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TL.net Bot
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hexhaven
Finland931 Posts
* Attendees should be fully vaccinated and boostered, with testing as needed. | ||
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Jealous
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I am comfortable with going grocery shopping, because it is easy to social distance, and it doesn't take very long, so I can sanitize my hands, remove my mask, and move on with my life quite quickly afterward. I am comfortable going to a few local bars that I know, because I know the owners, I know the atmosphere, and I know the people I am going with, and it is definitely a low risk situation (also socially distanced, good cleaning done between customers, rarely a lot of people there in the first place even before the pandemic outside of peak hours/dates, etc.) An eSports event? No thank you. Too many strangers from too many different places, many probably hailing from urban areas which are hotbeds for transmission, many who probably have lacking hygiene or are just straight up anti-vaxxers, etc. Fuck all that noise. Watching eSports live is not worth the risk to my family, even with this milder variant. You never know who will get lasting long-term effects or what they even might be for Omicron at this point. eSports has the privilege (in many situations) of being very flexible in terms of venue, to the point where the whole tournament can run online in most cases. Sure, it is less "hype" and not nearly as social because Twitch chat is cancer, but at the very least the games can continue and the players have something to practice for. We should be exercising that privilege as much as possible. Furthermore, I feel like I wouldn't want to go to an eSports event because it will be populated by people who are okay with going to a major sporting event right now, which implies to me that their understanding or appreciation of the severity of the virus does not line up with my own, so I'd rather just not deal with them/that situation. Finally, I feel like giving up and attending events of this nature are part of the reason why we are 2 years into this shit at this point, too. I don't want to contribute to the problem. Would like to add that I currently live outside NYC so I am imagining an NYC/AC event. | ||
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Master of DalK
Canada1797 Posts
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Poopi
France12793 Posts
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Beelzebub1
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koalabro
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JJH777
United States4403 Posts
On January 17 2022 06:02 koalabro wrote: I was ready in the middle of 2020. Hell, I'm unvaccinated now and ready to go as long no vaccination, masks or temperature checks are required. Yikes. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
But it will depend heavily in their safty measures. If it is going to be vaccinated + Boosted + tested and social distancing and Hygiene Standards in place, I might consider it. I still feel unconfortable in the Metro though, especially in rush hours, there are just to many people in the same enclosed space with you. Luckily I work from home like 90% of the time | ||
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Spinoza
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I don't want to rot away in isolation. Life should and must be experienced at the fullest. This madness must stop. Cheers everyone!  | ||
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TequilaMockingbird
Germany64 Posts
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Gluon
Netherlands390 Posts
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TheCheapSkate
Slovenia316 Posts
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Jealous
10138 Posts
This thread already has multiple examples of the kind of mentality that would be present among the attendees of an eSports event right now, which contributes to my saying "fuck no." With attendees like these, IEM Katowice could become a "super spreader" event just like that. | ||
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Spirral
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On January 18 2022 00:32 Jealous wrote: This thread already has multiple examples of the kind of mentality that would be present among the attendees of an eSports event right now, which contributes to my saying "fuck no." With attendees like these, IEM Katowice could become a "super spreader" event just like that. Another issue is that IEM Katowice is happening in Poland where sadly the mentality of many seems to be to not give a shit about Covid restrictions. Many people don't even wear masks in the supermarkets and in buses/trains and usually nobody cares because there is a general approval to go against the regulations. The current government is afraid to impose stricter regulations, probably to not piss off their electorate and not damage the economy even more. However it is important to note that Poland has one of the highest ratio of Covid-related deaths so one should be extremely careful when going there. Take note that if the Polish government allows for such events to take place it doesn't mean it's safe to go there. If they cared about people's safety they would close down everything long ago. | ||
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billynasty
United States260 Posts
