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Did he really say Nestea and Rainbow are overated?
They have achieved so much more than him... and showed stronger plays.
I like IdrA's blunt attitude, but sometimes I think he is a little bit off in his assessments. He probably thinks hes better than these players despite going out early each GSL, and all three of the players he lost to promptly lost in the next round.
I don't understand the connection between having an opinion and having to be better than the person to have that opinion of them.
I mean if that is the case than this forum wouldn't exist, as it is pretty much 1000s of people deciding who is good and who isn't and they are nowhere near their skill level. Idra is as close as we get to the inside the game point of view in Korean. Most of the time and it is a great point of view from a high level player who is competing at that level(this will hopefully change now that there are more foreign players there but for a while it was just Idra). He is clearly a skilled enough player to assess the other players around Korea so it isn't like he is some hack spouting out his opinions. Like it or not he is right most of the time.
The guy has done more than enough to be credible, he has accomplished plenty, and I for one am glad he is willing to just say it as it is and not sugercoat everything which gets so old in this PC world we are in.
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On December 10 2010 12:38 FLuE wrote:Show nested quote +Did he really say Nestea and Rainbow are overated?
They have achieved so much more than him... and showed stronger plays.
I like IdrA's blunt attitude, but sometimes I think he is a little bit off in his assessments. He probably thinks hes better than these players despite going out early each GSL, and all three of the players he lost to promptly lost in the next round.
I don't understand the connection between having an opinion and having to be better than the person to have that opinion of them. I mean if that is the case than this forum wouldn't exist, as it is pretty much 1000s of people deciding who is good and who isn't and they are nowhere near their skill level. Idra is as close as we get to the inside the game point of view in Korean. Most of the time and it is a great point of view from a high level player who is competing at that level(this will hopefully change now that there are more foreign players there but for a while it was just Idra). He is clearly a skilled enough player to assess the other players around Korea so it isn't like he is some hack spouting out his opinions. Like it or not he is right most of the time. The guy has done more than enough to be credible, he has accomplished plenty, and I for one am glad he is willing to just say it as it is and not sugercoat everything which gets so old in this PC world we are in.
If what you say is true then IdrA should also think himself to be an absolute failure and terrible player which I personally dont believe at all and I really doubt he thinks that about himself.
Say what you like about IdrA's opponents but they have not been impressive in the GSL. Mvp looked lost in the next set vs choya, lotze got beat badly and never seen again.. and Zenio lost in straight sets to the 'overated' Nestea.
I like his frank opinions and enjoy watching him play but I really think he exaggerates a whole lot.
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IdrA has still proven plenty that his opinions are fairly accurate. So lets take a few seconds and appreciate all the awesome that is IdrA.
He has taken home more SC2 prize money than any other foreigner to date.
He has consistently gotten into the playoff rounds of GSL.
He does his part to contribute to the game-wide strategy trending.
He gives us countless hours of entertainment through his BM, raging, and general unpleasantness.
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If what you say is true then IdrA should also think himself to be an absolute failure and terrible player which I personally dont believe at all and I really doubt he thinks that about himself.
Say what you like about IdrA's opponents but they have not been impressive in the GSL. Mvp looked lost in the next set vs choya, lotze got beat badly and never seen again.. and Zenio lost in straight sets to the 'overated' Nestea.
I like his frank opinions and enjoy watching him play but I really think he exaggerates a whole lot.
What are you talking about? I was simply making the comment that you can have an opinion on someone you don't have to be better than them to have that opinion, it can still be valid. I think you are misunderstanding what I wrote to be honest, because your response seems to make 0 sense to me.
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Can someone post a korean translation to their site and telling them what idra thinks about how bad the some of the pro gamers are..??? I would love to see their reaction in the forthcoming matches.. hahah
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On December 10 2010 14:11 Jermstuddog wrote:
IdrA has still proven plenty that his opinions are fairly accurate. So lets take a few seconds and appreciate all the awesome that is IdrA.
He has proven he is not as solid as the players he disses...
I doubt idra will ever be good enough to win a gsl, for the simple reason that he's not a allround player and super predictable.
