Trevor ‘TorcH‘ Housten qualified to the Round of 64 in GSL1, but failed to qualify for GSL 3 after he lost in the semifinals of his bracket. However, as a foreigner he still managed to achieve Code A designation in GomTV and now has been recruited by Korean Pro Team Startale. Startale boasts top Koreans such as JulyZerg and HopeTorture, and is part of the new union of Korean pro teams.
TorcH still intends to be active in the VT Gaming community, though the details of his representation is still to be determined.
I don't think anybody expected that to happen :p Congratulations TorcH!
from the man himself:
On November 18 2010 23:05 TorcH wrote: Hey everyone,
First, thank you all for the support it really means a lot. In response to the criticisms, I agree with all of them on some level and will address them specificly as soon as I can.
As for what is actually going on; I don't really know either. Everything is happening very quickly (including other events that I can't talk about publicly yet) and the language barrier makes it difficult for me to even know what the state of everything is.
What I can say is I am living/training in the Startale house for the rest of my stay this trip to Korea and will be returning to KR very soon (December or January). As for whether I am an actual member of Startale or just a practice partner, the only thing I know definitively is that they had me change my ID to http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/1971260/1/스타테일토치/ (StartaleTorcH in Hangul).
congratulations! i'm not sure if vT is a clan or a team, but if it's both then I'm sure he can still represent vT while at the same time being part of startale, sort of like how Genius is in NsP as a clan and ZeNEX as a team.
I presume this means Torch is staying in Korea to compete in the Code A GSLs in 2011 (and hopefully win his way into Code S)? If so that's awesome. Torch is one of those guys who's a great speaker and face for esports.
I wonder if ST is looking to expand with more foreigners?
On November 18 2010 09:17 Antoine wrote: congratulations! i'm not sure if vT is a clan or a team, but if it's both then I'm sure he can still represent vT while at the same time being part of startale, sort of like how Genius is in NsP as a clan and ZeNEX as a team.
I think vT is a bit like ROOT, a team/clan formed by players looking for sponsors.
Wahhh. Congrats Torch! I was surprised to see him at the new association meeting but then I remembered he really wants progaming to succeed worldwide and he'd be trying to help that along behind the scenes. I guess being part of STARTALE gives him access to the association and perhaps he can help that go the right way and even seep over internationally! O:
Very big grats to TorcH! He's fun to watch, his playstyle is his own and I don't think there are a lot of people that you can say that about. I hope to see him do well in future events.
On November 18 2010 09:23 Scorch wrote: I'm quite surprised. What would Startale gain by recruiting Torch? Not to offend, but there's tons of better players than Torch, also many foreigners.
Well he is talented, and quite dedicated to e-Sports. I really think it has something to do with a foreigner having inside access to the new association, especially given his new coach is the president.
On November 18 2010 09:23 Scorch wrote: I'm quite surprised. What would Startale gain by recruiting Torch? Not to offend, but there's tons of better players than Torch, also many foreigners.
a lot of exposure in western markets, a creative player who they obviously think have potential, etc... i see plenty of reasons.
On November 18 2010 09:23 Scorch wrote: I'm quite surprised. What would Startale gain by recruiting Torch? Not to offend, but there are tons of better players, also many foreigners.
Whilst it may sound harsh I have to agree with this. The recruitment makes very little sense to me.
I'm curious about one thing though. He only managed to qualify for the first GSL, and went out in the round of 64. That was enough to get code A? "As a foreigner"?
On November 18 2010 09:23 Scorch wrote: I'm quite surprised. What would Startale gain by recruiting Torch? Not to offend, but there's tons of better players than Torch, also many foreigners.
a lot of exposure in western markets, a creative player who they obviously think have potential, etc... i see plenty of reasons.
He's also very well spoken. A great representative for a team who's sponsors are looking for a more international profile.
I remember GSL 1 prelims... everybody was like whos this guy? cell phone games champion ? wtf ? but he was actually quite good, all he needs is to boast his macro.
Torch is an extremely smart player, and while his mechanics and execution need a bit of work, thats nothing practicing on hours end with top sc2 korean players can't fix. I wish the best of luck to my fellow teammate and hope to see him again in the future.
On November 18 2010 09:24 Rayeth wrote: Awesome to see Korean teams not being afraid of including foreigners in their rosters. the vT situation aside I hope this is a trend that continues.
Exactly how I feel, this is a great thing. The more foreigners in a progaming environment, the better it is! :D
On November 18 2010 09:20 hmunkey wrote: Is Torch really that good? I haven't seen him perform well beyond getting into GSL 1, the easiest GSL, and not making it far at all.
Congratulations to him anyways.
Its like in every sports, they notice someone with lot of talent in that kind of event,and they want to help it to develop!(And maybe make a bit of profit/fame out of it, but that's normal )
I feel like we'll be hearing more on this topic soon. however, this sounds absolutely awesome. If it's as good as it sounds, I think Torch deserves it.
wow this is one of the most (pleasant) random news ever.
I must admit i was not too impressed by Torch's play whenever i saw him play but i think the man has the dedication to succeed. He went to Korea on his own twice and probably he contacted many teams there to see if he can train with them.
I imagine it was like those scenes in martial arts movie where the guy sat days and nights outside the door of a dojo,braving the snow and rain only to move the heart of the teacher who accepted him as his disciple having previously said that he is not taking one.
On November 18 2010 09:28 Marke wrote: Is this some kind of joke? No ills to torch, but what ive seen I really cant understand why ST would want him, is it cause he is a redhead? ;>
It's because he has a crazy style and shows potential.
@TorcH I'm gonna to go to SKorea in a year and a half so I hope you're still there for us hopeful foreigners who dream of doing what you are doing.
On November 18 2010 09:28 Marke wrote: Is this some kind of joke? No ills to torch, but what ive seen I really cant understand why ST would want him, is it cause he is a redhead? ;>
A coach looking to recruit a project isn't going to look for the guy with strong macro and lacking in creativity, he's going to look for the guy who has that strategic spark that Torch has. Mechanics can be taught, creativity can't be.
On November 18 2010 09:27 Reedy wrote: oh wow watching the XBLGaming steam and apparently vT Gaming have disbanded
I'm not really familiar with them, but http://twitter.com/VTGaming looks normal and updated an hour ago. ???
A coach looking to recruit a project isn't going to look for the guy with strong macro and lacking in creativity, he's going to look for the guy who has that strategic spark that Torch has. Mechanics can be taught, creativity can't be.
I am so confused by this lol Not to take away from this achievement or anything, but if he can get into ST, pretty sure a lot of the foreigner scene could (e.g. people from root, liquid, EG, etc).