We need to get back to life eventually. People are getting infected without having esports events so we might as well have esports cuz what difference does it make? Go abide by the local rules on vaccinations, where a mask & take precautions but live some kind of life. The way this is being spoken about, this is something we're gonna have to live with (and die with) for years to come. I'd rather live life as much as possible when i have it, than be in some suspended animation state in perpetuity where for years none of us are living at all. Theres a new variant called Deltacron. Months from now there'll be Omideltacovidcron. Next year it'll be something else & then the next year. If we stick with the status quo it could be years before a live SC2 event takes place again. Heck the gaem could be daed by then... and so could you. It'd be nice to live a bit when we still can imho  | ||
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
On January 17 2022 06:02 koalabro wrote: I was ready in the middle of 2020. Hell, I'm unvaccinated now and ready to go as long no vaccination, masks or temperature checks are required. If these are the kinds of people going - no, not comfortable at all. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10671 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
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Drahkn
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MY OPINION emphasis on my opinion here is stop being afraid of COVID, if you have no underlying diseases just respect the rules in the country you are in. So for the love of God if you are a healthy young chap stop letting this stupid virus effect how you feel go out there have fun but respect the covid rules at all times. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
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Jealous
10138 Posts
Just one story about long-haulers, or people who are asymptomatic transmitters attending a wedding and killing someone's family members, is all you need to understand that it is not a fucking joke. You're young and healthy, you'll be fine! FFS I have family that can't even be vaccinated and the long term effects are a crapshoot at this point. Have some fucking perspective. | ||
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
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Drahkn
190 Posts
On January 18 2022 10:28 Jealous wrote: I would have been able to interpret this poll in an optimistic light ("People from well-managed countries with low risk probably have less reason to be concerned!") but the ignorant responses continue to prove otherwise. I know I'm harping on at this point but this poll has struck another nail in the coffin for my faith in other humans. Just one story about long-haulers, or people who are asymptomatic transmitters attending a wedding and killing someone's family members, is all you need to understand that it is not a fucking joke. You're young and healthy, you'll be fine! FFS I have family that can't even be vaccinated and the long term effects are a crapshoot at this point. Have some fucking perspective. People who can get seriously ill from covid should never go to a wedding in the first place. And if you are vaccinated you will be fine unless you have some extremely serious disease then you should not go anywhere during this pandemic and stay as safe as possible until its over. It might sound brutal but if you are not vaccinated and or vaccinated but have a illness that can make you really sick you should not go to a wedding, you don't blame someone at the wedding for that person getting sick that is just insanity. If there was no test required to enter the wedding then you know the risk and its your own responsibility. | ||
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Husyelt
United States830 Posts
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
No requirements for vax, booster, masks, or testing, people can make their own choices at this stage. Also, feel comfortable being relatively young, healthy, and not morbidly obese. This may trigger some, but its just my opinion of course. Glad to see the majority of poll respondents seem to agree so far selecting very comfortable. Time to get back to e-sports. | ||
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JJH777
United States4403 Posts
On January 18 2022 13:47 Nick_54 wrote: Selected very comfortable. No requirements for vax, booster, masks, or testing, people can make their own choices at this stage. Also, feel comfortable being relatively young, healthy, and not morbidly obese. This may trigger some, but its just my opinion of course. Glad to see the majority of poll respondents seem to agree so far selecting very comfortable. Time to get back to e-sports. I think you're misinterpreting the poll results. I voted that I feel very comfortable because I would attend an event with a vaccine or test within 24 hours requirement. While not necessarily out of any fear of safety for myself (more because I'm triple vaxxed than my health and age, young healthy people have died of COVID-19 in high numbers relative to other causes of death for that group) I would not support the type of event that you're describing. | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On January 18 2022 14:11 JJH777 wrote: I think you're misinterpreting the poll results. I voted that I feel very comfortable because I would attend an event with a vaccine or test within 24 hours requirement. While not necessarily out of any fear of safety for myself (more because I'm triple vaxxed than my health and age, young healthy people have died of COVID-19 in high numbers relative to other causes of death for that group) I would not support the type of event that you're describing. I see, my interpretation was that somewhat comfortable would be people that are comfortable going but with potential restrictions and precautions. Very comfortable would be people just willing to let it rip no matter what. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28649 Posts
But that's separate from 'is hosting big events with people flying in from all around the world a good idea'. The answer to that question from my perspective is more related to the particular time and region - it's not a good idea to host such events in places experiencing particularly impactful surges in hospitalizations, but if a region has things under control, sure thing. Then the problem is that it seems rather difficult to predict this on a two+ month time frame. But in general, I think we do need to start moving forward. | ||
