On June 14 2007 10:16 Instigata wrote: progamers might try doing different or unusual strats, i bet gorush practicing perfecting muta/queen on desperado would have taken a beating.
On June 14 2007 10:47 stalife wrote: im guessing light[alive] is playing iccup too on "thinkaboutit"
he got canada flag , but maybe he used proxy for create account or someone create account for him . because one of my friend played him and got fucking owned + he got same hotkey + about same apm .
but that would be realy stupid to use the same name since all people know he who now , but maybe he dont care , who know .
Progamer sometimes needs to let out his anger and get back his self-confidence after defeat. Bashing noobs is a one way too Especially when you got owned like shit by Stork xD
I think we should use our TL names with [tl] tag. That'd seem one of the simplest methods of antihack. We're a pretty decent community and there are a lot of us, playing [tl] people should be safer than randoms.
On June 14 2007 16:09 Kwark wrote: I think we should use our TL names with [tl] tag. That'd seem one of the simplest methods of antihack. We're a pretty decent community and there are a lot of us, playing [tl] people should be safer than randoms.
Great idea. This way it will be like just playing WGT in op TL-West.
It's been said like 3000 times that they are upgrading the server or w/e this weekend, and that it will be much more stable and able to serve after the weekend.
You guys are showing your ignorance of professional skill. 8 raxes and cheeses don't work on high level players like him unless they are done by opponents with actual high level skill, believe it or not. (They do, but much rarer than they would otherwise). And we've seen him defend those nicely enough. He doesn't choose strategies at random, he controls the game, like most progamers. It's just he does it even better than they do.
Savior would be 40-0 dicking around with fun strats and off races.
I would expect to see him with stats like 100-5 / 120-15 at worst.
On June 14 2007 20:32 MorningWood wrote: TT1 instead of complaining about every ladder that comes out why dont u just make ur own ladder that is perfect, otherwise stfu
wow dude shut ur goddamn mouth who the fuck are you to tell me what to or say or not say, the ladder lags and im just stating it.. chill and go after some tampons cus ur menstruation cycle comin up soon
lol, "im just stating" that all u do is complain and its very annoying. i dont see u doing much of anything to fix the situation and i think the admin team knows what problems they have to fix so just keep things like that to urself
well Testie i think that on no anti-hack server even and savior can lose.... btw maybe he play vs some other korean pro and lose match's but dunno anyway i think savior will pwnz too and he is not playing now
On June 15 2007 08:31 Tarmak_mk wrote: well Testie i think that on no anti-hack server even and savior can lose....
no, he wouldnt lose.
Its not like an auto aim like in counter strike. its just map vision. You would probably freak out all the time seeing that you cant keep up with him and eventually lose anyway.
On June 15 2007 08:31 Tarmak_mk wrote: well Testie i think that on no anti-hack server even and savior can lose....
no, he wouldnt lose.
Its not like an auto aim like in counter strike. its just map vision. You would probably freak out all the time seeing that you cant keep up with him and eventually lose anyway.
Savior isn't immortal... If he played 20-30 games, all with people using map hack, I'm pretty sure he would lose at least three or four of them. But then again, you guys are just paranoid. I don't think there is that many hackers on iCCup, it was the same whining with Abyss and even though I played a lot there I never noticed anything.
Shauni, you have no idea of the ignorance you're displaying of Savior and the immense level of talent it takes to play at his level.
He loses a lot of practice games... vs high caliber professional gamers like Iris who have extraordinary talent and play for 10 hours a day. Not vs Joe Schmoe on the internet.
Some guys dont seem to realize that with the way pro gamers are playing and with their skills they almost have some sort of ''hack''. They can keep their probes/scvs/drones basicaly as long in your main as they want to. Even one or two ranged units wont stop it that fast..
They basicaly play as if they had hack on,.. because they simply scout everything and the stuff they dont scout .. they just know or ''feel''..
IF someone hacks vs savior he needs still to have a very very high level in order to win. Its not like some PGT C+ up To A guy can turn on hack and win vs savior. Its a bit more complicated ; )
Testie would probably win vs savior if he played with hack on so would mondi and draco and a few other top notch gamers but to the rest.. i think a hack wont help you vs savior.. lol
testie maybe u know maybe u not. in every sport its 10% talent and 90% practice.so i think its same in bw too u have more expirence so i think u know better
[B] IF someone hacks vs savior he needs still to have a very very high level in order to win. Its not like some PGT C+ up To A guy can turn on hack and win vs savior. Its a bit more complicated ; )
Testie would probably win vs savior if he played with hack on so would mondi and draco and a few other top notch gamers but to the rest.. i think a hack wont help you vs savior.. lol
did u watch that game themoon[light] aka syndicate vs light[alive] ? this guy have 2% understanding for the game.. he could finish light X times in that game,dunno if he didnt want or he is just brainless..
did u ever played bo3 on (4 player map) zvz vs map hacker who have good understanding for game ?
yes savior is awesome x 100 player, but i think u overrating him vs map hack...
You guys need to think about it more carefully, its not just a matter of "oh savior is a pro gamer, he practices x amount of times, blah blah blah".
Certain matchups are absolutely disastrous with maphack. Savior would get his ass handed to him out of 20 games 30% of the time if it was a zvz, just because the initial time when it takes to scout is the most crucial and even then, the players have such mobility with zerg air and ground that they can find holes in savior's base or play and take advantage.
