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Hi, I am a new teamliquid user creating an account specially to expose a maphacker as i hate them destroying online games in sc2. I'm a diamond protoss player playing mostly team games with friends.
Hacker: <inCo>Grrrr
Replay: https://drop.sc/replay/7603940
Evidence of maphacking:
1. At 0.47, he sends a random scv to scout for cannons despite no vision of my ally having a forge. He sends it to the exact path of my ally probe.
<inCo>Grrrr vision: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/pJYdLJ5.jpg)
Everyone's vision: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/ObDm3l9.jpg)
2. At 1.45, he sends scv to scout for proxy rax despite again having no vision.
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/2aL44h0.jpg)
3. This scv (pt 2) which he sent to scout has no cursor point. i searched the whole map and there is no cursor point. When you move a unit, there should be a cursor "clicking" on the screen. But this scv has none. It is a bot.
4. Again refering to the same scv, it continues scouting along its AI bot path, but once my ally(<5cary>SuperScv) builds a supply depot along its designated scouting pathway, it turns around and scouts the supply depot
Scouting along its path going back to base: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/YPsArZv.jpg)
<5cary>SuperScv throws down a depot:![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/sWMdkk5.jpg)
Scv bot turns back to scout depot:
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/940ybjN.jpg)
5. At 2.06, another scv - i call it scv bot 2. This scv also has no cursor point on the map so it is another AI bot. Its goes scouting too. You might wonder why would he scout the proxy rax twice? But if you notice clearly, at 2.06 is when my ally throws down a supply depot near the proxy rax (same depot as pt 4.). The first bot missed the depot as it has already passed by that spot when my ally throws down the depot. So this 2nd bot goes and scout it. And this is proven as the 2nd scv goes directly to the depot and back to base.
Scouting starts when <5cary>SuperScv throws down a depot (same timing - 2.06): ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/pwk31JT.jpg)
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/mPT0IH1.jpg)
Guys, please evaluate and see if i'm talking nonsense. IMO, point 1 and 2 can be dismissed as smart play as my ally UCantWinMeOk is known for cannon rush and the hacker might just be cautious about cheese hence the scouting of the proxy rax and cannons. However, the timing of the supply depot scout is undeniably hacking and also the 2 scv AI Bots with no cursor point on the map.
Does blizzard read this forum? I will also post on battlenet forum and i hope the hacker gets banned ASAP.
If there is any other info needed from me, i will gladly provide. I am also against flippant accusations of hacking, so if i am proven wrong, i will take down the post.
Regards,
Arya
Edit: I see a maphacking thread but my post is too long and detailed so i am creating a new thread. Hope this is the correct place to post, if not, mods please move to correct forum
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Also, i have played against the clan inCo many times on ladder and they have always suspicously scouted many proxies. If this guy is proven to be a hacker, i hope blizzard tech support can also investigate the other clan members to wipe out hacking as a whole. If anyone has evidence of other hacking from same guy or clan, please also post here.
Does blizzard read this forum? I will also post on battlenet forum and i hope the hacker gets banned ASAP.
Im one of the founders of inCo (Incoming). Your statement here is kind of accusation. Our top players have over 90% win rates in '4s' and you are accusing us of hacking?
Im not too sure whether do i know you but u sure do know your ally SCV.
inCo Covetousrat
EDIT: Ok let me reply to you. I have also played with UcantwinMe 'my friend too' a lot of times and 'Cannon rush' is all he does every game.
1. At 1.45 your saying his scv scouted the proxy barracks. This is because there are 2 Grr's scv going back to base mining. However the first SCV 'BUILT A SUPPLY DEPOT' thus blocking the pathing of second SCV. The second SCV is taking the right route back to base and scouted the proxy barracks.
2. The second so called "Bot SCV 2" just finished building depot and being locked outside and thus going back to base like point 1 using SHIFT . The rescouting of the barracks is probably he was too busy repairing his Bunker at base and sending the SCV to rescout the barracks.
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On June 08 2018 18:34 covetousrat wrote:Show nested quote +Also, i have played against the clan inCo many times on ladder and they have always suspicously scouted many proxies. If this guy is proven to be a hacker, i hope blizzard tech support can also investigate the other clan members to wipe out hacking as a whole. If anyone has evidence of other hacking from same guy or clan, please also post here.
Does blizzard read this forum? I will also post on battlenet forum and i hope the hacker gets banned ASAP.
