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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
February 01 2009 08:32 GMT
#141
Thong song obv.
mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
February 01 2009 08:33 GMT
#142


I don't like the rapper but the song is good imo
Why So Serious?!
Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-01 08:38:30
February 01 2009 08:37 GMT
#143
imo charlie is right, the terms have been adopted by retards and now i as well am forced to stay away from saying i listen to rap/rappers, although that is not how it used to be, now hip-hop, MC, verses, rhymes, lyricist etc are the terms used to describe the music the artists and their work.

it sickens me that pun, smalls, black thought, wu tang, old mobb, big L, old em etc are in the same sentence as it slug eyedea IT, and Even LIL wayne.

edit:
Seriously.... lil wayne... the best rapper alive.... someone needs to rip that kid apart a couple of times

PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-01 08:53:52
February 01 2009 08:53 GMT
#144
On February 01 2009 17:06 CharlieMurphy wrote:

PH, about your friend getting mad about calling him a rapper. I can sort of relate, A rapper is one who raps. Being that hip-hop and rap are different nowadays it doesn't really make sense. I try to avoid the term whenever possible, MC is the correct term. Also MC's don't 'rap' they 'rhyme'.

It a subtle and arguable distinction but that explains it.

That being said, you can pretty much tell a rapper from his lyrics which consist mainly about; being hard, being the best, how others are worse than him, how much money he has, how much dirt he's done, how many ho's hes fucked, how many niggaz he's shot, etc. Also the lyrics are usually ebonically spoken and words and phrases are never complex. Which is why it appeals to such a broad audience, any moron can understand it.
Also the beats are generally more catchy and the song is less about the verses and more about the chorus which is the same phrase(s) repeated like 5 times.

example: Soulja Boy Off In This Hoe
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy
Then Super Man Dat Hoe
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me you
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me you
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me you
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)




Now some pseudo underground, take slug for example, has really shitty annoying songs like this with repeated chorus, but you can tell by the lyrics it's not rap, but it's still trash imo. I hate this song so bad:
Chorus (repeated)

It's nothing but sunshine
It's all sunshine
It's nothing but sunshine
It's nothing but sunshine
It's all sunshine
It's nothing but sunshine
It's nothing but sunshine
It's all sunshine
It's nothing but sunshine
It's nothing but sunshine
It's all sunshine
It's nothing but sunshine
It's nothing but sunshine
It's all sunshine
It's nothing but sunshine
etc.





2 different genres, equally shitty.



So keeping the underground/mainstream issue out (in my opinion, that should be a separate issue), I was essentially correct?
Hello
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
February 01 2009 09:01 GMT
#145
On February 01 2009 17:06 CharlieMurphy wrote:

Show nested quote +
On February 01 2009 15:17 HeavOnEarth wrote:
On February 01 2009 05:10 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On January 31 2009 23:25 PhorClayton wrote:
Hip/Hop music is like a programming loop — Some guy does shit with his life, then sings about the shit he has done to sell shit-filled CDs to kids who inspire to do that same shit. Then those kids become shitheads themselves and do shitheaded shit, then sing about the shitheaded shit they've accomplished so they can vocally fling shit onto CDs so they can make money singing about shitheaded shit to other shitheaded shits who want to become shitheads, and on and on; while thousands of like-minded shitheaded shits wither into poverty and alcoholism/jail/death.

It's like watching a dog chase its tail for decades; the small difference being that the tail is an actual piece of shit.

Words used containing some form of the word "shit" = 18
What do I win?

sub the word hip-hop with rap/rock and you are correct.



Generalizing rock with mainstream shit on the radio is like having hip hop generalized by Soulja Boy when that's not even related to hip hop at all.
And otherwise you probably couldn't name one good metal band =/ so why write it off ?
pretty fakeshit for someone who's "trying to keep it real"
unless you're proud of being this elitist ignorant "hip hop music genre only kthx"
good music is good music; doesn't matter the genre.


I didn't really mean this to be taken literally, I just used it as an example of how what he was saying wasn't applicable or could also be applied to any genre. I just worded it badly.
And yea, even though I don't like metal I can name a few good bands easily. Children of Bodom, Iron Maiden, and my personal favorite AleStorm.