Other matchups like, tvz and zvp are much harder. Tvz, you have the opportunity of never letting savior expand farther than half the map, while in pvz u probably and most likely will get owned every time.
You have to be retarded to think Savior could lose 30% of the time to a non-professional. The only players that could beat him 30% of the time with hacking, that aren't pro, are like the top 3 foreign zergs. Maybe top 5. And even then, on LAN, i'd probably put that number a bit lower because Saviors mutas have +1 range hack.
He's not playing top foreign zergs. Hell, Sen and Mondi don't even play iccup as far as I know yet. He's not going to lose to the best players in clan x17 over at iccup, even if they hack. The general skill of it now. He doesn't care what players of such a low caliber of skill do.
pro gamers dominate foreigners in the mechanics macro n micro which maphack has no effect on. Foreigners come the closest in skill level throught strategy but koreans still dominate that, maphack will only effect the strategy and timing aspect of the game. The progamers such as savior would still beat almost all foreigners with maphack because of how superior his macro and micro are
i think i understand what testie is saying, but i cant help but wonder how in the world would savior defend against 4 pool when his enemy know exactly where he is, and sees he's going for not-so-early pool for example. i mean, sure he can micro his drones/units 5X better than any foreigner, but still - its not like his drones can fly.
don't even continue this discussion? a pretty dim witted person as yourself can just say that in the end and hope to retain any sort of intelligence. You're either being ignorant, or just your views so obscure by this "progamers are infallible, they will not lose to simple means, they're above that".
We're not talking about clan x17 people who couldn't beat good foreignors with maphacks, we're talking about "actual" good foreignors who use tactics and strategies with their means of perfect timing and execution with the use of the maphack. Then evens the play field regardless if their macro or micro suck ass. How do u micro a person harassing EVERY weak point of ur play, as soon as you leave, u get attacked, as soon as you defend you get attacked.
You're being ignorant in thinking THEY are not prone to making mistakes and losing to other players.
for example, this is how retarded a hack can be if they dont care of being caught. What if you simply just send a scout out to where the progamer is and just proxy him from INSIDE, the progamer never saw a scout, doesnt know hes playing a maphacker, PROGAMERS are not psychics, they wouldnt know anything is wrong, luck would have to play.
If you look at the ladder, you can see that no top foreigners are currently playing around the fake IPXZerg's place right now.
You can also note that the skill level is generally low thus far.
No high level professional gamer would rack up any significant amount of losses, regardless of the matchup if every single player was hacking at it's current skill in this playing field.
Lyc you're changing it all around to win the argument. Now you're making it, "Well if said hacker does this how would he win!?"
Sometimes, with simple micro and scouting. Sometimes progamers in a lower field use safe builds, such as 9 pool and use their skill to just control the game. Savior can 9 pool vs any opponent, even top professionals and make a game out of it even if he's behind vs them. In this field, where no real professionals except perhaps 1 or 2 play, he would have no problems.
The discussion was over before. It's over now. No one cares, let's get back on topic.
Ahhh.. those were the nice days of WGT Season 8 wasnt it? when KTF and POS came over to WGT.. so gosu! Twas back when Reach was still on Hanbit soft though =[ KTF_Autumn/qwerqweruiop was the shit!
Rofl.. Even the manager of POS, Bejjang, at the time was owning the ladder w/ different races and he wasn't even a pro-gamer, he just watched them play! Koreans > Bw.. O_O
I think MYM....Testie is Testie, but he's ignorant and didn't /w me back when I asked him for a game! Boo-hoo If any1 wants to play some Baekdu games, you can find me on ZHaDum[F2F] Cheers
On June 15 2007 15:02 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: for reference, Yellow went 99-8 in a season of WGT, and only one of his losses didn't come from another progamer
new server is pretty awesome it has like no more lag, iccup managed to get new server running in like 1 day + they still let the server run while they were changing only the site didnt work, its been like 2 months now that wgt is supposidly changing servers ;p
koreans dont want to play vs a)random b)some races on certain maps c)90% of them play only python,baekdu,tau and longinus d)50% of them doesnt speak english ...
that really pisses me off especially that i cant random anymore t.t
On June 15 2007 15:02 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: for reference, Yellow went 99-8 in a season of WGT, and only one of his losses didn't come from another progamer
he also played random and fucked around with dumb builds every game
On June 15 2007 15:02 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: for reference, Yellow went 99-8 in a season of WGT, and only one of his losses didn't come from another progamer
he also played random and fucked around with dumb builds every game
i dont know why when everyone sees a good terran its aumotamically assem even tho he now isnt good . i know who he is but he isnt assem ;/
if someone is thinking EvaMendez is Hungtran, and that Hungtran might hack.. his stats are like 36-33... I wonder if it's a ploy.. or if maybe he's not hacking.. O_O
On June 17 2007 04:18 tehsex wrote: evamendez is syndicate as far as i know
but evamendez is on microgamerz team. so unless dino has 3 accounts, it's gotta be hungtran.
as far as his hacking, i really dont know. im in the same boat as testie. i dont know anything about it personally, but i've heard suspicions so i just thought i'd throw it out there. i dont mean to make an accusation and i'd really prefer to know whether or not there has ever been concrete evidence against him.