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IMSupervisor
Australia138 Posts
Personally, I would attend a tournament if there were reasonable protections put in place - masks, vaccinations, social distancing etc. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On January 18 2022 15:17 Nick_54 wrote: I see, my interpretation was that somewhat comfortable would be people that are comfortable going but with potential restrictions and precautions. Very comfortable would be people just willing to let it rip no matter what. I selected somewhat comfortable, because I would be somewhat comfortable, given the maximum safety measures (3x vaxxed+ tested+ masks + distance in the Venue as well). If the event was like you discribed, I would be very unconfortable and would defnatly 100% not go there | ||
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Blargh
United States2102 Posts
On January 17 2022 04:38 hexhaven wrote: With proper safety measures in place*, very comfortable. Katowice is in just over a month, and though there's a chance it won't happen without an audience, I'm hopeful. My reasoning is that even if I get exposed, I can quarantine pretty easily, and I'm not interacting with vulnerable people. * Attendees should be fully vaccinated and boostered, with testing as needed. Those conditions put you at VERY COMFORTABLE?!! I don't think it'll be too bad by then, but crowded events right now are essentially a guaranteed exposure. That doesn't necessarily mean you'll get infected since vaccines do still have some effect (certainly at preventing severe disease). But with Omicron, even a booster is insufficient for complete protection in most people. There also seems to be diverse symptoms with infection not necessarily causing respiratory disease. One such is rashes and hives. It's hard for me to feel good about going into that. Indifferent at best.... | ||
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CJherOfan
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On January 18 2022 19:26 Blargh wrote: Those conditions put you at VERY COMFORTABLE?!! I don't think it'll be too bad by then, but crowded events right now are essentially a guaranteed exposure. That doesn't necessarily mean you'll get infected since vaccines do still have some effect (certainly at preventing severe disease). But with Omicron, even a booster is insufficient for complete protection in most people. There also seems to be diverse symptoms with infection not necessarily causing respiratory disease. One such is rashes and hives. It's hard for me to feel good about going into that. Indifferent at best.... Can confirm, I'm just getting over Omicron and the respiratory effects were very minor compared to the other symptoms I had, hives and rashes being some of them. Just because this thing is unlikely to kill you at this point if you've been vaccinated doesn't mean it's something you want to come down with believe me. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On January 18 2022 10:01 Drahkn wrote: If you are vaccinated and you have no underlying diseases there is no reason to be afraid of COVID you will be fine. Driving a car aint 100% safe either but we agree as humans the risk involved and its acceptable. MY OPINION emphasis on my opinion here is stop being afraid of COVID, if you have no underlying diseases just respect the rules in the country you are in. So for the love of God if you are a healthy young chap stop letting this stupid virus effect how you feel go out there have fun but respect the covid rules at all times. I honestly think Covid has been the best thing to happen to severe introverts who can finally take pride in being anti-social. At some point people will have to be able to make a personal choice (speaking as a vaxxed/boosted person), whether it's now or later I don't know. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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Jealous
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hexhaven
Finland931 Posts
On January 18 2022 19:26 Blargh wrote: Those conditions put you at VERY COMFORTABLE?!! I don't think it'll be too bad by then, but crowded events right now are essentially a guaranteed exposure. That doesn't necessarily mean you'll get infected since vaccines do still have some effect (certainly at preventing severe disease). But with Omicron, even a booster is insufficient for complete protection in most people. There also seems to be diverse symptoms with infection not necessarily causing respiratory disease. One such is rashes and hives. It's hard for me to feel good about going into that. Indifferent at best.... I was in Katowice in 2020 and had a bad three week flu that started pretty much exactly two weeks after I'd returned. Back then we didn't really have testing capacity set up yet, and it was never confirmed, so who knows whether it was COVID or not. Or whether I actually picked it up from the event or not. Only a tiny number of people were wearing masks. Most bars were absolutely packed to the brim because they didn't let the audience inside the venue. Personally I'd be worried about infecting vulnerable people, but as I said, I can quarantine pretty easily after an event. I'm comfortable taking that risk for myself, but I know that I'm generally not exactly risk-averse. At Blast Fall Finals in Copenhagen they had a mix of lateral flow tests and masks. At VCT Masters Berlin we had tests daily, and masks at most times. But those were both before Omicron really took over, so might be different. | ||
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DSK
England1110 Posts
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honorablemacroterran