I REALLY hope his play improves by leaps and bounds after practicing with the ST guys. Expecting great things. GL torch
Crazy style?. To me the games ive seen with him it just looked that he dident have idea what to do and random shit happend and he lost due to bad macro/micro :/
Every time I see Torch play I'm impressed. He usually loses, but only after squandering some advantage he gained in an amazing way. I also really hope he can manage foreign team membership and sticking with VT for the foreign scene. I think that's a perfect model for aspiring foreign players thinking about Korea and to prompt Korean teams to get involved in the foreign scene if they want to monopolize players.
I'm sorry but what, i hope he does pick a few things up because he does need it. I dont understand why people say hes a crazy/innovation player. Every time i see he does something 'crazy' he loses.
With his interview with artosis about his games vs TLO in MLG. He says he screwed around in game 2 with the nuke rush because he had no chance in beating TLO. I dont think thats the mindset of anyone who wants to go far.
On November 18 2010 09:34 zor.au wrote: I'm sorry but what, i hope he does pick a few things up because he does need it. I dont understand why people say hes a crazy/innovation player. Every time i see he does something 'crazy' he loses.
With his interview with artosis about his games vs TLO in MLG. He says he screwed around in game 2 with the nuke rush because he had no chance in beating TLO. I dont think thats the mindset of anyone who wants to go far.
I don't think anyone doubts Huk's desire to go far.
On November 18 2010 09:34 zor.au wrote: I'm sorry but what, i hope he does pick a few things up because he does need it. I dont understand why people say hes a crazy/innovation player. Every time i see he does something 'crazy' he loses.
With his interview with artosis about his games vs TLO in MLG. He says he screwed around in game 2 with the nuke rush because he had no chance in beating TLO. I dont think thats the mindset of anyone who wants to go far.
HuK basically said and did the same thing when he mothership rushed.
On November 18 2010 09:34 zor.au wrote: I'm sorry but what, i hope he does pick a few things up because he does need it. I dont understand why people say hes a crazy/innovation player. Every time i see he does something 'crazy' he loses.
With his interview with artosis about his games vs TLO in MLG. He says he screwed around in game 2 with the nuke rush because he had no chance in beating TLO. I dont think thats the mindset of anyone who wants to go far.
I don't think anyone doubts Huk's desire to go far.
For those of you who are saying things like "he isn't that great right now" have to realize that he has a lot of motivation to be good at the game and wants to dedicate his future to it. With that kind of attitude, a good coach can get you on the right path to success. I think this is going to be great for him. StarTale is a very good team. Having someone like Rainbow to help him practice and learn from is only going to make him better.
I almost more surprised he got code A for making one round of 64 but still a bit shocked he would be picked up in Korea as hes barely even spent time there outside 2 weeks for GSL1 and now for GSL3.
Ok wait, so how can he be round A yet before GSL3 finishes? Aren't there more than 64 different inividuals over the full 3 seasons? So to have 32 S class and 32 A class, and TorcH has only one Ro64 showing, that's enough?
ro64 is not enough for code A, but the phrase "as a foreigner" makes me curious as to Gom's ranking process...are they giving affirmative action to foreigners as far as qualifying for GSL 2011?
On November 18 2010 09:53 PartyBiscuit wrote: Ok wait, so how can he be round A yet before GSL3 finishes? Aren't there more than 64 different inividuals over the full 3 seasons? So to have 32 S class and 32 A class, and TorcH has only one Ro64 showing, that's enough?
32 get code s and 64 get code A so as long as no more than 96 unique people have qualified for GSL anyone who qualified gets code A
On November 18 2010 09:53 PartyBiscuit wrote: Ok wait, so how can he be round A yet before GSL3 finishes? Aren't there more than 64 different inividuals over the full 3 seasons? So to have 32 S class and 32 A class, and TorcH has only one Ro64 showing, that's enough?
Trevor got the benefit of being in GSL 1 where they gave you Rank 2 for making it to Ro64 where in GSL 2 and GSL 3 you only get Rank 1 for Ro64.
So he is almost 100% going to be in the Top 96 and therefore be Code A.
It is actually smart for teams to get players that are going to earn Code A onto their teams and increase their visibility of their team.
Another thing to consider is he seems to be very well spoken and can help give visibility to the team here in the states and other English speaking areas.
Interesting I am definitely very surprised they picked him up hopefully he can improve his mid/late game as he has some good builds but his transitions are terrible and which is why he loses alot of games he shouldn't
From what i've seen of TorcH I quite like, albeit I haven't really seen him play at all. He seems like he really cares about e-sports and is very well spoken, and well mannered.
On November 18 2010 09:53 PartyBiscuit wrote: Ok wait, so how can he be round A yet before GSL3 finishes? Aren't there more than 64 different inividuals over the full 3 seasons? So to have 32 S class and 32 A class, and TorcH has only one Ro64 showing, that's enough?
32 get code s and 64 get code A so as long as no more than 96 unique people have qualified for GSL anyone who qualified gets code A
Cella was convinced that he didn't get code A though, and he is in pretty much the same situation as TorcH. Qualified for the first GSL, knocked out in the round of 64, didn't qualify for the other two. Not sure what the difference could be. Maybe one of them is mistaken.
This is smart because it makes me want to follow his progress and ST as a whole. And also it breaks the boundaries the way liquid and oGs has. So I approve
There will have been 142 different players I think. So that's only 50 duplicate qualifications over 3 seasons which seems awful small, but I'm pretty sure that I have that correct.
However anyone who loses in Ro64 in GSL 2 or GSL 3 will be behind the players who lost in Ro64 in GSL 1.
So there are only 46 players who have to be eliminated in Ro64 in GSL 2 or GSL 3 for Trevor to be Code A.
Congratulations TorcH! Hope this will you help you keep on with E-Sports. You have the eye and mentality for E-Sports as a whole and not just yourself! Congrats again from everyone at Check Six!
On November 18 2010 10:05 SnowFantasy wrote: idra knows all about those progamer meetings. He had to go to some computer health/safety meeting or something. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42ozRPO6vP4
Anyway, congratulations to TorcH I guess. I didn't expect anything like this to happen. O.o
o.o Wow. I did not see that coming. IN MY OPINION TorcH isn't a very high level player. I'm not saying he isn't good all I am saying is he isn't AS good as others. Regardless. I am still surprised Startale picked up a non-korean player. Pretty amazing in my opinion. Any word if he is staying in Korea or what?
That's awesome news! What a total baller this guy is, Torch must have enormous potential, it can't be easy to qualify for the GSL after hardly any practice. I can't wait to see what he can do after practising with the likes of HopeTorture and JulyZerg.
On November 18 2010 10:22 Mirhi wrote: Wanted to clarify. VT Gaming is not disbanded and in all likelihood, TorcH will still be representing VT Gaming in non-Korean events.