Great job wgtour. By delaying and delaying your opening u managed it again.. Now we have to good ladders and the community will once again be split ..T_T
ill start playing iccup soon, too
@ testie : u said your accoutn was already taken. I thought that first, too but then i remember i already registered with this acc at abyss ! You just have to log in with your acc u had on abyss and it works, too.
dont know if this is the case for u , too.. just wanted to help..
regarding the discussion earlier there's a big difference between maphacking and playing with shared vision. maphackers cannot be 100% obvious in every game. savior would almost never lose against any maphacking foreigner.. i could definitely see him losing against a few select foreigners while sharing vision though.
and arch record is tainted he plays D ranks at C rank and he does it all the time he doesnt C vs C or even C vs C- its C vs D prolly some newb statser =]
On June 17 2007 06:52 Liquid`Drone wrote: regarding the discussion earlier there's a big difference between maphacking and playing with shared vision. maphackers cannot be 100% obvious in every game. savior would almost never lose against any maphacking foreigner.. i could definitely see him losing against a few select foreigners while sharing vision though.
last point for this discussion, i never once mentioned that foreignors with maphacks could win if they pretended not to hack, i was just stating, a flat out maphacking sequence.
we are currently working on antihack system >.< Unfortunatelly, work proogress is very slow, cuz june is a month of exams... but i don't think it will take us more then two weeks to complete..
On June 17 2007 13:28 unk. wrote: we are currently working on antihack system >.< Unfortunatelly, work proogress is very slow, cuz june is a month of exams... but i don't think it will take us more then two weeks to complete..
Wow, lots of dedication and work. It's ok, considering it being a month of exams it's amazing you guys switched the servers so fast in such an amazingly short timeline.
i dont see the point in going back to WGT, lets be honest they got everyone all excited again, WGT was booming during beta and they screwed us again with a teaser. WGT just isnt what it used to be maybe eki and onord or w/e his name is should come back take their ladder and run it propally the new management sucks
I would play iCCup if that damn Windows Vista problem wouldn't effect me. Any hope in getting that fixed?
Anyways, even if it is impossible to fix, I still thank you. Who knows, I might go boot up the dinosaur computer in my living room and play some games on iCCup through that .
On June 17 2007 19:45 Detonate wrote: the worst part is the terrible coding on the WGTour site, Good luck even making a fucking account on that retarded website
Also for that account POTENTIAL, Who is a goood player form the USA who sucks at 2on2? Maybe a Media Member or incontrol? I'm not sure :/ I just thougth that might help to find the identity.
Edit: He went like 13-2 and stuff in Abyss seasons and now his currenty ICCup record. But his 2on2 for abyss was like 16-18 which isn't too good.
On another note doesn anyone remember and know who jessicaalba from PGT was? I just remembered that upon reading hungtrans aka and thinking of other people who made names after celebrities.
Edit2: Maybe Arch is Smuft? I'm just guessing though i am basing that off no evidence O_O
On June 17 2007 16:15 Jrwriter wrote: i dont see the point in going back to WGT, lets be honest they got everyone all excited again, WGT was booming during beta and they screwed us again with a teaser. WGT just isnt what it used to be maybe eki and onord or w/e his name is should come back take their ladder and run it propally the new management sucks
Just my 2 cents
I agree, I think WGTour is definately over, since ICCUP is the new PGTour for koreans they won't play WGTour and a ladder without koreans isn't a ladder ..
i don't think pro's would play iccup o O nor would get any losses in the first couple of ranks if they did actually play O o;;
And actually iccup will need to improve their server, i don't know if this happens to you but i get latency everytime i create games.
+ Wgt ladder will come out in season 14 so when season 14 starts, wgt ladder will comence.
Honestly i don't think iccup will be able to "buy" players.
"curiosity" - I created an acc on iccup website but my password has 11 leters and no simbols. When creating acc your password needs to have 4 simbols at least so i added this to my previous password [[]] that makes a 15 caracters password. then i went to log on into b.net on Former "abyss" server and i coulnd't write my full password.
On June 17 2007 19:45 Detonate wrote: the worst part is the terrible coding on the WGTour site, Good luck even making a fucking account on that retarded website
On June 16 2007 00:28 GongKyuckTerran wrote: koreans dont want to play vs a)random b)some races on certain maps c)90% of them play only python,baekdu,tau and longinus d)50% of them doesnt speak english ...
that really pisses me off especially that i cant random anymore t.t
And About Arch dont worry about who he is, hes nothing special he newb bashes D ranks at C- he actually started playing hiw own rank and lost like 11 games and now he wants to reset so he can newb bash again
On June 18 2007 03:52 n3m0 wrote: i don't think pro's would play iccup o O nor would get any losses in the first couple of ranks if they did actually play O o;;
And actually iccup will need to improve their server, i don't know if this happens to you but i get latency everytime i create games.
+ Wgt ladder will come out in season 14 so when season 14 starts, wgt ladder will comence.
Honestly i don't think iccup will be able to "buy" players.
"curiosity" - I created an acc on iccup website but my password has 11 leters and no simbols. When creating acc your password needs to have 4 simbols at least so i added this to my previous password [[]] that makes a 15 caracters password. then i went to log on into b.net on Former "abyss" server and i coulnd't write my full password.
This is so LOL ;;;
my password is 6 letters long, no symbols, and it works fine
Well, TT1 would rather it be kept secret. Although there is an American flag, it is fake. But the truth of the matter is (in all seriousness) TT1 is EvaMendez
Whoever Arch is he's dodging shamelessly - he actually refused playing me (I was even D like the rest he plays !) Because I had 7-0 stats. Complete tool; and can't possibly be anyone known/good.
