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Broodwar balance awful with Remastered

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BWimba
Profile Joined April 2024
1 Post
April 03 2024 00:56 GMT
#1
I know that the game didn't change balance wise. But I think I heard that the engine delay somehow changed. With so many mechanic and complexity there was always room to grow in someone play. Now tho, it feels everyone plays so much better and fluid that the gearing imbalances that were always present are arising.

There are stuff like Dark Swarm taking ages, Carriers OP, missile turrets being absolute trash, etc.

Can't just as there is a Balance council for SC2. Be the same for Starcraft Broodwar ? Why isnt there such a thing ?

User was banned for this post.
Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2922 Posts
April 03 2024 01:55 GMT
#2
Bobby Kotick never liked democracy. Now that MS is in charge you could send your ideas to the Microsoft Gaming suggestion box.
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
MeIIOw
Profile Joined April 2020
United States76 Posts
April 03 2024 02:36 GMT
#3
Lol
remember that time idra was winning and he rage quit?
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2266 Posts
April 03 2024 03:17 GMT
#4
ure right we need a dictador to rule starcraft balance every few months.
StarCraft & Audax Italiano.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4180 Posts
April 03 2024 07:33 GMT
#5
nice try

bye bye
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Deathstar1
Profile Joined July 2018
8 Posts
April 03 2024 16:10 GMT
#6
lol im confused why was he banned for that post?
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-03 17:16:56
April 03 2024 17:16 GMT
#7
On April 04 2024 01:10 Deathstar1 wrote:
lol im confused why was he banned for that post?


Trolling? Remastered didnt change balance.

Could have written this in 2007 and it would still be same balance.
-.-
LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1424 Posts
April 03 2024 17:23 GMT
#8
On April 04 2024 01:10 Deathstar1 wrote:
lol im confused why was he banned for that post?


The OTHER Balance Council has spoken lel.. I think it's because it looks so much like a troll post it's indistinguishable.

I think balance wise maps are the biggest factor. That tramples everything else.

In ALL fairness there ARE minor but NOT insignificant changes.

For example Valkyries are now fixed and Terrans are using em more. IDK how many it took for em to bug out before... But maybe it's part of the reason?



ko-fi.com/luckynoob
Deathstar1
Profile Joined July 2018
8 Posts
April 03 2024 17:24 GMT
#9
"But I think I heard that the engine delay somehow changed. With so many mechanic and complexity there was always room to grow in someone play. Now tho, it feels everyone plays so much better and fluid that the gearing imbalances that were always present are arising."

Idk doesnt seem like he was trolling. He's saying that it has changed since 2007
CerebrateHector
Profile Joined January 2024
53 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-03 17:29:44
April 03 2024 17:28 GMT
#10
On April 04 2024 01:10 Deathstar1 wrote:
lol im confused why was he banned for that post?



I think because of the name.

Although i dont know who it was that said that with Remastered they fixed a random delay or the game was more fluid, making mutalisks more powerful.

I would tend to agree tho that there are some stuff in the game that are OP, the worst obvious offender being defiler and carriers.

I think a Balance council alla SC2 and specially map making contests could also invigorate Broodwar
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States859 Posts
April 03 2024 17:50 GMT
#11
On April 04 2024 02:28 CerebrateHector wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2024 01:10 Deathstar1 wrote:
lol im confused why was he banned for that post?



I think because of the name.

Although i dont know who it was that said that with Remastered they fixed a random delay or the game was more fluid, making mutalisks more powerful.

I would tend to agree tho that there are some stuff in the game that are OP, the worst obvious offender being defiler and carriers.

I think a Balance council alla SC2 and specially map making contests could also invigorate Broodwar


^ please ban this guy. Prob a 1200 mmr terran
Life is just life
LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1424 Posts
April 03 2024 17:54 GMT
#12
On April 04 2024 02:50 Shinokuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2024 02:28 CerebrateHector wrote:
On April 04 2024 01:10 Deathstar1 wrote:
lol im confused why was he banned for that post?



I think because of the name.

Although i dont know who it was that said that with Remastered they fixed a random delay or the game was more fluid, making mutalisks more powerful.

I would tend to agree tho that there are some stuff in the game that are OP, the worst obvious offender being defiler and carriers.

I think a Balance council alla SC2 and specially map making contests could also invigorate Broodwar


^ please ban this guy. Prob a 1200 mmr terran


He has a drone picture tho! Sad...

THERE WILL BE NO BALLANCE CHANGES TO BROOD WAR PERIOD.

If (Overmind forbid) somehow it happens I guarantee you large number (if not all) BW players would just avoid it and play as before in some way.
ko-fi.com/luckynoob
Rucho
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States124 Posts
April 03 2024 18:30 GMT
#13
On April 04 2024 02:28 CerebrateHector wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2024 01:10 Deathstar1 wrote:
lol im confused why was he banned for that post?



I think because of the name.

Although i dont know who it was that said that with Remastered they fixed a random delay or the game was more fluid, making mutalisks more powerful.

I would tend to agree tho that there are some stuff in the game that are OP, the worst obvious offender being defiler and carriers.

I think a Balance council alla SC2 and specially map making contests could also invigorate Broodwar



dear god no. if balance whine had affected BW the way it affected sc2 zealots would be weaker, probes nerfed, marines buffed, mech upgrades nerfed, vulture/mine nerf, dt rush nerf, storm nerf, carrier nerf, defiler nerfed, etc. all the strong game breaking units would be brought more in line with the game, making it more boring

imagine a world where gas steal zealot rush doesn't exist. where marine medic turret can easily hold off mutas and even push out w/o irradiate. where vultures cost/supply/mines aren't completely broken (the threat of fast vultures and mines is the only reason tvp is even playable) and instead they just have more health or something. or carriers aren't a game ending threat.

etc etc. the sc2 balance team would DEFINITELY never let consume + plague exist.
antes los dollares eran bonitos, pero ahorra dollares ni ay
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3353 Posts
April 03 2024 19:14 GMT
#14
Sc2 is leaking!
Horang2 fan
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
April 04 2024 04:44 GMT
#15
On April 04 2024 02:23 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2024 01:10 Deathstar1 wrote:
lol im confused why was he banned for that post?


The OTHER Balance Council has spoken lel.. I think it's because it looks so much like a troll post it's indistinguishable.

I think balance wise maps are the biggest factor. That tramples everything else.

In ALL fairness there ARE minor but NOT insignificant changes.

For example Valkyries are now fixed and Terrans are using em more. IDK how many it took for em to bug out before... But maybe it's part of the reason?





About 30 valks. So not really a problem 1v1.
-.-
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
April 04 2024 04:44 GMT
#16
On April 04 2024 04:14 WGT-Baal wrote:
Sc2 is leaking!


Lul..
-.-
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