Wouldn't StarTale still want him representing them? Have you guys talked to them about this? Just interested if you worked something out or not. :/
I felt bad after seeing Torch fail again, seeing his slightly disappointing performance in GSL1. Failing a GSL twice in a row must be very heartbreaking, regarding dreams and stuff... but wow he got recruited by ST! Who would have known! I'd have to say i'm jealous ^_^
On November 18 2010 10:22 Mirhi wrote: Wanted to clarify. VT Gaming is not disbanded and in all likelihood, TorcH will still be representing VT Gaming in non-Korean events.
Wouldn't StarTale still want him representing them? Have you guys talked to them about this? Just interested if you worked something out or not. :/
Yeah, seems very weird that he would represent another team outside of Korea...
On November 18 2010 10:22 Mirhi wrote: Wanted to clarify. VT Gaming is not disbanded and in all likelihood, TorcH will still be representing VT Gaming in non-Korean events.
Wouldn't StarTale still want him representing them? Have you guys talked to them about this? Just interested if you worked something out or not. :/
Yeah, seems very weird that he would represent another team outside of Korea...
Nothing is concrete, but it was mentioned as a likely possibility by ST.
lol that GSL3 interview with artosis, torch was pitching VT hardcore so this is definitely a surprise. I'm also surprised torch is the first non-korean to join a korean proteam. Not saying he's bad or anything but there are so many better non-koreans imo.
I did just realize though poor VT they had like some of the best players but they all left for sponsorships or something and still seems to be happening to them .
I know you guys said Torch will still represent but I don't see how startale would agree to that but who knows ^^.
Congrats to Torch and props to ST for some clever forward thinging. He will be a great rep, is very eloquent and he has done very well as a rough diamond. Given a few weeks of honing down with some Korean practice partners he could have a lot of potential.
On November 18 2010 09:20 hmunkey wrote: Is Torch really that good? I haven't seen him perform well beyond getting into GSL 1, the easiest GSL, and not making it far at all.
Congratulations to him anyways.
Hes not great the way he is at the moment but I think the coaches of Startale see talent and a foreigner with a good attitude and wanting to learn and grow. Torch has potential and I think Startale can help with reach his full potential.
TorcH is a much more sociable guy than other players (not to sound rude to others but it seems like it from his interviews). I hope his attitude allows him to overcome the language barrier created.
yeah this is a surprise, but congrats Torch/Trevor!!
also, I see him becoming a Tasteless type figure in SK. Remember he casted a couple of games in GSL1 and did a great job?
I'm sure ST recruited him for more than his creative play, and I bet he'll be speaking pretty decent Korean in a few months And it's awesome he gets to practice with ITR, July, etc.
On November 18 2010 09:19 xBillehx wrote: Wahhh. Congrats Torch! I was surprised to see him at the new association meeting but then I remembered he really wants progaming to succeed worldwide and he'd be trying to help that along behind the scenes. I guess being part of STARTALE gives him access to the association and perhaps he can help that go the right way and even seep over internationally! O:
Really? He gets to the Ro64 in ONE GSL out of three and that's enough to qualify for A class? Something doesn't seem right there. Also, not exactly sure why ST recruited someone who has hardly achieved anything yet. The language barrier isn't exactly going to help either.
On November 18 2010 11:21 Kantutan wrote: Really? He gets to the Ro64 in ONE GSL out of three and that's enough to qualify for A class? Something doesn't seem right there. Also, not exactly sure why ST recruited someone who has hardly achieved anything yet. The language barrier isn't exactly going to help either.
Teams in all sports recruit players who they think have potential, no matter what language they speak.
wow never thought that would happen.. not trying to take anything away from Torch's play but i wonder under what capacity he was recruited for, because i don't rate his play that highly compared to other foreign players. however he does seem to be naturally talented and with good coaching and training partners he could be a sick player.
though i wouldn't be surprised if he was recruited also as a connection for them into the foreign scene. if thats the case i think torch is a great choice.
either ways props to Torch. making it onto a Korean team.. damn wp.
Great for Torch, but I hope someone shows Startale some of his recent tournament games. He's got a LOT of work to do before he can compete at the top Korean level. People are saying he has the potential to improve, but he's about as creative as Jinro and TLO and they are in and out of the oGs A-team with much better mechanics and RTS experience. Wish him the best, but I get the feeling that Ro64 in the GSL will be the highest he'll get.
I think the biggest point is that he is Code A. So it gives them another player in GSL 2011 for January and as long as he's not in the bottom 50% of Code A he either stays in Code A or has a chance to move to Code S.
It makes perfect sense to put some time into a player who has a chance to get visibility for your team even if it's just for a couple of months. However, if he improves enough between now and January he can maintain Code A and possibly develop into a Code S player. Seems like a win-win situation for Startale and definitely for Trevor.
I'm confused about how qualifying in just one season gets you to A class. By my count 141 different players have qualified for at least one season and there are only 96 total spots in S class and A class combined. So... how does this make sense?
On November 18 2010 12:31 dredd276 wrote: I'm confused about how qualifying in just one season gets you to A class. By my count 141 different players have qualified for at least one season and there are only 96 total spots in S class and A class combined. So... how does this make sense?
You got one rank higher for Ro64 in GSL 1 than you do in GSL 2 and GSL 3. Therefore it was worth twice as much and that's why Torch will be Code A
On November 18 2010 12:31 dredd276 wrote: I'm confused about how qualifying in just one season gets you to A class. By my count 141 different players have qualified for at least one season and there are only 96 total spots in S class and A class combined. So... how does this make sense?
You got one rank higher for Ro64 in GSL 1 than you do in GSL 2 and GSL 3. Therefore it was worth twice as much and that's why Torch will be Code A
wtf really? How ass backward is that. Do you remember the source for that?
Awesome. I don't think anybody calls Torch a top player, but I get the sense that he has a ton of potential to improve with more practice and the right environment. cheers to him
On November 18 2010 12:31 dredd276 wrote: I'm confused about how qualifying in just one season gets you to A class. By my count 141 different players have qualified for at least one season and there are only 96 total spots in S class and A class combined. So... how does this make sense?
You got one rank higher for Ro64 in GSL 1 than you do in GSL 2 and GSL 3. Therefore it was worth twice as much and that's why Torch will be Code A
wtf really? How ass backward is that. Do you remember the source for that?
I will be so happy if Artosis becomes a Code A player then.
Edit: Also, be SUPER happy if Cella becomes Code A.
On November 18 2010 12:31 dredd276 wrote: I'm confused about how qualifying in just one season gets you to A class. By my count 141 different players have qualified for at least one season and there are only 96 total spots in S class and A class combined. So... how does this make sense?