On June 18 2007 10:36 MYM.Testie wrote: Well, TT1 would rather it be kept secret. Although there is an American flag, it is fake. But the truth of the matter is (in all seriousness) TT1 is EvaMendez
no actually i didnt really care if it was a secret or not, like 20-30 people knew my aka and i had them on my f l but the thing with the american flag is that hung made the acc and was playing with it at the begginging (got it to c-) and then i started playing from there and he came along time by time and added a few losing streaks along the way ;p, oldy played like 5 games on the acc too
The guy you're saying is BeggarTerran played the same guy 10 games in a row and one of the game lengths was 2:05.... others were around 3 and 4 minutes..... Seems fishy.
its not fishy cus the guy he played 10 times in a row is amatuer and all he does is 4pool + 6pool ;p but hes a really really good zerg user just goes all in too much but his recovery after that is still amazing
On June 18 2007 13:32 Jonoman92 wrote: The guy you're saying is BeggarTerran played the same guy 10 games in a row and one of the game lengths was 2:05.... others were around 3 and 4 minutes..... Seems fishy.
actually i though u were talking about amatuer cus he won 8-9 games in a row vs beggar but now i see u were talking about -- who loss like 9 games in a row vs beggar ;p looks suspicious but koreans usually mass game together
this fuckin beggar u bust ur ass 40 min for a win then he just fucking 9 10 racks u in the middle of the map and rapes u with bunker rush fuck this shit man
Xeris, are you going to have another 2on2 USA B tournmanet?
now on topic, IdrA is IdrA, maybe cipher is skew or artosis?
@skk7000, can you provide a race? He's not a listed country i'm looking at it right now. http://www.iccup.com/match_list.php?player=84044&type=1x1 Then again just because he played good vs you deosn't mean he's amazing, show the rep?
On June 18 2007 17:55 TT1 wrote: this fuckin beggar u bust ur ass 40 min for a win then he just fucking 9 10 racks u in the middle of the map and rapes u with bunker rush fuck this shit man
On June 18 2007 03:52 n3m0 wrote: i don't think pro's would play iccup o O nor would get any losses in the first couple of ranks if they did actually play O o;;
And actually iccup will need to improve their server, i don't know if this happens to you but i get latency everytime i create games.
+ Wgt ladder will come out in season 14 so when season 14 starts, wgt ladder will comence.
Honestly i don't think iccup will be able to "buy" players.
"curiosity" - I created an acc on iccup website but my password has 11 leters and no simbols. When creating acc your password needs to have 4 simbols at least so i added this to my previous password [[]] that makes a 15 caracters password. then i went to log on into b.net on Former "abyss" server and i coulnd't write my full password.
This is so LOL ;;;
Same happened to me, had to make a new nick with new pass. Or you could wait til you get to an admin that a, speaks english properly and b, can change password for you (from what I understood, not all of them can do it). I didn't have the patience.
On June 15 2007 19:38 TT1 wrote: person who started thread ran away
On June 19 2007 12:02 HellAngel wrote: Is this going to be updated or should we re-make the topic?
On June 19 2007 19:03 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote: We should probably remake the thread so that we have an updated list, any volunteers to this? The OP doens't update at all.
Thanks for your wonderful support! I really appreciate it guys.
On June 19 2007 19:03 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote: We should probably remake the thread so that we have an updated list, any volunteers to this? The OP doens't update at all.
Thanks for your wonderful support! I really appreciate it guys.
Yea, thank YOU for YOUR support in updating the thread once every 5 days!!
yan is zerg,but he have 160~180 apm xiaozi have 300+ i dont think you can lower your self from 300 to 180 apm,when u need to micro 4 number of lings all over the map
On June 19 2007 19:03 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote: We should probably remake the thread so that we have an updated list, any volunteers to this? The OP doens't update at all.
Thanks for your wonderful support! I really appreciate it guys.
It's not like we don't appreciate it, but u were a bit late with the updates.
why do u stop playing when u reached such a high level and start again ? Isnt it much cooler to play at the top ? Or did u just want to make your friend happy ? :D
I started over because I prefer uglytoss over jasari and I couldn't find any stats transfer on iccup.com. But there are other reasons-- on jasari I played almost 100% WCG maps and on uglytoss I played almost 100% Tau so that I could have Tau ready to play against Koreans (I had no idea how to play Tau). Also, I enjoy playing easy games as a stress reliever I guess. I said in op tl-west yesterday that someone needs to give me a lecture about playing against people my level and not getting stressed about it, but nobody took up the challenge. Fancy score is nice, like Darki said, and I know he's j/k but someone else will think the same thing. But anyone with a keen eye will know how to spot an actual accomplishment on a ladder and also how to spot a good record that doesn't mean much. Hopefully I'll start playing against Koreans on Tau soon (ie, outside of my comfort zone) and I'll expect my win percentage to drop. Also my PvT sucks so I'm going to take a beating against the Korean T's but it should help for WCG USA
Ya.. thx for ur honesty about ur iD, Nony. Of course he's pro ^ ^ Nony's like the only one that will come out and identify his aka on ICcup, but it doesn't matter because we can't get the reps unless the players themselves post them on sites.. =[
I dunno if I'd said nony's PvT sucks.. since u've made it to where u are w/ ur skill, but against the Koreans Terrans.. I will say GL.