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JonnyJorumba
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Deleted User 3420
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So, very comfortable. | ||
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T_R
United States3 Posts
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Kitai
United States873 Posts
Tl;Dr, don't just think of yourself, think of who else you might spread it to, and who they might spread it to, etc. Being young and healthy doesn't make someone invincible. | ||
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Kitai
United States873 Posts
On February 02 2022 03:44 T_R wrote: Very comfortable. Young with no comorbidities. I'm not vaccinated but I've had covid twice (very mild symptoms both times) so I have natural immunity. Like travis I don't mask unless I have to. If people are truly that at risk from something as mild as Omicron then they weren't going to events even before covid and if they do now they, like everyone else, go at their own risk. So you caught COVID once, and then caught it again, and still think catching it gives you natural immunity. If you catch it a third time are you going to be super duper immune? 🤔 | ||
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Jisira
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People feel personally offended by the notion of wearing a piece of fabric in a slightly inconveniencing place to the point where there are others who are forced to stay home all the time to be safe. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7104 Posts
On February 01 2022 01:07 travis wrote: I go wherever I want. I am unvaccinated and don't wear masks unless I have to. My life is awesome and my family has been healthy and happy throughout this whole "pandemic". No anxiety or fear or desire to control others. So, very comfortable. Imagine thinking that this isn't a pandemic lol. What a way to spit on the graves of people who died from this :D | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On February 02 2022 20:10 Luolis wrote: Imagine thinking that this isn't a pandemic lol. What a way to spit on the graves of people who died from this :D Imagine thinking that you can go anywhere without the possibility of infecting someone with something lol. Way to spit on the graves of anyone who's ever died, ever! Guess you should stay home the rest of your life. At least that'd be a personal choice, unlike mandates and such. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7104 Posts
On February 02 2022 22:16 mierin wrote: Imagine thinking that you can go anywhere without the possibility of infecting someone with something lol. Way to spit on the graves of anyone who's ever died, ever! Guess you should stay home the rest of your life. At least that'd be a personal choice, unlike mandates and such. Who pissed in your cereal? All i said is that it's disrespectful to say that this isnt a pandemic. Do you have problems with reading comprehension or are you just a moron? | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On February 02 2022 22:19 Luolis wrote: Who pissed in your cereal? All i said is that it's disrespectful to say that this isnt a pandemic. Do you have problems with reading comprehension or are you just a moron? The guy gives his opinion regarding the question. You respond to him for not liking his opinion. Another guy calls you out for it. Now the other guy is a moron or can't read. Try to keep it classy my guy, this toxicity doesn't do anyone any good. | ||
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Dingodile
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JJH777
United States4403 Posts
On February 02 2022 22:16 mierin wrote: Imagine thinking that you can go anywhere without the possibility of infecting someone with something lol. Way to spit on the graves of anyone who's ever died, ever! Guess you should stay home the rest of your life. At least that'd be a personal choice, unlike mandates and such. This implies that most people die of transmissible diseases even outside of pandemics which isn't true at all. In normal years when we aren't in a pandemic these types of diseases kill a very small percent of the amount of people who die like single digit percents (based on US data). As opposed to the last 2 years where somewhere around 10-15% of all deaths were from COVID plus a similar percentage of hospitalizations. Though in general I do think the western world is rather self center when it comes to these types of illnesses. Masking when you are sick should have been commonplace long before COVID as it is in Asian countries. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7104 Posts
On February 03 2022 01:49 Nick_54 wrote: The guy gives his opinion regarding the question. You respond to him for not liking his opinion. Another guy calls you out for it. Now the other guy is a moron or can't read. Try to keep it classy my guy, this toxicity doesn't do anyone any good. Jesus Christ what has happened to TL. Its not a fucking opinion if there is a pandemic or not. NEWSFLASH: THERE IS A PANDEMIC AND PEOPLE HAVE DIED AND CONTINUE TO DIE. This is not a matter of opinions and if you dont understand that, i presume you dont have the ability of reading comprehension either or you are just a moron as well. I dont even know why i keep wasting my time with this shit, if you dont understand that right from the start i was criticizing this dude for saying that this is a "pandemic" to suggest that covid or the covid pandemic isnt real, i dunno what to say. | ||
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Christopher7