You got one rank higher for Ro64 in GSL 1 than you do in GSL 2 and GSL 3. Therefore it was worth twice as much and that's why Torch will be Code A
wtf really? How ass backward is that. Do you remember the source for that?
Quick update for you guys. Torch will be remaining a member of the VT Gaming community, but he will be representing ST in Korea. At American events he will be representing VT.
@Everyone wondering how he is A-Rank, 32 Code S players + 64 Code A Players over the 3 GSL Opens from 2010. Therefore due to the large number of repeats in GSL 2&3 He is A-Rank, so is Artosis.
On November 18 2010 12:31 dredd276 wrote: I'm confused about how qualifying in just one season gets you to A class. By my count 141 different players have qualified for at least one season and there are only 96 total spots in S class and A class combined. So... how does this make sense?
You got one rank higher for Ro64 in GSL 1 than you do in GSL 2 and GSL 3. Therefore it was worth twice as much and that's why Torch will be Code A
wtf really? How ass backward is that. Do you remember the source for that?
On November 18 2010 13:00 GenocideRun wrote: Quick update for you guys. Torch will be remaining a member of the VT Gaming community, but he will be representing ST in Korea. At American events he will be representing VT.
@Everyone wondering how he is A-Rank, 32 Code S players + 64 Code A Players over the 3 GSL Opens from 2010. Therefore due to the large number of repeats in GSL 2&3 He is A-Rank, so are Artosis and Tester I believe.
On November 18 2010 12:31 dredd276 wrote: I'm confused about how qualifying in just one season gets you to A class. By my count 141 different players have qualified for at least one season and there are only 96 total spots in S class and A class combined. So... how does this make sense?
You got one rank higher for Ro64 in GSL 1 than you do in GSL 2 and GSL 3. Therefore it was worth twice as much and that's why Torch will be Code A
wtf really? How ass backward is that. Do you remember the source for that?
On November 18 2010 12:31 dredd276 wrote: I'm confused about how qualifying in just one season gets you to A class. By my count 141 different players have qualified for at least one season and there are only 96 total spots in S class and A class combined. So... how does this make sense?
You got one rank higher for Ro64 in GSL 1 than you do in GSL 2 and GSL 3. Therefore it was worth twice as much and that's why Torch will be Code A
wtf really? How ass backward is that. Do you remember the source for that?
On November 18 2010 13:00 GenocideRun wrote: Quick update for you guys. Torch will be remaining a member of the VT Gaming community, but he will be representing ST in Korea. At American events he will be representing VT.
@Everyone wondering how he is A-Rank, 32 Code S players + 64 Code A Players over the 3 GSL Opens from 2010. Therefore due to the large number of repeats in GSL 2&3 He is A-Rank, so are Artosis and Tester I believe.
Tester is S class.
That is correct, thank you for pointing it out. Will be updating my post accordingly.
Wow, this is so random,but cool at the same time. I would have never thought TorcH would be a contender to be apart of a Korean based team. It is cool that he is still affiliated with VT Gaming since that is his roots and where he came from when he came out into the scene. He was fun to watch when he was playing against TLO at MLG Dallas.
On November 18 2010 12:31 dredd276 wrote: I'm confused about how qualifying in just one season gets you to A class. By my count 141 different players have qualified for at least one season and there are only 96 total spots in S class and A class combined. So... how does this make sense?
You got one rank higher for Ro64 in GSL 1 than you do in GSL 2 and GSL 3. Therefore it was worth twice as much and that's why Torch will be Code A
wtf really? How ass backward is that. Do you remember the source for that?
Damn. Save all your money to go to Korea, and then lose in the Ro64 but get your name heard. Then two months later, you join one of the one or two best teams in Korea. This is a proud day for gingers everywhere.
While I do think he is not good enough to be on a Korean pro team, I am very happy for him. If he is actually going to stay in their house and practice there, then I have no doubt his skill will tremendously rise.
Is this the Torch that TLO beat at MLG? if so - those were some pretty epic games (watch the replay and watch for Torch's scv split in te first game - w0w)
Congrats to him!! Nice to see more foreigners making headway in sc2 scene
I get the feeling that a lot of the people saying Torch isn't good enough to be on a Korean team are seriously overestimating the skill of your average Korean.
Why...? I don't want to sound like a dick, but I haven't seen anything special from him in gsl 1. Has he improved that much? What's really going on here? Don't get me wrong, I like the guy since he seems to be super mannered and I sometimes prefer it over the skill of a player (Hi idra), but this is totally random and unexpected.
Top Korean scientists have done serious research on teh internetz and found that Gingers have no souls, making them perfect practice partners for Koreans
joking aside that is amazing for TorcH, Grats man ♥
Thats so cool!!!!! Although i have never been a particular fan of torch, startale must have seen some great games from him! I'm so pround that he got this!
A new era of foreigner starcraft shall be ushered in! I'm pumped.
Awesome news, this is exactly the perfect thing to enlargen the foreigner scene. It's unexpected, but who can complain? Hopefully this will lead other teams in looking at other foreigners as well. Heres to you TorcH! Artosis needs to do an interview asap!
edit: On a side note, with some refinement, some of Torch's innovative builds would possibly be excellent for sniping good players in clan war/teamleague type scenarios. Don't want to read into it too much, but perhaps there's some thought behind this move, more than just, "here's a token white guy." Grats and best of luck again!
Let's put it in perspective; TORCH JUST GOT ON STARTALE GET HYPE!
seriously, saying he is not worthy of getting on the team just stinks of jealousy. How many of you went down to Korea pretty much unannounced and then proceeded to qualify for the GSL?
Oh yeah....just him.
Even if you are not his fan it's a great stride for all of foreign SC players. Be happy for the guy, living the dream man.
seriously tho, congratulations TorcH! Definitly looking forward to seeing how practicing your creative builds with some of the best korean pros evolves the game.
Torch is quite talented and has that spark that a lot of players currently much better than him don't. I'm pretty sure Startale noticed this.
The sort of problems he has in his play seem purely mechanics-oriented and he can easily overcome by just grinding them up on to the sufficient level. Especially in the sort of team he's in.
On November 18 2010 16:52 Shymon wrote: People are way too cynical on this news.
Let's put it in perspective; TOUCH JUST GOT ON STARTALE GET HYPE!
seriously, saying he is not worthy of getting on the team just stinks of jealousy. How many of you went down to Korea pretty much unannounced and then proceeded to qualify for the GSL?
Oh yeah....just him.
Even if you are not his fan it's a great stride for all of foreign SC players. Be happy for the guy, living the dream man.
in short, TOUCH HWAITING!!!!!!