P.S. Why nony have a terran icon?!! This can't be! When did he ever play Terran!?
wtf Assault is NOT Potential i ask him and he said he didnt know who submitted that rep with his name , he plays on Star.Assault so delete plz pd: ethi is ethi on west also ethi)s.g
got any proof of any of these people hacking ? or you just losing not trying to be bm but i see alot of people complaining about hacks but no 1 has posted 1 replay of proof
Actually I'm not to sure about that. The first iCCup game I played was against some one who I'm 100% sure was hacking. You'd just have to see the replay to understand why. Other than that, I think everyone else I played was legit.
On June 21 2007 15:11 {88}iNcontroL wrote: its a giant conspiracy. A server with no anti hack program actually has no hackers, in fact everyone is completely legit.
people who see hack everywhere usualy ... map hack too .
I played 1 hacker out of my first 15 games... luckily he was a big newb and I won, but the game was funny.
I kill his scout scv , and then without seeing that I'm going for 1 gate -> expo he goes marine + medic rush vs me. Luckily he had back micro and tried killing probes instead of my cannon building so I stopped it then won, but it was funny.
On June 21 2007 15:11 {88}iNcontroL wrote: its a giant conspiracy. A server with no anti hack program actually has no hackers, in fact everyone is completely legit.
people who see hack everywhere usualy ... map hack too .
Yeah but dont tell anyone I am a hacker. I want the secret to continue.
Nony: in my 25 games I think I have played 1.5 hackers. I say .5 because it was only a "kinda" not a definate. The other I submitted a complaint because it was so blatant. Complete mirror movement with my lings / lurker etc. Was really bad.
most korean terrans i played seemed to hack, a player called 'loreley' hacks, and a few others, these aren't just guesses cus i lost, ive won against some of the korean terrans, however, they still hacked in the reps.
On June 21 2007 17:52 Lycaeus wrote: most korean terrans i played seemed to hack, a player called 'loreley' hacks, and a few others, these aren't just guesses cus i lost, ive won against some of the korean terrans, however, they still hacked in the reps.
lol calling Korean Terrans hackers? LOL maybe they just play to much and have a part of game-sense?
thats wat im saying, people are just crying hack when they lose for the simple fact there is no anti hack, MAYBE you just lost cause you were out played, that makes sense Post some replay proof of hacks before u come on here crying
I got one banned around D+ish, he went straight to my base, without seeing my command center nor scvs or even clicking minerals to see if they were mined, and built 2 proxy gates out of nowhere. Great fucking job.
On June 21 2007 18:58 meRz wrote: There are definitely hackers out there..
I got one banned around D+ish, he went straight to my base, without seeing my command center nor scvs or even clicking minerals to see if they were mined, and built 2 proxy gates out of nowhere. Great fucking job.
Doesnt matter. Until you poost a replay you are simply complaining because you lost. Post a replay or else he did not hack and you are a whiner, thus spoke JrWriter.
Indeed, But Inc hes not whining ... he did exactly what i said he posted replay and got him banned, he wasent just whining he actually did something about it
I just don't want people to get the wrong idea, thinking that iccup has so many hackers that it's not worth playing. The server is going well and if people continue to support it by playing on it, then we'll have the next PGTour. We don't need hack-paranoia ruining a perfectly good server. Anti-hack is being worked on right now anyway, so you can't ask for more.
If you don't like how someone plays, just don't give a re. Or don't play any person or clan you don't recognize. And then you say... "but I don't recognize anyone." Well, if you guys could stay on topic then maybe that wouldn't be such a problem...
Unfortunately I have no aka's to add since my skills don't go beyond whispering "you aka?" and I haven't had any luck lately
I think playing hackers on ladders helps alot on improving the strategies, so as long as they don't become famous using map hack it's not a big problem to me.
bascially Certain people (im not gonna mention any names) think their better then they are so when they lose the first thing that jumps to their mind HACKS ! get off your own nutz please
I think you guys should know me better than a person who would just assume he is losing because the other person hacks. I have been palying this game for longer than 10 years and I have probably made less than 20 hack accusations. I am typically a graceful loser and can take a loss. If I felt I was being hacked (much less a blatant hacker) I am going to come out and say my suspicions.
What JrWriter is saying has 0 ground if hes in reference to me.
Alot of people misunderstood what i said, thought it seems likely it should. All i stated was most the korean terrans "ive" played were hacking, not because they knew the game, not cus they have better sense, it was just blatant.
The Server itself is awesome, much better competition and it's really fun. However, there is the certain amount of players that give you a bad taste and I simply ignore them for a re. It's not like im whining cus i lost, cus I'm not, i've lost alot of games on iccup and i really don't care. All i look for is try to play koreans with good stat ratios to see if i can give them a challenge and improve my own play.
On June 21 2007 20:00 iG.ClouD wrote: I think playing hackers on ladders helps alot on improving the strategies, so as long as they don't become famous using map hack it's not a big problem to me.
what ? lol. u cant have any working strat while playing hackers.
lol come on inc.... i didnt mention any names ...... LOL, and im not saying your wrong inc but crying hack with no rep proof is just ridiculous you say there is mad hackers on iccup post 3 reps of blaitent hacks to back up that non sense thats all im saying dont come on tl net forum's and try to ruin a good ladder, and that goes for all of you dont post comments post replay proof
On June 21 2007 23:16 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I think you guys should know me better than a person who would just assume he is losing because the other person hacks. I have been palying this game for longer than 10 years and I have probably made less than 20 hack accusations. I am typically a graceful loser and can take a loss. If I felt I was being hacked (much less a blatant hacker) I am going to come out and say my suspicions.