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On February 03 2022 03:41 Luolis wrote: Jesus Christ what has happened to TL. Its not a fucking opinion if there is a pandemic or not. NEWSFLASH: THERE IS A PANDEMIC AND PEOPLE HAVE DIED AND CONTINUE TO DIE. This is not a matter of opinions and if you dont understand that, i presume you dont have the ability of reading comprehension either or you are just a moron as well. I dont even know why i keep wasting my time with this shit, if you dont understand that right from the start i was criticizing this dude for saying that this is a "pandemic" to suggest that covid or the covid pandemic isnt real, i dunno what to say. Last I checked, TL has always been a forum for open discussion. Try to remember that instead of insulting people and playing the victim repeatedly. | ||
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Jealous
10138 Posts
On February 03 2022 04:57 Nick_54 wrote: Last I checked, TL has always been a forum for open discussion. Try to remember that instead of insulting people and playing the victim repeatedly. TL also bans COVID misinformation and conspiracy theories IIRC. | ||
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honorablemacroterran
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Luolis
Finland7104 Posts
On February 03 2022 04:57 Nick_54 wrote: Last I checked, TL has always been a forum for open discussion. Try to remember that instead of insulting people and playing the victim repeatedly. How am i playing the victim? I said that what the guy wrote was wrong and you've yet to answer anything to me about that. Wtf | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On February 03 2022 05:18 Jealous wrote: TL also bans COVID misinformation and conspiracy theories IIRC. The thread is about how comfortable YOU feel about attending a live e-sports event. The guy gave his opinion. Opinions will obviously vary. | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On February 03 2022 05:26 Luolis wrote: How am i playing the victim? I said that what the guy wrote was wrong and you've yet to answer anything to me about that. Wtf Everyone is a moron and has reading comprehension issues because they don't have the same opinion in a thread asking about personal opinion according to you. Please try to keep it classy. | ||
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hexhaven
Finland931 Posts
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Christopher7
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honorablemacroterran
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On February 03 2022 06:02 Christopher7 wrote: Where can we see the poll results? Thanks It's on the home page. Look on the left side of the middle panel under the featured video. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7104 Posts
On February 03 2022 05:36 Nick_54 wrote: Everyone is a moron and has reading comprehension issues because they don't have the same opinion in a thread asking about personal opinion according to you. Please try to keep it classy. Again. I do not care a bit about how he wants to go about his life. All i am saying that it is disrespectful to say that the pandemic doesnt exist. | ||
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hexhaven
Finland931 Posts
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On February 03 2022 06:36 Luolis wrote: Again. I do not care a bit about how he wants to go about his life. All i am saying that it is disrespectful to say that the pandemic doesnt exist. His disrespect triggers you, so you disrespect him by calling him a moron and saying he can't read. Eye for an eye the whole world goes blind. Anyway I already answered the question and replied already, so I'm done with this. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On February 03 2022 04:57 Nick_54 wrote: Last I checked, TL has always been a forum for open discussion. Try to remember that instead of insulting people and playing the victim repeatedly. You can have an open discussion but whether or not there is a pandemic is just a fact. It actually boggles my mind someone would dispute that. | ||
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T_R
United States3 Posts
On February 02 2022 17:18 Kitai wrote: So you caught COVID once, and then caught it again, and still think catching it gives you natural immunity. If you catch it a third time are you going to be super duper immune? 🤔 First, both natural and vaccine immunity wane over time. Though from what I have seen natural immunity seems more robust. I had covid in March 2020 (mild) and then again January 2021 (even more mild) so it's no shock that I (like basically everyone else, including the vaccinated) got Omicron. Second, you don't know what natural immunity is. Natural immunity (like vaccine immunity) doesn't mean you can't catch something ever again. It means that you are less likely to catch it in the future and if you do it probably won't make you as sick. Third, the same thing could be said about the vaccinated. Plenty of people are double and triple vaccinated yet they still get sick and still get other people sick. But hey, maybe by the 10th booster you'll be super duper immune and never get sick again. | ||
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RogZardo1
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On February 03 2022 08:57 phodacbiet wrote: 200% comfortable. The people that are going to be going to these events are going to be sc2 players, and lets be real, us sc2 players have been quarantining (maybe not by choice) before covid even started. Ouch. Yet so true | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
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Beelzebub1
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25080 Posts
I don’t have a huge amount of faith in my fellow human to not do things like ‘turn up anyway despite probably having Covid’ and whatnot. Any event would likely require travel on my part, and that’s got to be a pain in the ass logistically if I did end up with Covid while abroad. Or not. I’ve lost track of all the rules and regs at this point. | ||
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