It does sound fishy, considering Idra, Jinro, Haypro, Sen, Ret and Loner has more success than Torch. Reading the news in TL, i read that Startale was having a little bit of financial difficulties and had to resolve to a smaller team house than they wanted, so maybe Torch offered them money in exchange for invitation to the team? Dunno, but possible.
It does sound fishy, considering Idra, Jinro, Haypro, Sen, Ret and Loner has more success than Torch. Reading the news in TL, i read that Startale was having a little bit of financial difficulties and had to resolve to a smaller team house than they wanted, so maybe Torch offered them money in exchange for invitation to the team? Dunno, but possible.
Considering all those people are already on teams that pay them, it doesn't sound fishy at all. VT gaming, from what I understand is more of a clan that doesn't have much or any sponsorship.
oh big news. And this isnt supposed to be bashing Torch, but i guess i am right when i say his strength are more "cerebral" than mechanical. Looking forward to see him play with some "Gaming House" induced Macro. Might be entertaining to watch.
Haha, TorcH paying ST to get on the team? That's rich. I wasn't aware the Korean teams were looking for foreign talent, but this is awesome news! TorcH has potential, so its good that hes getting consistent training. FIGHTING!
On November 18 2010 16:52 Shymon wrote: People are way too cynical on this news.
Let's put it in perspective; TOUCH JUST GOT ON STARTALE GET HYPE!
seriously, saying he is not worthy of getting on the team just stinks of jealousy. How many of you went down to Korea pretty much unannounced and then proceeded to qualify for the GSL?
Oh yeah....just him.
Even if you are not his fan it's a great stride for all of foreign SC players. Be happy for the guy, living the dream man.
in short, TOUCH HWAITING!!!!!!
It does sound fishy, considering Idra, Jinro, Haypro, Sen, Ret and Loner has more success than Torch. Reading the news in TL, i read that Startale was having a little bit of financial difficulties and had to resolve to a smaller team house than they wanted, so maybe Torch offered them money in exchange for invitation to the team? Dunno, but possible.
Seems like you put on your tinfoil hat and pulled this out of your ass, I mean come on this is just too rich.
I hope they will improve his macro in ST. I really like his unique openings (more creative T openings than TLO ever had) and i think this is also one of the reasons ST picked him up apart from the Code A. I bet St coaches got all the replays of torch from various tournaments and analysed them thoroughly. Saw some really creative openings but lacking the late macro game and based on their observation they decided that this aspect of his game has a chance of improvement. Also their management pointed out that they will have more coverage this way. So for them its a win-win situation for getting Torch.
Tired of all the people bashing on Torch's skillz. He may not be at the top, but he is not far from it. Hopefully Korea will improve his game a lot (as it has with other foreigners). And, even if he doesn't improve enough to become a major tournament contender, he will at least be in a high profile scene where he can make the contacts and gain the insight he needs to help boost e-sports (which seems to be his overall goal).
Congrats to Torch. He is a smart, mature, and level-headed guy who can become a valuable asset to the e-sports community.
Also props to ST for picking up a foreigner. The Korean scene still feels really isolated. Though none of the Western tournaments are as high-profile as GSL yet, the player pool in the West feels much more diverse and interesting. If Korea can open up more to global players, it will undoubtedly be good for them and e-sports as a whole.
I have feeling he main job wont playing, at least not in Korea. My guts are telling me his role will be more managerial than that. He has shown us before that he is intrested in those things. Im guessing he will be representing ST in the foreign scene. Recruitment, PR, assisting other foreigners that sort of a thing.
On November 18 2010 18:35 bRuTaL!! wrote: I have feeling he main job wont playing, at least not in Korea. My guts are telling me his role will be more managerial than that. He has shown us before that he is intrested in those things. Im guessing he will be representing ST in the foreign scene. Recruitment, PR, assisting other foreigners that sort of a thing.
If this were 100% true that, is still not a bad deal. I can dig it. I am interested to see what becomes of this.
I don't know where this news come from but as far as I know he didn't join the team, he's going to practice in their house for the week left for him in Korea before going back to the US, which is still pretty awesome
On November 18 2010 19:14 cArn- wrote: I don't know where this news come from but as far as I know he didn't join the team, he's going to practice in their house for the week left for him in Korea before going back to the US, which is still pretty awesome
On November 18 2010 09:23 Scorch wrote: I'm quite surprised. What would Startale gain by recruiting Torch? Not to offend, but there are tons of better players, also many foreigners.
I have to agree with that, I'm very happy for him and the fact that a foreigners got recruited by a korean team, but I was never impressed by his play. We'll see though, good luck Torch.
But I'm seriously doubting this happened without him having to play some Startale members first. No offense, but he doesn't seem to be on the level as the TL and EG guys in Korea.
On November 18 2010 09:17 seiferoth10 wrote: Wow. Big grats to Torch. First SC2 foreigner on a Korean team? That's quite an achievement.
I think you forgot that IdrA was the "First SC2 foreigner on a Korean team". Nevertheless, this is a great achievement for Torch, I wish him the best of luck.
On November 18 2010 19:14 cArn- wrote: I don't know where this news come from but as far as I know he didn't join the team, he's going to practice in their house for the week left for him in Korea before going back to the US, which is still pretty awesome
Really surprised by these news. What cArn is saying makes much more sense. If this is true big gratz to Torch but I'll side with cArn until further notice
On November 18 2010 18:34 mangoloid wrote: Nice unexpected news. Hurrah! ^_^
Tired of all the people bashing on Torch's skillz. He may not be at the top, but he is not far from it. Hopefully Korea will improve his game a lot (as it has with other foreigners). And, even if he doesn't improve enough to become a major tournament contender, he will at least be in a high profile scene where he can make the contacts and gain the insight he needs to help boost e-sports (which seems to be his overall goal).
Congrats to Torch. He is a smart, mature, and level-headed guy who can become a valuable asset to the e-sports community.
Also props to ST for picking up a foreigner. The Korean scene still feels really isolated. Though none of the Western tournaments are as high-profile as GSL yet, the player pool in the West feels much more diverse and interesting. If Korea can open up more to global players, it will undoubtedly be good for them and e-sports as a whole.
Korea has ALWAYS opened up to global players. Its just that most of the foreigners suck. And if Startale isn't abled to recruit one of the other foreign gsl qualified players, then i guess it's not so fishy (although i thought that any top 200 players in the KR server would be a better recruit than torch, and that little kid in artosis' vid wit fast hands)
On November 18 2010 19:14 cArn- wrote: I don't know where this news come from but as far as I know he didn't join the team, he's going to practice in their house for the week left for him in Korea before going back to the US, which is still pretty awesome
cArn- probably knows what hes talking about here. Well its still awesome ~
On November 18 2010 19:14 cArn- wrote: I don't know where this news come from but as far as I know he didn't join the team, he's going to practice in their house for the week left for him in Korea before going back to the US, which is still pretty awesome
Really hope there is some clarification on this by TorcH?
