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McCain-Palin Crowd-Size Estimates Not Backed by Officials
By Lorraine Woellert and Jeff Bliss
Sept. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Senator John McCain has drawn some of the biggest crowds of his presidential campaign since adding Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to his ticket on Aug. 29. Now officials say they can't substantiate the figures McCain's aides are claiming.
McCain aide Kimmie Lipscomb told reporters on Sept. 10 that an outdoor rally in Fairfax City, Virginia, drew 23,000 people, attributing the crowd estimate to a fire marshal.
Fairfax City Fire Marshal Andrew Wilson said his office did not supply that number to the campaign and could not confirm it. Wilson, in an interview, said the fire department does not monitor attendance at outdoor events.
In recent days, journalists attending the rallies have been raising questions about the crowd estimates with the campaign. In a story on Sept. 11 about Palin's attraction for some Virginia women voters, Washington Post reporter Marc Fisher estimated the crowd to be 8,000, not the 23,000 cited by the campaign.
``The 23,000 figure was substantiated on the ground,'' McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said. ``The campaign is willing to stand by the fact that it was our biggest crowd to date.''
``Since day one, this campaign has been consistent that we're not going to win or lose based on crowd size but the substance of John McCain's record,'' Bounds said.
Town Hall Meetings
Until Palin, 44, joined him on the campaign trail, McCain, 72, had limited his political events to smaller town hall meetings and rallies of a few hundred people. His Democratic rival, Barack Obama, an Illinois senator, routinely draws thousands of people to his speeches, a phenomenon McCain has tried to use to his advantage by labeling Obama, 47, a celebrity.
That changed on Aug. 30, at Palin's first big public appearance after her nomination. The McCain campaign said 10,000 people showed up at the Consol Energy Arena in Washington, Pennsylvania, home of the Washington Wild Things baseball team.
The campaign attributed that estimate, and several that followed, to U.S. Secret Service figures, based on the number of people who passed through magnetometers.
``We didn't provide any numbers to the campaign,'' said Malcolm Wiley, a spokesman for the U.S. Secret Service. Wiley said he would not ``confirm or dispute'' the numbers the McCain campaign has given to reporters.
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Too bad this won't get media attention.
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If McCain wins and we don't get national health care I'm going to be super pissed.
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On September 14 2008 10:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Too bad this won't get media attention. Even if it did I'm sure McCain supporters would just dismiss it as a total lie...or ignore it =/
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Fascinating chart! Thanks for posting it.
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i think in this time of need the usa needs a president that loves and is proud to be an american and stand for american values, and mccain and palin seem to be way better about that than obama
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United States22883 Posts
What are American values?
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On September 14 2008 12:50 shock n awe wrote:
i think in this time of need the usa needs a president that loves and is proud to be an american and stand for american values, and mccain and palin seem to be way better about that than obama ...so what exactly would Obama need to do to prove to someone like you he loves America?
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On September 14 2008 12:50 shock n awe wrote:
i think in this time of need the usa needs a president that loves and is proud to be an american and stand for american values, and mccain and palin seem to be way better about that than obama
Did you know that John McCain, at age 36, once climbed a flagpole, tore down an American Flag and replaced it with his pants stating, "I have more pride in a pair of China-made pants than in this country." He later went on to smoke a live kitten and eat the current White House press secretary alive.
God I wish I could be the one who made up all those fake e-mails and claims about patriotism, its so much fun.
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On September 14 2008 12:54 Falcynn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2008 12:50 shock n awe wrote:
i think in this time of need the usa needs a president that loves and is proud to be an american and stand for american values, and mccain and palin seem to be way better about that than obama ...so what exactly would Obama need to do to prove to someone like you he loves America?
well he acts like a european and we don't need that. and seriously, his name sounds so much like Osama its offensive, if he was such a good planner and knew he was going to run for president he should've legally changed his name to something more american. that can be his slogan, "even though hes from harvard and is black, hes still your average american joebama" that'd be hilarious and would win my vote
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On September 14 2008 12:57 geno wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2008 12:50 shock n awe wrote:
i think in this time of need the usa needs a president that loves and is proud to be an american and stand for american values, and mccain and palin seem to be way better about that than obama Did you know that John McCain, at age 36, once climbed a flagpole, tore down an American Flag and replaced it with his pants stating, "I have more pride in a pair of China-made pants than in this country." He later went on to smoke a live kitten and eat the current White House press secretary alive. God I wish I could be the one who made up all those fake e-mails and claims about patriotism, its so much fun.
this probably isn't true about McCain
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On September 14 2008 13:02 shock n awe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2008 12:54 Falcynn wrote:On September 14 2008 12:50 shock n awe wrote:
i think in this time of need the usa needs a president that loves and is proud to be an american and stand for american values, and mccain and palin seem to be way better about that than obama ...so what exactly would Obama need to do to prove to someone like you he loves America? well he acts like a european and we don't need that. and seriously, his name sounds so much like Osama its offensive, if he was such a good planner and knew he was going to run for president he should've legally changed his name to something more american. that can be his slogan, "even though hes from harvard and is black, hes still your average american joebama" that'd be hilarious and would win my vote ...you've got to be a troll right? I mean noone can be this shallow/ignorant.
On September 14 2008 13:02 shock n awe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2008 12:57 geno wrote:On September 14 2008 12:50 shock n awe wrote:
i think in this time of need the usa needs a president that loves and is proud to be an american and stand for american values, and mccain and palin seem to be way better about that than obama Did you know that John McCain, at age 36, once climbed a flagpole, tore down an American Flag and replaced it with his pants stating, "I have more pride in a pair of China-made pants than in this country." He later went on to smoke a live kitten and eat the current White House press secretary alive. God I wish I could be the one who made up all those fake e-mails and claims about patriotism, its so much fun. this probably isn't true about McCain
ok yeah, definitely troll, everyone can put your pitchforks down, just ignore him.
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also, that tax image is totally from the liberal media and thus is obviously biased. have you guys taken advanced income taxation in your school? no? then i dont see how you're qualified to understand the complex mccain tax cuts. its just like the Palin interview where they cut out all the parts of her sounding smart.
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Erm, does that include the payroll tax on wages over $250,000?
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United States22883 Posts
You played all your cards, man. You had us for a post or two, but now it's too late.
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On September 14 2008 13:02 shock n awe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2008 12:54 Falcynn wrote:On September 14 2008 12:50 shock n awe wrote:
i think in this time of need the usa needs a president that loves and is proud to be an american and stand for american values, and mccain and palin seem to be way better about that than obama ...so what exactly would Obama need to do to prove to someone like you he loves America? well he acts like a european and we don't need that. and seriously, his name sounds so much like Osama its offensive, if he was such a good planner and knew he was going to run for president he should've legally changed his name to something more american. that can be his slogan, "even though hes from harvard and is black, hes still your average american joebama" that'd be hilarious and would win my vote
I can't help giving this retard attention. I hate you with the depths of my soul. I hope you get clawed to death by kittens while being force fed sulphuric acid.
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This is the main reason why I'm not supporting Obama. I don't like being fucked by taxes. Look at the total lack of incentive to make 600k+.
That demographic always gets fucked [the poorest of the richest]. It's not rich enough to do whatever it wants, but it still fits in the highest tax bracket.
edit: Large national taxes are simply silly. Region to region, living costs fluctuate way too much to arbitrarily say "oh, you make this much money - we're going to tax you this much." The cost of living in some parts of the country is several times that in others. Fucking ridiculous.
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EPT![[image loading]](http://chartjunk.karmanaut.com/wp-content/images/taxplans.gif)