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^perhaps (actually I would be very surprised if he actually won GSL, since next time it's pure Code S), but that does not make him any less of a worthy critic of the SC2 scene since he actually lives it. He doesn't need to be better than players to say they aren't good or are overrated.
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On December 10 2010 15:24 FLuE wrote:Show nested quote +If what you say is true then IdrA should also think himself to be an absolute failure and terrible player which I personally dont believe at all and I really doubt he thinks that about himself.
Say what you like about IdrA's opponents but they have not been impressive in the GSL. Mvp looked lost in the next set vs choya, lotze got beat badly and never seen again.. and Zenio lost in straight sets to the 'overated' Nestea.
I like his frank opinions and enjoy watching him play but I really think he exaggerates a whole lot. What are you talking about? I was simply making the comment that you can have an opinion on someone you don't have to be better than them to have that opinion, it can still be valid. I think you are misunderstanding what I wrote to be honest, because your response seems to make 0 sense to me.
He understood you perfectly but you don't seem to understand.
I absolutly agree that you can have an opinion on peoples skill even if they are better then you. But if X says Y is a bad player but Y is better than X (I'm beeing hypothetical here, cause that's always arguable), then you would have to consider X an even worse player.
Now you have to understand that if I (some random sc2 nerd) would say Y is bad and Y is a progamer, I would of course mean he is bad in the context of being a progamer/top lever player and I am of course worse. But if X (a pro gamer himself) says the same thing about Y you really have to wonder, what would that make X?
Just trying to make the above discussion clear, I'm not commenting on who I think is the better player and I love that Idra always says what he thinks.
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Idra has really good music on the streams. And about who is overrated on who is not, we will see next year the gsl, when ppl will know how to counter better the all ins or rushes, and we will see longer and more skill related matches then this year. Idra is good in longer games, maybe even the Nestea or Rainbow, he deservers an opinion. I started to like this guy even if first i disliked he, he seems to be full of him, but turned out he is pretty good. Yeah he don`t win any GSL and don`t even BO8 but he has Code S, that means allot, he is constant and he is better and better. GG Idra!
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well at least idra seems to have predicted the results correctly ...
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This is why I love IdrA he's just brutally honest and more often than not pretty damn accurate. thanks for the video.
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Love interviews with Idra. Especially love watching him beat Zenio pretty convincingly in the replay video  Looks like his ZvZ has improved a lot.
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150$/hour coaching seems he lost not only the game also his mind
He can't be serious that his work is worth this.Most comes from training and not a guy telling you that this is map is sooooooooooo terran favoured.
Well, people who do this deserve it anyways
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On December 11 2010 05:56 alonndo wrote:
150$/hour coaching seems he lost not only the game also his mind
He can't be serious that his work is worth this.Most comes from training and not a guy telling you that this is map is sooooooooooo terran favoured.
Well, people who do this deserve it anyways
Idra explained why it's $150 / hour on State of the Game
he does not want to spend a lot of his time on coaching, so the $150 / hour price tag eliminates a very large portion of people who are interested in receiving Starcraft coaching.
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"You do Roach/Ling all-ins and sometimes u look like genius, and sometimes u get beat by Hong-un.Prime" LOL, Idra brings his joke-boots to the interview!
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Why do people still hate on IdrA? Honestly, he's probably the coolest pro gamer around right now. You would charge $150 an hour for coaching if you actually valued your time (or you had fans that would actually pay that much, LOL). And watching his stream is better than Christmas.
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Always love watching these interviews - thanks guys!
"Sometimes you look like a genius, sometimes you lose to HongUnPrime." LOL
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You guys are making too big a deal about Idra's bluntness. Those are his observations, not every good player has to be humble and say "Oh Nestea is so good, oh rainbow is so good".
His observations about certain players are interesting and provide an insight to what a good SC2 player's impressions of korean sc2 players are like from personal experience, it doesn't have to be absolutely true.
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On December 11 2010 03:00 crms wrote:
This is why I love IdrA he's just brutally honest and more often than not pretty damn accurate. thanks for the video.
What is honest about saying some1 who won gsl is bad? When he could never do that himself?
That's just being a hater :D.
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