On November 18 2010 19:14 cArn- wrote: I don't know where this news come from but as far as I know he didn't join the team, he's going to practice in their house for the week left for him in Korea before going back to the US, which is still pretty awesome
Really hope there is some clarification on this by TorcH?
TorcH's twitter says:
I'm practicing hard as part of Korean Progaming Team Startale. They are all very friendly and insanely good =)
First, thank you all for the support it really means a lot. In response to the criticisms, I agree with all of them on some level and will address them specificly as soon as I can.
As for what is actually going on; I don't really know either. Everything is happening very quickly (including other events that I can't talk about publicly yet) and the language barrier makes it difficult for me to even know what the state of everything is.
What I can say is I am living/training in the Startale house for the rest of my stay this trip to Korea and will be returning to KR very soon (December or January). As for whether I am an actual member of Startale or just a practice partner, the only thing I know definitively is that they had me change my ID to http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/1971260/1/스타테일토치/ (StartaleTorcH in Hangul).
On November 18 2010 23:05 TorcH wrote: What I can say is I am living/training in the Startale house for the rest of my stay this trip to Korea and will be returning to KR very soon (December or January). As for whether I am an actual member of Startale or just a practice partner, the only thing I know definitively is that they had me change my ID to http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/1971260/1/스타테일토치/ (StartaleTorcH in Hangul).
congrats, but you say "you don't know what's going on" and "it's happening very quickly" so how exactly did you get picked up by them? You must have connections or talked to them in some way to show interest. Just seems weird they would just randomly come to you for no reason and want you to join the team. could you explain how it went down?
On November 18 2010 23:05 TorcH wrote: Hey everyone,
First, thank you all for the support it really means a lot. In response to the criticisms, I agree with all of them on some level and will address them specificly as soon as I can.
As for what is actually going on; I don't really know either. Everything is happening very quickly (including other events that I can't talk about publicly yet) and the language barrier makes it difficult for me to even know what the state of everything is.
What I can say is I am living/training in the Startale house for the rest of my stay this trip to Korea and will be returning to KR very soon (December or January). As for whether I am an actual member of Startale or just a practice partner, the only thing I know definitively is that they had me change my ID to http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/1971260/1/스타테일토치/ (StartaleTorcH in Hangul).
It's a little surprising (apparently to you too), but congrats and good luck, Tochi (lol at the Korean spelling). ^_____^V
If they have chosen to recruit TorcH as a member, it may simply be that he is the best of the players who came to the GSL quals without a paying sponsor. Maybe they don't think its appropriate to 'poach' a player from a sponsored foreign team like TL or EG? He's shown plenty of initiative and commitment.
On November 18 2010 19:14 cArn- wrote: I don't know where this news come from but as far as I know he didn't join the team, he's going to practice in their house for the week left for him in Korea before going back to the US, which is still pretty awesome
As soon as I read the news I was thinking I had to take it with a pinch of salt..
Congratulations torch anyway, but I can't truly believe what was implied in the OP. :p
I don't get it TorcH qualified for GSL1 yea he didn't for 2 and 3 but this doesn't mean he is not good enough... If we look at the other people that qualified TL guys had everything setup for them training partners house, idra is in korea for quite a long time. If we sum everything outside of the game torch qualify is huge compared to other foreigners. ST are strong team with July and Rainb0w in it, you can't say torch doesn't have the skill level for it. He is strong player with alot of potential and I'm sure once he start the practice in proper team envoirment we will see great results. Jinro and haypro failed to qualify for GSL 1 and 2. But look how much they improved from the korean ladder and oGs practice.
The interview by Artosis during qualifiers really brought home that Torch isn't just some dude who visited Korea during GSL1 quals, but is super passionate about esports and is committed to making the scene global. What a badass.
Does this mean he's staying in Korea? (I didn't read the thread. I'll check up on that now, just wanted to bust out first reactions.)
EDIT: OK, just looked up on the page and got it squared away. I'm sure that when you move back you'll start improving by leaps and bounds, even just as a practice partner (at first). Ganbatte!
your here tellin me to study up trev so i can get to NY in december, now you're all mr. korea on me here and won't even be there if i do go! ahhaha congrats as always.
side note: he didn't go to korea for gsl 2 qualifiers, only 1 and 3.
On November 19 2010 01:11 meeple wrote: Thats epic... I'd love to hear updates about your experiences... I wonder if its going to be similar to what Ret found in BW living with estro.
This is totally speculative. Everything about it:
I don't think an SC2 team can be like that in the least. There are a lot of factors that are vastly different between estro, an established bw pro team, and startale, a new team in a new game. I'm talking required practice time, attention/respect, solidified norms, etc. Overt scene factors aside, there also will probably not be as painful language/culture/general respect issues with this team. There will also probably be an increasing foreigner support network, which will be important; while I'm sure Ret enjoyed having foreigners around, the newcomers will be a) larger in number, and b) in comparable positions. I think practice schedule and in-house regimens will probably be the most important differences.
Wow. I just typed something kinda pointless, but I hope convincing. Enjoy.
On November 19 2010 00:20 AcOrP wrote: I don't get it TorcH qualified for GSL1 yea he didn't for 2 and 3 but this doesn't mean he is not good enough... If we look at the other people that qualified TL guys had everything setup for them training partners house, idra is in korea for quite a long time. If we sum everything outside of the game torch qualify is huge compared to other foreigners. ST are strong team with July and Rainb0w in it, you can't say torch doesn't have the skill level for it. He is strong player with alot of potential and I'm sure once he start the practice in proper team envoirment we will see great results. Jinro and haypro failed to qualify for GSL 1 and 2. But look how much they improved from the korean ladder and oGs practice.
i think he only went to GSL 1 and 3, he didn't participate at GSL 2.
and good luck in korea TorcH, always nice to hear from you. i know you're going to gain a lot of expirience in such a great team. btw do they have a english speaking person at ST?
Look, Torch is one of the most well spoken and dedicated gamers around, he has a real passion for progaming and esports which is a pretty epicly a good thing. That said he IS a hihg level player no doubt, and playing with a professional korean team will fix his #1 problem which is keeping up with his mechanics into the mid and late games.
Do I think he deserves to be on Startale? I'm not sure, thing is there are probably 75 other north americans I would say deserve to be on the team more than Torch for gameplay reasons. Am I glad for him? Hell yeah. A foreigner on a korean pro team is no small task.
This is definitely a unique situation to see, and I'm interested to see how it will go from here.