Blah. Sorry about that then ;o
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
toopham
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States551 Posts
February 01 2009 09:05 GMT
#146
THE BEST HIP HOP SONG-
The song they play as the intro song for Pretty vs Jangbi on GOMTV

"I dont' give a fuck.."
DIE!!!
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
February 01 2009 09:12 GMT
#147
It's not about mainstream or underground, because they are both full of shit.
It is about the gems inbetween.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-01 10:59:14
February 01 2009 10:58 GMT
#148
On February 01 2009 17:06 CharlieMurphy wrote:

PH, about your friend getting mad about calling him a rapper. I can sort of relate, A rapper is one who raps. Being that hip-hop and rap are different nowadays it doesn't really make sense. I try to avoid the term whenever possible, MC is the correct term. Also MC's don't 'rap' they 'rhyme'.

It a subtle and arguable distinction but that explains it.

That being said, you can pretty much tell a rapper from his lyrics which consist mainly about; being hard, being the best, how others are worse than him, how much money he has, how much dirt he's done, how many ho's hes fucked, how many niggaz he's shot, etc. Also the lyrics are usually ebonically spoken and words and phrases are never complex. Which is why it appeals to such a broad audience, any moron can understand it.
Also the beats are generally more catchy and the song is less about the verses and more about the chorus which is the same phrase(s) repeated like 5 times.

example: soulja boy o in dee ohhh
wah me wah ee
wah me woaa
wah me cak da soulja boy
wah wee super man waah wooh
wahh we hwaaa dooo
(cak da soulja boy)
wahhh we waa YOUUUU
(cak da soulja boy)
wahh we YOUUUUuu
(cak da soulja boy)
wahhh wee YOUUU
(cak da soulja boy)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpocrqvP2Yg

not to nitpick, but i fixed up your lyrics
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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
February 01 2009 20:23 GMT
#149
On February 01 2009 18:12 MYM.Testie wrote:
It's not about mainstream or underground, because they are both full of shit.
It is about the gems inbetween.


This.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
liosama
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Australia843 Posts
February 01 2009 20:27 GMT
#150
Cyne

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iloveoil
Profile Joined June 2008
Norway171 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-01 20:44:01
February 01 2009 20:42 GMT
#151
fucking stop filling this thread with hipster bullshit and just post songs -_-




e: how do i embed? =P
iheartgna
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States184 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-01 20:58:35
February 01 2009 20:54 GMT
#152
Yea, as far as music goes, no one respects another's opinion, so let's just keep the songs coming.

I've posted this before. Definitely one of my favorite songs of all time, Hip Hop Legends vs Comic Book Characters. Check pt.1 if you like.

Last Emperor - Secret Wars pt. 2


A little Raze. Sample is hot, can't remember the original though.

Doujah Raze - Now you wanna Know


And finally, something new to indulge in. His sophomore album 88 Keys and Counting is absoulutely ridiculous.

Grieves - Unedible

Hell is other people.
RivetHead
Profile Joined March 2005
United States842 Posts
February 01 2009 21:04 GMT
#153
Binary Star - Slang Blade



Binary Star - KGB



I found out about these guys through some friends and they are so good yet no one ever talks about it. These are my favorite songs on this album called Masters of the Universe. I think you can get it for free now.
I *heart* bisu, nada, mind, and the lakers
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-01 21:24:31
February 01 2009 21:24 GMT
#154
Cuz Binary Star, and indie rap and most of the rappers need to find a better subject than "real hip hop" to rap about. That shit is as old as rapping about all the other tired street matter. It's why an album like MOTU is good for maybe a year, then you go back and listen and find the lyrics sorely lacking, cuz they talkin about shit.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
RivetHead
Profile Joined March 2005
United States842 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-01 22:01:01
February 01 2009 21:59 GMT
#155
On February 02 2009 06:24 SuperJongMan wrote:
Cuz Binary Star, and indie rap and most of the rappers need to find a better subject than "real hip hop" to rap about. That shit is as old as rapping about all the other tired street matter. It's why an album like MOTU is good for maybe a year, then you go back and listen and find the lyrics sorely lacking, cuz they talkin about shit.


Thats dumb. What are wu tang's and Rakim's lyrics about? Nothing much more than what you just said for most of their songs. Subject matter is one of the least important aspects of making good hip hop. Hell, Del has a song about dirty people needing to wash themselves and its good. I listen to Biggie and talks about gangster type shit, but I don't listen to 50 cent simply cause the music sucks. You can't explain which elements are going to make a good song because its a combination of all of them.

And btw, Nas is like my favorite mc of all time, yet even he has some gangster rap type crappy songs and some good silly verses that don't make any sense other than they sound cool over the beat. Is there something so wrong for liking something just for sounding good?