Im one of the founders of inCo (Incoming). Your statement here is kind of accusation. Our top players have over 90% win rates and you are accusing us of hacking? Im not too sure whether do i know you but u sure do know your ally SCV. inCo Covetous
Sorry i will take down this paragraph as i have no evidence but the accusation of Grrr still stands.
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90%winrate.. roflcopter :'D
edit: excuse me, OVER 90% :'D :'D :'D
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On June 08 2018 18:41 NOtoRiouS_ wrote:
90%winrate.. roflcopter :'D
edit: excuse me, OVER 90% :'D :'D :'D
edit edit: or do have over 90% of your top players a winrate?
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On June 08 2018 18:34 covetousrat wrote:Show nested quote +Also, i have played against the clan inCo many times on ladder and they have always suspicously scouted many proxies. If this guy is proven to be a hacker, i hope blizzard tech support can also investigate the other clan members to wipe out hacking as a whole. If anyone has evidence of other hacking from same guy or clan, please also post here.
Does blizzard read this forum? I will also post on battlenet forum and i hope the hacker gets banned ASAP.
Im one of the founders of inCo (Incoming). Your statement here is kind of accusation. Our top players have over 90% win rates in '4s' and you are accusing us of hacking? Im not too sure whether do i know you but u sure do know your ally SCV. inCo Covetousrat EDIT: Ok let me reply to you. I have also played with UcantwinMe 'my friend too' a lot of times and 'Cannon rush' is all he does every game. - this is possible so this is not really my main argument. The 2 scvs are my main argument. 1. At 1.45 your saying his scv scouted the proxy barracks. This is because there are 2 Grr's scv going back to base mining. However the first SCV 'BUILT A SUPPLY DEPOT' thus blocking the pathing of second SCV. The second SCV is taking the right route back to base and scouted the proxy barracks. - The scv is not going back to base. It turns around at 2.05 (the moment 5scarysuperscv throws down a supply depot.). You might want to say its because inColagicity blocked the other entrance with a reactor. However, there is a good 2s between the reactor going down and the scv turning back. Reactor goes down at 2.03, scv turns at 2.05 2. The second so called "Bot SCV 2" just finished building depot and being locked outside and thus going back to base like point 1 using SHIFT . The rescouting of the barracks is probably he was too busy repairing his Bunker at base and sending the SCV to rescout the barracks - Again wrong. The scv is not going back to base. Its pathway is weird. After building the supply depot, it turns to the right side entrance to re enter the base. However at 2.20 once it sees the depot superscv built, it turns around again, despite the right side entrance not being blocked. Then it goes up and down the 4 proxy rax. This does not seem like it wants to go back to base, rather some Bot scouting. 3. Also going back to your point that the 2 scvs are going back to base. Where in base are they heading? I dont see any clicks from inCoGrrrr in his base. Still looks like a bot to me .
My reply.
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1:38 left side of Pylon on top of ramp.
2.22 Right side base is closed off by TECH LAB.
Its better if you canget other players like SuperSCV to review the replay before posting posts like this. You can use the Player Camera in replays too fyi.
EDIT. The probe that scouted the depot 'and being chased by the SCV' moves up along the Barracks. This is because at 2:22 yellow SWAP FACTORY WITH BARRACKS. The SCV is trying to take this route. However once the Factory lands, the SCV moves down towards left. Not very hard to see whats going on...
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i see 1.38 click now.
tech lab is closed at 2.22, scv only turns around at 2.25
again barracks lift at 2.18, scv turns only at 2.20 to take that route.
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1. Grrrr pings the position where your ally ended up building cannons at 0:03. That's before a probe has even been sent. Obviously, this is a common position for CRs and/or your ally is notorious for cannons...
2. As already explained in this thread, the scv tries to go up the ramp into the base but the path gets blocked by the supply depot so the scv starts walking around... You probably should not throw around hacking accusations when you don't have a grasp on basic sc2 mechanics...
3. see 2
4. Feel free to test in a custom game how units behave when their path gets closed off while they are still a significant distance away from the object.
5. Looks like a queued up (shift) move command after building is done. The scv simply ended up on the wrong side of the wall. Feel free to open scelight and look up the commands to prove/disprove my assumption.
To answer your question:
Yes, you are talking nonsense.
You lack understanding of fundamental sc2 mechanics. You have no clue on the possibility of implementation of "bots" and cannot be bothered to consider such theoretical bots' utility.
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Where dat snitch at?37095 Posts
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