I enjoyed him commenting when Artosis was playing and felt sad when he didnt manage to qualify for GSL 3. Glad to hear we'll see one more foreigner stay in Korea then.
Wow that's very interesting. I really really hope he gets on the team, but I'm not sure if he's got the skills to be honest. But I haven't seen him much, we'll see! GLGLGLGLGLGL
Goes to show that people really need to go try out for the GSL. Heres a guy who wasn't particularly that good / known. Got a easy bracket, made it to ro64, lost. 2 months later. Joins one of the top Korean teams. (Not dissing torch nor do i think he is a bad player)
Congrats TorcH this will defiantly be a motivational story.
I'm excited for torch, i think he has a ton of potential if he just works on his fundamentals a bit, practicing with such a high level team will most definitely make him an amazing player no doubt.
On November 19 2010 05:48 Meeru wrote: I find it quite odd that Torch would join ST, seeing as he mentioned how V Gaming is such a close tight group, but grats nevertheless.
He might still be able to stay on vT, and just represent ST in events.
why are such a large proportion of posters being so negative? Even Torch is a bit confounded and clearly has his own reservations. You guys should be more supportive and frankly be happy a foreigner got into a Korean team like this.
Congratulations TorcH. I really like your different play style from other terrans. I'm sure with the startale players as practice partners, you'll be able to hone your skills even more. Nice win rate on your Korean ladder account.
This is surprising I'm not hating or anything but is he that good? i didn't even notice him in GSL1 But if ST recruited him, I'm sure they see something on him since they know sc2 way better than i do GL to him and best of luck I also find this a good step for foreigners since there will be a pro league soon right? but no foreigner teams ( well oGs but will TL participate with them?)
I really hate shitting on players, and i don't want to sound like i am hating, but is anyone else surprised about this?
Considering what I saw at the last MLG, and correct me if i am wrong, but wasn't torch trying to do some sort of super fast nuke TvZ vs TLO? Which fell miserably? And his GSL performance was "eh" and if i recall he lost to one void ray.
Again, he is still probably 100x better than me, and I don't want to sound like a hater, but so far from what I have seen I have been pretty underimpressed from his public performance.
With that said, congrats torch, and I hope you really turn the tables (publically) and do some massive damage in some tournaments.
I wish you the best of luck, and I guess it's not hard to find ways to improve your game in the midst of such an awesome team. So keep practicing and we'll see you in GSL4;)
On November 19 2010 22:42 thesnowflake wrote: man people are allowed to flame so hard when it's torch
meanwhile i ask how the hell ret got into liquid after being semi-retired..
I don't see any flaming, as far as I can judge people are expressing their concerns (if they have any) quite respectfully.
I as well was pretty surprised by this but I'm really looking forward to future news on this topic and I hope Torch is going to have a great time. Let us know when you figured out all the details
And seriously, what is with all the stupid in this thread? I thought this community was about giving support to players and especially to foreigners making it in what is a very tough and competitive scene. All of a sudden, one of them makes it and we shit on him? Not cool.
And from his Twitter: "Just hit 2000 points on the Korean ladder with a 75% win ratio (for the account it started at 50% when I got it, so actually I'm at 85%)." I don't know if you guyz checked sc2ranks lately but 75% win ration is ridiculously high! So he's doing quite well for himself.
On November 20 2010 00:33 Redox wrote: Does anyone know Torchs account name on Korea server?
On November 18 2010 23:05 TorcH wrote: Hey everyone,
First, thank you all for the support it really means a lot. In response to the criticisms, I agree with all of them on some level and will address them specificly as soon as I can.
As for what is actually going on; I don't really know either. Everything is happening very quickly (including other events that I can't talk about publicly yet) and the language barrier makes it difficult for me to even know what the state of everything is.
What I can say is I am living/training in the Startale house for the rest of my stay this trip to Korea and will be returning to KR very soon (December or January). As for whether I am an actual member of Startale or just a practice partner, the only thing I know definitively is that they had me change my ID to http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/1971260/1/스타테일토치/ (StartaleTorcH in Hangul).
Take full advantage of this opportunity, Torch! Get along with your teammates and integrate as much as possible. Learn some Korean. Like anything else in life, it's all about building connections and sowing the soil for future opportunities. None of the SC2 teams are solid yet but as long as you have good relationships in the pro scene, you'll be taken care of. You just can't beat their practice environment.
I expect you to improve drastically for the next GSL.
On November 19 2010 17:49 ZomgTossRush wrote: Considering what I saw at the last MLG, and correct me if i am wrong, but wasn't torch trying to do some sort of super fast nuke TvZ vs TLO? Which fell miserably? And his GSL performance was "eh" and if i recall he lost to one void ray.
To be fair, TorcH played decently against TLO in the first set, but after that was lost, I think in his interview with Artosis he said he knew there was no way he'd win the match so he went for a made-up on the fly nuke build (which killed...1 drone). But either way that's not fully reflective of his play.
For GSL if I recall, TorcH the first and third set both by voidray proxies I think, he just failed to scout. Either way, I think he's a strong player he just doesn't have the ability to finish off his starting build usually.
well i think once Hopetorture and july regularly beat torch They figure there is no way they will ever be cheesed again/1 based.( by terran ) good move by ST!
On November 18 2010 16:52 Shymon wrote: People are way too cynical on this news.
Let's put it in perspective; TORCH JUST GOT ON STARTALE GET HYPE!
seriously, saying he is not worthy of getting on the team just stinks of jealousy. How many of you went down to Korea pretty much unannounced and then proceeded to qualify for the GSL?
Oh yeah....just him.
Even if you are not his fan it's a great stride for all of foreign SC players. Be happy for the guy, living the dream man.
in short, TORCH HWAITING!!!!!!
lol, really? Do you know how much of a joke gsl1 prelims were?
Gz! tho its funny, the only thing ive heard and knew about him was in a video where Idra was asked, do u think torch will make gsl, (something like that). Idra answears, who is torch?
Thats really great news man. Congratulations ToRcH. I remember "Jason Lee & Torch" moments @ GSL2 and I think it will be really nice to see him commentating once again. anyways, whats gonna happen to VT Gaming?, I heard a lil bit about it from him on an Artosis interview and it sounded promising. One more foreigner joining a KoreanTeam, so exciting ^^
On November 20 2010 07:57 danbel1005 wrote: Thats really great news man. Congratulations ToRcH. I remember "Jason Lee & Torch" moments @ GSL2 and I think it will be really nice to see him commentating once again. anyways, whats gonna happen to VT Gaming?, I heard a lil bit about it from him on an Artosis interview and it sounded promising. One more foreigner joining a KoreanTeam, so exciting ^^
Did I miss something? Torch didn't commentate in GSL2 and who says he's going to commentate in the future?