What JrWriter is saying has 0 ground if hes in reference to me.
Incontrol while you are certainly good I think you are completely blind to how incredibly ironic it is for you to say you take losses gracefully
On June 21 2007 23:16 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I think you guys should know me better than a person who would just assume he is losing because the other person hacks. I have been palying this game for longer than 10 years and I have probably made less than 20 hack accusations. I am typically a graceful loser and can take a loss. If I felt I was being hacked (much less a blatant hacker) I am going to come out and say my suspicions.
What JrWriter is saying has 0 ground if hes in reference to me.
Incontrol while you are certainly good I think you are completely blind to how incredibly ironic it is for you to say you take losses gracefully
Where and when did I not take some loss gracefully so as to deserve "incredibly ironic" statements when I say I am graceful in loss?
I don't see any disagreements here. Why, then, are there so many arguments?
We all agree that not to make hack accusations unless u have VALID proof for it.
In fact, I have never felt that someone is map hacking me, maybe I am much too insensitive, although I clearly find there are many mineral hackers there (not on ICCUP though).
inc maybe when u posted a new thread during the wgt beta season when u trashed all the people that smurf and u said how u hated when ppl bragged about beating u on their smurfs
On June 22 2007 13:42 MorningWood wrote: inc maybe when u posted a new thread during the wgt beta season when u trashed all the people that smurf and u said how u hated when ppl bragged about beating u on their smurfs
They didnt fucking beat me. And I specifically stated that in the god damn thread you fucking moron.
It was a rant on smurfs, not on any fucking loss to smurfs.
PlayKid does hack, But not maphack when he loses he uses a hack where he disc but you cant drop him. I guess its meant for you to close ur bw so u cant save replay kinda bs Just information for everyone dont play him
On June 22 2007 12:57 WiSaGaN wrote: I don't see any disagreements here. Why, then, are there so many arguments?
We all agree that not to make hack accusations unless u have VALID proof for it.
In fact, I have never felt that someone is map hacking me, maybe I am much too insensitive, although I clearly find there are many mineral hackers there (not on ICCUP though).
What the fuck PROOF you need if there is no ANTIHACK?! Lack of damn ANTIHACK is proof in itself
Do you have so much belief in the random battle.net people?
i didnt mean to start some kind of big arguement, all i was saying is there is no point in coming on tl forums crying about maphack when i have yet to see any of you babies post 1 replay of proof thats all i was saying, There is no Need to bash incontrol
On June 22 2007 14:15 Jrwriter wrote: i didnt mean to start some kind of big arguement, all i was saying is there is no point in coming on tl forums crying about maphack when i have yet to see any of you babies post 1 replay of proof thats all i was saying, There is no Need to bash incontrol
The point is so people know and are conscious of it. Same shit happens in fucking everything "Hey dont go XXX because its dangerous, or if you do be wary" etc. Not a hard concept to understand. People dont have to fucking nab the robber to warn others that they are present. THAT is the purpose.
im not trying to give iccup a fucking bad name. Im trying to say there are alot ofhackers on the ladder. I said the same thing in regard to WGT. And guess what? THERE ARE / WERE. Again, apply logic previously discussed. Just drop it already.
PS: Yes that means I too will drop it. Dont need to derail any further.
On June 22 2007 12:57 WiSaGaN wrote: I don't see any disagreements here. Why, then, are there so many arguments?
We all agree that not to make hack accusations unless u have VALID proof for it.
In fact, I have never felt that someone is map hacking me, maybe I am much too insensitive, although I clearly find there are many mineral hackers there (not on ICCUP though).
What the fuck PROOF you need if there is no ANTIHACK?! Lack of damn ANTIHACK is proof in itself
Do you have so much belief in the random battle.net people?
On June 22 2007 17:45 NonY[rC] wrote: wait so you're smurfing? this is beyond me~!
People getting all bothered by my rant.. if anyone bothered to actually read it I was ranting on the logic behind smurfing but I also address thatit has legit purposes as well. This would be one of them (how I am utilizing it). Chances are I wont brag about wins, hack or be bm.
On June 21 2007 19:37 NonY[rC] wrote: I just don't want people to get the wrong idea, thinking that iccup has so many hackers that it's not worth playing. The server is going well and if people continue to support it by playing on it, then we'll have the next PGTour. We don't need hack-paranoia ruining a perfectly good server. Anti-hack is being worked on right now anyway, so you can't ask for more.
If you don't like how someone plays, just don't give a re. Or don't play any person or clan you don't recognize. And then you say... "but I don't recognize anyone." Well, if you guys could stay on topic then maybe that wouldn't be such a problem...
