while carrying a TP incase you are actually needed.

lich is fairly hard to "flash" farm with due to the nuke being pretty horrible farming tool, but if needed you can go jungle and kill the small creep camp over and over while stealing mana from lane creeps.

xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
September 11 2012 05:09 GMT
#20152
Hmm yeah good point, I was in the longer top lane as radiant, wasn't sure where to pull the creeps from so I didn't do it at all.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 05:16:30
September 11 2012 05:13 GMT
#20153
Go visit the adopt a noob thread! Many people will help you.

Edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365025
Dear Sixsmith...
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
September 11 2012 05:16 GMT
#20154
Visible mmr

Random anyway

Obtain teammate raaaaage.
WriterXiao8~~
kaykaykay
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore637 Posts
September 11 2012 05:17 GMT
#20155
Is Valve's full documentary out yet?
Starve the ego, feed the soul.
SirMilford
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1269 Posts
September 11 2012 05:29 GMT
#20156
On September 11 2012 14:17 kaykaykay wrote:
Is Valve's full documentary out yet?

No not just yet. valve sucks at releasing things.

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including my techies
SirMilford
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1269 Posts
September 11 2012 05:47 GMT
#20157
Why do queen of pains go 2 into Shadowstrike these days? is it just for the harrasement or is there more to it than that. I guess the slow+right clicks might add up to more than the burst?
kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
September 11 2012 05:56 GMT
#20158
On September 11 2012 14:47 SirMilford wrote:
Why do queen of pains go 2 into Shadowstrike these days? is it just for the harrasement or is there more to it than that. I guess the slow+right clicks might add up to more than the burst?


2 in shadowstrike is enough to stop a salve, 1 isnt
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 11 2012 05:57 GMT
#20159
And yes, it's very good in lane if you want to beat someone for sure.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
September 11 2012 05:58 GMT
#20160
On September 11 2012 14:47 SirMilford wrote:
Why do queen of pains go 2 into Shadowstrike these days? is it just for the harrasement or is there more to it than that. I guess the slow+right clicks might add up to more than the burst?


Shadowstrike qop can control mid lane very easily. If he sees you going for a rune, hell just blink past you and/or Shadowstrike, and not to mention that the dot hurts like a bitch very early game.

One of the few heroes I hate midding against.
Skol
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