I would really like to hear more from Torch about the whole situation since it sounded as if he wasn't too sure what's going on. So keep us up to date or are you too busy practicing your ass off?
On November 20 2010 07:57 danbel1005 wrote: Thats really great news man. Congratulations ToRcH. I remember "Jason Lee & Torch" moments @ GSL2 and I think it will be really nice to see him commentating once again. anyways, whats gonna happen to VT Gaming?, I heard a lil bit about it from him on an Artosis interview and it sounded promising. One more foreigner joining a KoreanTeam, so exciting ^^
Did I miss something? Torch didn't commentate in GSL2 and who says he's going to commentate in the future?
I would really like to hear more from Torch about the whole situation since it sounded as if he wasn't too sure what's going on. So keep us up to date or are you too busy practicing your ass off?
he commentated for artosis's match in the ro64 with tasteless in GSL1
On November 20 2010 07:57 danbel1005 wrote: Thats really great news man. Congratulations ToRcH. I remember "Jason Lee & Torch" moments @ GSL2 and I think it will be really nice to see him commentating once again. anyways, whats gonna happen to VT Gaming?, I heard a lil bit about it from him on an Artosis interview and it sounded promising. One more foreigner joining a KoreanTeam, so exciting ^^
Did I miss something? Torch didn't commentate in GSL2 and who says he's going to commentate in the future?
I would really like to hear more from Torch about the whole situation since it sounded as if he wasn't too sure what's going on. So keep us up to date or are you too busy practicing your ass off?
he commentated for artosis's match in the ro64 with tasteless in GSL1
I know, but what has that to do with "Jason Lee & Torch" moments @ GSL2? He's probably mixing Torch up with Assem. Not that many red head white boys in Korea
On November 19 2010 22:42 thesnowflake wrote: man people are allowed to flame so hard when it's torch
meanwhile i ask how the hell ret got into liquid after being semi-retired..
I fully agree man, I'm kinda scared to criticize TL in anyway (of course this makes sense being its board and all), but the out right ease in the Torch bashing is kinda disappointing.
On November 19 2010 22:42 thesnowflake wrote: man people are allowed to flame so hard when it's torch
meanwhile i ask how the hell ret got into liquid after being semi-retired..
Because TL recognize talent, not only results
What the hell is that supposed to mean? Torch has plenty of "talent" and we should all be happy that a foreigner made it onto a strictly Korean team (prior to his addition)
On November 19 2010 22:42 thesnowflake wrote: man people are allowed to flame so hard when it's torch
meanwhile i ask how the hell ret got into liquid after being semi-retired..
Because TL recognize talent, not only results
What the hell is that supposed to mean? Torch has plenty of "talent" and we should all be happy that a foreigner made it onto a strictly Korean team (prior to his addition)
It means Ret was one of the most talented BW players outside Korea and was obviously going to be an amazing SC2 player if he applied himself. Obviously they made a good choice.
I am pretty sure he was referring to your comment about ret, not that torch was bad. It's awesome that any foreigner gets picked up by a korean team. Grats to torch hope he tears it up.
On November 21 2010 01:56 ReachTheSky wrote: I bet Idra is so jealous ;P
Idra made a conscious decision to join a foreign team and not to seek out a korean team in Starcraft 2, I doubt he is jealous at all. I really doubt that he couldn't get on a top korean team over there, maybe not every single one would accept him in with open arms, depends on his history with them, but at least 2-3 of them would.
Wow, that's awesome for Torch. To be brutally honest, I always thought of Torch as a sub par player given what I've seen of him in tournaments. And I don't mean to be rude! Super surprising and cool news.
On November 21 2010 10:04 oRacLeGosu wrote: Torch is pretty good. If he starts to make scv's, he might show us som nice stuff.
and a command center. and Adapt. I wish i could see more of his play. hes so 1 dimensional. hes like flash without Expanding. every game you know whats coming :D But hopefully they'll help him fix that
Good luck Torch hope everything works out well for him. He looked surprissed we wanted a photos with him when we met him (didn't consider himself famous) but now all of Teamliquid's talking about him, hehe
On November 21 2010 10:04 oRacLeGosu wrote: Torch is pretty good. If he starts to make scv's, he might show us som nice stuff.
and a command center. and Adapt. I wish i could see more of his play. hes so 1 dimensional. hes like flash without Expanding. every game you know whats coming :D But hopefully they'll help him fix that
On November 21 2010 10:04 oRacLeGosu wrote: Torch is pretty good. If he starts to make scv's, he might show us som nice stuff.
and a command center. and Adapt. I wish i could see more of his play. hes so 1 dimensional. hes like flash without Expanding. every game you know whats coming :D But hopefully they'll help him fix that
Works for FoxeR....
for a short period of time.. and its a misconception that he only does one build. have you even watched the finals?
What the hell... first he qualifies for GSL1 and everyone is liek "what?" And now he's being assimilated into ST. And people are like "the fuck?" So I just checked the Korean top 200 and he isn't even on it. Or any of them for that matter. Talk about coming out of NO WHERE.
On November 21 2010 10:04 oRacLeGosu wrote: Torch is pretty good. If he starts to make scv's, he might show us som nice stuff.
and a command center. and Adapt. I wish i could see more of his play. hes so 1 dimensional. hes like flash without Expanding. every game you know whats coming :D But hopefully they'll help him fix that
Congrats to torch from here ! Hope he is gonna do very very well with he's new team and gain alot of inside experience and tips and tricks from the Korean players :D Keep up the good work !
Congratz pretty amazing to see a non-korean on a korean team , i wonder if he'll have like a personal translator or something that would be pretty epic
This recruitment probably happened because considering how "bad" Torches mechanics were, he actually didnt do too bad.
Unfortunately, this is Starcraft 2, so mechanics are not as necessary to compete.
To paraphrase tasteless: "Every build has a half-life so even if you invent some super OP build eventually there is gonna be some standard play and counters to that build."
So even if Torch surprises a good player with an unsuspecting build, eventually he is going have to get his macro up because people will know the counters.
Watching his play he looked like a plat player with good strategy. If he gets his macro up and on par he could be really good but aside from that he wont be going far in future GSL's.
On November 24 2010 17:52 .Aar wrote: Congrats to TorcH, but ST seems to think your name is pronounced "토치" "To Chi" when "토츠" "To Ch" would have been right..
They don't 'think' it's pronounced this way. It's actually a word that was loaned from English* (which is pronounced the way it is because the Korean phonetic system is different).
Anyway 토치 is easier to pronounce than what you propose (it's also nicer to the ear).
* - I'm not really sure on this one but there's a possibility that it came to Korea through the Japanese since in Japanese language only トーチ is possible as an approximation of the English pronunciation (which in turn sounds close to '토치')
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