Unfortunately I have no aka's to add since my skills don't go beyond whispering "you aka?" and I haven't had any luck lately
You could always save replay and upload and let replay analyzers say their thing.
damn i will try to get higher rank and get reps of those people but im just not good enough keep losing games t.t
oh and geoff, smurf rant irrelevant. posting in and reading this thread without telling all the aka's you know is ridiculous. either tell aka or get out. only exceptions are people like romad who know S-class pro aka's or whatever. tt1 did same thing. ridiculous ~_~
inc u said there were ALOT of hackers on wgt beta...i dont remember that many getting caught and the only one i remember that had a very high ranking getting caught was TheMoon[LighT]. WHo cares about hackers at lower levels cuz a) they suck and b) good players will pass the lower ranks quickly and it will no longer be a problem. saying wgt had ALOT of hackers is bullshit and i think the same thing goes for iCCup.
and about ur rant why u would ever bash ppl that smurf just to "explain the logic of it" makes no fucking sense. why u would randomly do that makes no sense to me...theres only one explanation i understand but u say it isnt true....so w/e
On June 23 2007 08:27 MorningWood wrote: inc u said there were ALOT of hackers on wgt beta...i dont remember that many getting caught and the only one i remember that had a very high ranking getting caught was TheMoon[LighT]. WHo cares about hackers at lower levels cuz a) they suck and b) good players will pass the lower ranks quickly and it will no longer be a problem. saying wgt had ALOT of hackers is bullshit and i think the same thing goes for iCCup.
and about ur rant why u would ever bash ppl that smurf just to "explain the logic of it" makes no fucking sense. why u would randomly do that makes no sense to me...theres only one explanation i understand but u say it isnt true....so w/e
All these answers and more can be found on the actual rant you havent read.
nony: I am not holding back on akas. I have been sidetracked because a couple of people decided to argue the ethics of making a public complaint about hacking on a ladder with no hack protection and now evidently, the ethics of my rant from a few weeks ago.
a) ive already read the rant that may or may not have been posted because u lost to a smurf b) tell me the names of high ranked hackers in wgt beta...plz tell me how they were TONS AND TONS of hackers in beta
oh yea, and posting that rant because u hate hearing ppl say, "omg i 3-0ed u on my smurf" just makes me think even more that this exact thing happened to u. and also posting because ppl feel free to BM u after u win/lose makes me think someone beat u and called u noob or something stupid like that.
On June 23 2007 10:06 MorningWood wrote: a) ive already read the rant that may or may not have been posted because u lost to a smurf b) tell me the names of high ranked hackers in wgt beta...plz tell me how they were TONS AND TONS of hackers in beta
oh yea, and posting that rant because u hate hearing ppl say, "omg i 3-0ed u on my smurf" just makes me think even more that this exact thing happened to u. and also posting because ppl feel free to BM u after u win/lose makes me think someone beat u and called u noob or something stupid like that.
A.) as I said earlier, and even made very clear in my rant + the rant thread, I didnt lose to the smurf. I think you should go ahead and shut the fuck up now.
B.) The names are Peter Paul and Mary. If you are going to sit there and tell me people didnt hack, that is fine. I really dont have some agenda to prove you wrong.
The rant was just that, a fucking rant. It was on situations others have experienced and it is not all that odd for me to find them displeasurable, so much so that OH NOES i ranted on it!
Anyways, fuck off and stop derailing the thread. I made peace with one other individual, why can you not let that stand?
MerZ ICCup is actually pretty hard, most of the players are good korean players and the overall skill level is pretty high and even gosu people who would be like B-A range on old PGT standard are in the C-/D range. It's a hard ladder. I know a few people who got B+ who are going like 60% winning (One was a 69-5 on PGT) So the skill level is actually pretty high and isn't so surprising that the best players outside of korea have trouble breaking 75%. As for the hacking, the admin staff is working very hard to stomp it out and they are working on a launcher if i am not mistaken, they are also fair about hacking bans. If your not 100% obvious like live2win's hacker you get put under observation. If you show a steady pattern of hacking you will get banned. If you play 60 games theres probably a 95% chance of you getting caught.
yea i really trust the iccup staff to have an antihack soon if they say they are going to. so far theyve been alot more trustworthy than wgt. i mean they said theyd have the server changed over by the end of a weekend and they actually finished it early saturday i think. not to mention the admins are keeping up with complaints etc.
I must also say the ladder is very challenging. People with 20-5 ish stats steamrolls me hard and it is feels very difficult to even get above C-. And I was usually around B+ on PGT. Lots of top foreigners and good amateur koreans playing. Oh well, it's still early season.
Oh, and im pretty sure Jussi is Kaaz. But he probably plays terran.
On June 23 2007 15:54 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote: MerZ ICCup is actually pretty hard, most of the players are good korean players and the overall skill level is pretty high and even gosu people who would be like B-A range on old PGT standard are in the C-/D range. It's a hard ladder. I know a few people who got B+ who are going like 60% winning (One was a 69-5 on PGT) So the skill level is actually pretty high and isn't so surprising that the best players outside of korea have trouble breaking 75%. As for the hacking, the admin staff is working very hard to stomp it out and they are working on a launcher if i am not mistaken, they are also fair about hacking bans. If your not 100% obvious like live2win's hacker you get put under observation. If you show a steady pattern of hacking you will get banned. If you play 60 games theres probably a 95% chance of you getting caught.
Tell me about it, <- went from 23-3 into 29-22 in 2 days of playing C- to C ranks. Kind of an embarssment seeing how thats basically a 5-19 record vs C- guys.
OT: Whos marine7? Swedish zerg.. im thinking BW-DowN?
lol i'm not doing to bad in 2on2, i went like 6-2 then took retarded allies for like 8 games 6/10 and got a solid allie back, now i'm 16/15. ZZvPP so gay :/
My 1on1 is 6-3 though, not too bad. 4pooling 3 of the games though ^^ (not on this account, a different one i 4pool on, it's a warm up thing) it's also a getting free poitns for my team thing i guess ^^ well i might start playing more with my offrace on a different account, Zerg is just too boring of a race and i owe seraphim a PvZ rep pack that i have been avoiding for days.