I mean check out My Melody by Eric B. and Rakim, most of his lyrics are just about how good he is at rhyming, which about every mc does and some point or another (or in every freaking song), yet because its him doing it so well it just works.

I *heart* bisu, nada, mind, and the lakers
rANDY
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United Kingdom748 Posts
February 01 2009 22:39 GMT
#156
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hQp5l4-sfFA
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-01 23:28:13
February 01 2009 23:23 GMT
#157
I have nothing against gangsta rap.
But have you heard Masters of the universe? There is a werewolf song and then they bitch about other rappers. Yes, I have summed up the best indie album of 1999 or whatever for you. And it was lame.

Subject matter does matter.
What I hate about "underground" hip hop is they suck and whine. At least the pop artists suck and brag.

And did you really just tell me Wu Tang had no substance? Yeah ok. Rakim, maybe, but that's why the old funk died. He too had nothing to rap about. His best rap is rapping about his own technique... cool, but it dies too.


A classic, and probably posted earlier.

Nothing's wrong with liking stuff that sounds good. But I don't like how many whiny girly emcees there are... -_-;; yes, OneBLo's a girl.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
February 02 2009 00:02 GMT
#158
Tech N9ne!

Welcome to the Midwest
Like Yeah
Midwest Choppers
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7227 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-02 04:16:03
February 02 2009 04:13 GMT
#159
double post
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7227 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-02 04:16:57
February 02 2009 04:15 GMT
#160
On February 01 2009 17:13 Clasic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2009 16:19 Sadist wrote:
On February 01 2009 15:43 Clasic wrote:
Ok, someone mentioned T.I I'm not even going to bother looking back. T.I,50 Cent, Soulja Boy,Flo Rida, and all other main stream is all about making fucking money. If any of you watched 50 cents show on mtv ( lol ) all he talks about his money and business opportunity. I doubt he gives a damn shit if his music makes sense or not.
Not me, but is my friend and he plays starcraft too :D
He knows what he is fucking talking about, shit he introduced me to underground 3 years ago in school. Fuck without him I would probably be listening to Young Joc, who is also all about making "doe"



TI can actually rap. His multis are nice and considering whats on the radio IMO hes the best of the "mainstream" popular rappers atm. You cant compare 50 cent, Soulja boy, and Flo Rida to T.I..

Ludacris is good too if it isnt his own song ;D

of the guys who actually get radio play id say.

#1 lupe fiasco
#2 T.I.
#3 Ludacris

at least currently.

Lupe doesnt get MUCH airplay but enough to not be in the talib kweli/little brother/etc category

Nas is on the radio.
You can't beat these lyrics, I have them memorized lol so I don't even have to copy and paste :

Freedom or jail, clips inserted, a baby's bein born same time my man is murdered, the beginning and end as far as rap go, it's only natural, I explain my plateau, and also, what defines my name first it was Nasty, but times have changed ask me now, I'm the artist, but hardcore, my science for pain I spent time in the game, kept my mind on fame saw fiends shoot up, and do lines of cocaine saw my close friends shot, flatline am I sane? that depends, carry Mac-10's to practice my aim on rooftops, tape cd covers to trees line the barrel up with your weak picture then squeeze street scriptures for lost souls, in the crossroads to the corner thugs hustlin for cars that cost dough to the big dogs livin large,takin it light pushin big toys, gettin nice, enjoyin your life
is what you make it, suicide, few try to take it belt tied around they neck in jail cells naked heaven and hell, rap legend, presence is felt and of course n.a.s are the letters that spell.

You can't really beat that :D



ya Id rate nas and jay-z over all of them. But I didnt really bother because Jay-Z is kinda eh over his past 2 albums and Nas doesnt get much airplay at all. Was just going by whats on the radio. IMO Phonte, Elzhi, Joe Budden > Those 3 as well (lupe is probably equal to them)

and OH MY GOD I dont know all these underground guys......
please I just listed people off the top of my head. They werent on MTV2 when I listened to them. They all suck IMO. Very few of them sound good at all. Zion I is pretty decent....dunno how underground "they" are. Meh. Little Brother was "underground" and their "underground" album sounded the best out of all of theirs (except maybe chitlin circuit) stop classfying something as underground or mainstream. Like testie said......if it sucks it sucks regardless of whether its popular or not.

Most people just try to sound cool because they listen to stuff that other people dont listen to and act like snobs about it.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
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