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SirMilford

Australia1269 Posts

September 11 2012 06:09 GMT

#20161

On September 11 2012 14:56 kdgns wrote:

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2 in shadowstrike is enough to stop a salve, 1 isnt

Ah right. That makes sense.

Kind of like pudges level1 rot/ axe's low level battlehunger right? You can just pot through them. Probably one of the funniest things you can do in dota is 1v1 a level1rot pudge and just pot while he isn't attacking you. He won't want to draw the creep agro by hitting you and you can pot through the rot damage.

Stancel

Singapore15360 Posts

September 11 2012 06:26 GMT

#20162

On September 11 2012 14:56 kdgns wrote:

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2 in shadowstrike is enough to stop a salve, 1 isnt

What do you mean?

Shai

Canada806 Posts

September 11 2012 06:32 GMT

#20163

From the wiki about Healing Salve:

"Will not be dispelled if the damage is less than 20 after reductions. HP Removal based spells will also not dispel it. "

This was true in Dota 1 and is true in Dota 2.

Nevuk

United States16280 Posts

September 11 2012 06:34 GMT

#20164

Pretty sure one in salve is enough to stop a salve. It's 30 magic damage, 30 *.75 = 22.5.

It takes more than 20 real damage to cancel a salve/bottle regen. There's some other obscure rules like Pudge rot doesn't cancel salves until level 4, apparently.

edit: There are reasons to go 2 in SS, the main one being that it makes the CD effectively the same as the duration. The damage increase is nice as is the 30% slow. The slow from SS may guarantee kills in other lanes more effectively than the burst from scream. It's just that all regen (from runes/bottles/salves) gets canceled by level one SS, that's not why people are doing it.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

September 11 2012 06:36 GMT

#20165

On September 11 2012 15:32 Shai wrote:
From the wiki about Healing Salve:

"Will not be dispelled if the damage is less than 20 after reductions. HP Removal based spells will also not dispel it. "

This was true in Dota 1 and is true in Dota 2.

Shadow Strike is 30 damage per tick at rank 1 though. Even with heroes' base 25% reduction that's more than enough to stop salves.

cilinder007

Slovenia7251 Posts

September 11 2012 06:36 GMT

#20166

and yet qop's shadow strike does 30 duration dmg and 50 initial dmg, so I really dont know why it shouldnt stop healing salve

Nevuk

United States16280 Posts

September 11 2012 06:42 GMT

#20167

Another reason people might be doing it is that her scream aoe got changed a while back to be the same at every level. Level 2 scream is 165 damage while level 3 is 225. Level 2 SS gives you +25 initial damage and + 50 damage over time in addition to a CD reduction (to 16 seconds) and 10% slow increase. So going level 2 SS gives you more damage in theory, just less burst.

In 6.73 -
Scream of Pain AoE increased from 400/425/450/475 to 475.

SirMilford

Australia1269 Posts

September 11 2012 06:45 GMT

#20168

On September 11 2012 15:34 Nevuk wrote:
Pretty sure one in salve is enough to stop a salve. It's 30 magic damage, 30 *.75 = 22.5.

It takes more than 20 real damage to cancel a salve/bottle regen. There's some other obscure rules like Pudge rot doesn't cancel salves until level 4, apparently.

edit: There are reasons to go 2 in SS, the main one being that it makes the CD effectively the same as the duration. The damage increase is nice as is the 30% slow. The slow from SS may guarantee kills in other lanes more effectively than the burst from scream. It's just that all regen gets canceled by level one SS, that's not why people are doing it.

Ah alright. The CD sounds like a good enough reason to do it.

How about getting scream @ 6 instaed of ulti? Or is that just mana problems/bottle flying etc. 2 in dagger 1 in blink 3 in scream is290 mana verse 2 dagger 1 blink 2 scream 1 ulti which is 530.

Daamge is 300 vs 590 though. I can't decide.

EDIT: ye but that is single target.. if you max Q you will always have more single target over time.

Itsmedudeman

United States19229 Posts

September 11 2012 06:48 GMT

#20169

Eh, it's mostly preference but after trying both I prefer going up to level 4 sonar scream first. A lot less mana, can clear creep waves easier, etc. It's a really short cd too so if you're ganking you can still get another scream in with shadowstrike on the target.

lucysun

9 Posts

September 11 2012 06:55 GMT

#20170

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Elasticity

3420 Posts

September 11 2012 06:59 GMT

#20171

^can we ban this guy

SirMilford

Australia1269 Posts

September 11 2012 07:12 GMT

#20172

Well he should be banned, just spamming like crazy.

Spicy_Curry

United States10573 Posts

September 11 2012 07:18 GMT

#20173

What hero is that anyway? Potm?

SirMilford

Australia1269 Posts

September 11 2012 07:19 GMT

#20174

I think its generic elf #15. Potm would be closest though

rabidch

United States20289 Posts

September 11 2012 07:27 GMT

#20175

On September 11 2012 16:12 SirMilford wrote:
Well he should be banned, just spamming like crazy.

he or it is advertising the website link through the image

Gosi

Sweden9072 Posts

September 11 2012 08:20 GMT

#20176

What do you guys think about visible KD/R? In a way, I would dig if most stats were hidden in retail even though a true ELO/MMR ranking system would be fun. I found the KD/R and true MMR system to be absolutely awful in HoN however. I played up to like ~1780 MMR and the focus was more on saving your personal stats and make them look good rather than playing as a team and win the game for MMR points.

Unleashing

Denmark14978 Posts

September 11 2012 08:25 GMT

#20177

I prefer no visible stats, if someone wants to know their KD/R they can check dotabuff and such, ingame it just makes people judge people by their KD/R, ontop of that KD/R makes no fucking sense because what if someone primarily plays supports? Yea his KD/R will fucking suck.
I played HoN for a while and only played support with friends, anytime i played on my own i'd be judged because apparently not having a good KD/R as a support player made me a bad player.

Bash

Finland1533 Posts

September 11 2012 09:18 GMT

#20178

Yeah the volume of stats available in HoN made some games go to shit before the pick even started...

Elasticity

3420 Posts

September 11 2012 09:21 GMT

#20179

valve say they filter players by percentile. I think that info should be released (i.e in which percentile are you in, like top 1% of total players). How they filter players souldnt be realeased tho, coz some might abuse the knowledge to get higher where they dont belong.

fuzzy_panda

New Zealand1681 Posts

September 11 2012 09:48 GMT

#20180

Hey guys I just started playing Dota 2 and have been reading the guides and stuff, but one thing that confuses me coming from LoL is the tower aggro. Can anyone explain to me how that works? Like sometimes I can be pushing a tower, there's no enemy heroes nearby (so i cant have accidentally hit them), theres plenty of friendly creeps around and i'm auto-attacking the tower, but sometimes the tower suddenly starts attacking me. how does that work?