I said that Cipher is probalby a USA player whose strong 1on1 but weak 2on2, if he was a T user, i have never seen you 2on2 Skew so it would either be you or artosis. But i was just saying, someone remove it :D
On June 23 2007 14:20 meRz wrote: not so sure kaaz would have an amazing 58% at C ranks.
KaaZ is definitly an amazing gamer and I respect his skill and manners and such. But you have to keep in mind he have been inactive and iccup level seem pretty darn high. Might be him.
Guys you care too much about stats. Good stats don't necessary mean good player and same goes for bad stats. Kaaz just lost 11 games out of 22 and there could be many reasons behind that, but still that doesn't make him noob or someone playing on a fake id.
So, I've come to the conclusion THAT: 1. ICCUP even in the beginning ranks (D) is hard to get past without even for some of the best, without getting one loss... the best get to D+ with records of 7-1, 7-2, etc. <--- obvioulsy hard.
2. I'm sure everyone here has played, lost a lot of times in the D ranks, and just made another account because you want to get past D with a good record... at the current moment, I would say even 10-5 or something would be considered a GOOD record when you get to D+ accounting on the skill level that is being placed forth in just the D ranks.
3. All the good players are certainly having troubles, and DEFINITELY once C- ++ ranks are hit, even the good players are losing 4-5 in a row. No shame.
That being said, it seems as if the skill for ICCUP is EXCELLENT. Everyone who wants practice should get playing now! Soon, all these Koreans will be at A+, then the beginning ranks will be too easy. So go play! (unless of course, you want to play a bunch of D-/D newbies after all the good players move up to A+... but, I like to play vs the good players, even if I lose all the games; or is that just me?)
Yes iG.Jussi is me (iG.KaaZ) but it wasn't I who played it up to C+. A friend of mine wanted to reset his stats for some reason and gave his stats to me before he did so.
On June 24 2007 07:41 Waldon wrote: So, I've come to the conclusion THAT: 1. ICCUP even in the beginning ranks (D) is hard to get past without even for some of the best, without getting one loss... the best get to D+ with records of 7-1, 7-2, etc. <--- obvioulsy hard.
2. I'm sure everyone here has played, lost a lot of times in the D ranks, and just made another account because you want to get past D with a good record... at the current moment, I would say even 10-5 or something would be considered a GOOD record when you get to D+ accounting on the skill level that is being placed forth in just the D ranks.
3. All the good players are certainly having troubles, and DEFINITELY once C- ++ ranks are hit, even the good players are losing 4-5 in a row. No shame.
That being said, it seems as if the skill for ICCUP is EXCELLENT. Everyone who wants practice should get playing now! Soon, all these Koreans will be at A+, then the beginning ranks will be too easy. So go play! (unless of course, you want to play a bunch of D-/D newbies after all the good players move up to A+... but, I like to play vs the good players, even if I lose all the games; or is that just me?)
I totally agree. I lose a LOT. And because i can't create games I can't even get to play with the newbies...
i'm still playing on uglytoss and the only games i play are on iccup. i just havent been able to mass game lately. if i had all the time in the world, i'd be in cancun this weekend
On June 24 2007 16:54 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote: nony do you have a new account now? also are you making more vods with commentary :D I like watching you play.
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ur commentarys rulezs ^^ sing with the probes ya xD
wow... hawoosung pauses game for like 3 minutes vs me, then when he comes back, im not ready. he says "go?" and i say "no" and he starts right away. and right then i have probes blocking where lings can run into my base, and he kills probes without me being able to micro them and he gets into my base with speedlings... all in speedlings. such bm
Do not play with Joy. He is a disc hacker. I've been stuck in the game for over 20 minutes with the disconnect countdown at 0 now and he 100% lost it. So fucking idiot. edit: im also pretty sure he was using map hack
On June 24 2007 19:52 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote: NonY since i am in love with you and your vod making skills i am goignt o search the rules and see the deal with that and if i can give you points, because that's just gay and it happened to me the other day aswel.
Cancun :/
or he could just make a post about it and show the rep.
On June 25 2007 11:11 iG.ClouD wrote: Do not play with Joy. He is a disc hacker. I've been stuck in the game for over 20 minutes with the disconnect countdown at 0 now and he 100% lost it. So fucking idiot. edit: im also pretty sure he was using map hack
yea rofl that guy use lag hacked and i was stucked for 1 hour there i beat him butr he start lagging when he had 1 pylon left
Silly stupid question: I have looked around alot and I have no clue how to change my flag icon for my account to USA. Does any kind soul know how to remedy this?
On June 24 2007 19:52 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote: NonY since i am in love with you and your vod making skills i am goignt o search the rules and see the deal with that and if i can give you points, because that's just gay and it happened to me the other day aswel.
Cancun :/
or he could just make a post about it and show the rep.
On June 24 2007 18:30 NonY[rC] wrote: wow... hawoosung pauses game for like 3 minutes vs me, then when he comes back, im not ready. he says "go?" and i say "no" and he starts right away. and right then i have probes blocking where lings can run into my base, and he kills probes without me being able to micro them and he gets into my base with speedlings... all in speedlings. such bm
I think he thought you were joking, if you said nothing maybe he would not have unpaused it.
lol its just an updated thread of the progamers who r playing iCCup??? and if savior is playing.. hot sex. hell angel is into this.. look at his last posts... x.x hellangel remake it so u can be happy
EPT
Especially when you got owned like shit by Stork xD 
gota love it.
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