After seeing some comments in a certain replay and comments on these boards I feel I need to enlighten you newbies.
I sucked too. You all suck at starcraft. Testie would get mauled very badly by all koreans in Korea. Even the newbie practice partners would fuck him up badly (sure he'd win games but he'd lose enough to lose his pathetic ego). Why do you foreigners inflate your pathetic ego's so big based off a few practice games you may win? Sure being the best in your country and going to WCG is a good accomplishment, but you are a nothing, and stop thinking you are good.
Why do you all talk so much shit?
Draco: You are indeed might be the best foreigner but why don't you just admit to everyone that the players on the OGN team raped the hell out of you in tryouts. Theres a reason they were giving u a hard time. You are a nothing until you succeed in Korea, which you did not...(yet I hope -- I still want you to come back and succeed). You did not get on the team because of your skills, and you know it. Stop being a cocky little smurfing fuck. (Note: Draco did not leave Korea because he sucked and he still can easily comeback and continue progressing as a progamer. But right now Draco, U Blow)
"I'm kicking myself a bit. Smuft will need to improve his late game a lot though to succeed in China." <--- Sure, what you said may very well be true about Smuft, Mister Testie, but you just lost 0-2 against someone who you have NEVER won a single tournament game against and you're telling him he needs to improve his late game to succeed in China? You think you're the #1 foreigner, you have a massive ego, yet you tell the guy who always rapes you that he needs to improve his game? If you're the #1 and he beats you who the fuck is going to beat him? Your logic makes absolutely no fucking sense.
And now, I see this in the penguin plug reps of Smuft vs Artosis:
You're better than him? LOL. Artosis, you're a nice guy and you do have some nice USA accomplishments under your belt so props, but you fucking suck at Starcraft. You play like Assem except your macro blows even more than his. You are a one build order turtle player. You are no where close to being on the same caliber as Smuft. You get raped 0-2 then you tell the guy you're better than him. Jesus Christ. You have ambition to become a progamer, which I support as it is your dream, but don't waste your time. U blow.
Learn how to lose in stride you faggetty little punks.
Then how do you assume they get better? Sure they may be shit compared to the korean pro's but they are good in terms outside of Korea. Being #1 in a country DOES mean something. It means you are the BEST in your own country. Sure, may not be the best in the world. But it is something.
I agree about the Artosis vs Smuft remark. Artosis does have a huge ego. I am not disagreeing with you there. In fact, at WCG 2005 at regionals, I asked him how far does he think he will go, and he said that he would win the whole tournament easily. -.-; I have nothing against the guy though. Even if he is a 1 build wonder, turtling player, it works for him. He found what works. So good job for him.
edit: wtf accidently made an empty post might aswell say something
not for the sake of arguing, Id like to say that I have a much easier time beating koreans than I do europeans playing around my level(mostly from clan war and random game experience) they seem to play very mechanical and predictable and therefore are easy to trick/counter
even if koreans are better i get pissed off when they boot me out of game because i am not korean... sometimes they say fuck america and kick me and im not even american
On April 15 2007 05:37 nortydog wrote: edit: wtf accidently made an empty post might aswell say something
not for the sake of arguing, Id like to say that I have a much easier time beating koreans than I do europeans playing around my level(mostly from clan war and random game experience) they seem to play very mechanical and predictable and therefore are easy to trick/counter
so... which progamers have you played already? lol korean pros definitely aren't predictable and that's what we're talking about and not about some random korean newbies
On April 15 2007 05:37 nortydog wrote: edit: wtf accidently made an empty post might aswell say something
not for the sake of arguing, Id like to say that I have a much easier time beating koreans than I do europeans playing around my level(mostly from clan war and random game experience) they seem to play very mechanical and predictable and therefore are easy to trick/counter
so... which progamers have you played already? lol korean pros definitely aren't predictable and that's what we're talking about and not about some random korean newbies
there is not enough white progamers to make a comparison and anyway I was just sharing my experience from divisional clanwars and limited ladder experience.. also Im guessing is if europe had progaming as it is in korea(I know it would never happen) we would of seen alot of todays strategies developed a long time ago, Im not saying the players would be better just that strategy would of advanced at a much faster rate
Id like to hear what leg has to say on this he might be able to confirm my views
On April 15 2007 06:01 kefkalives wrote: a question for rekrul, whats your oppinion on leg? since didnt he do reasonably well in korea during his time there? or am i mistaken -___-
Leg was also very horrible at starcraft compared to koreans, though he was always honest, modest, and respectful and pulled off a lot of awesome TV wins so he is a special case for foreigners and deserves respect.
On March 27 2007 04:06 Guybrush wrote: God I fucking hate newbies who think they're good. Unless you're a progamer - know that you suck big balls in this game.
But the worst thing is the newbies who think they're better than the newbies who think they're good.
Even the best foreigner isn't really better than the 1000000000000 amateur Koreans that will never get their name in text on anything, because it's too fucking hard and costly. And trust me, there is an actual army of Korean amateurs and a lot of them can run semi-progamers over, but they simply are not scouted and cannot pass courage. So to say Testie or Advokate or IdrA or anyone can go to Korea and succeed makes you an idiot.
It's also fact that if you don't speak Korean, you will never create the necessary relationships to reach any level that's high enough to matter. Never. If you're not smart enough to understand this concept, you're also an idiot.
On April 15 2007 06:42 Guybrush wrote: How is Testie going to improve with hours and hours of practice, when he has already been playing 24/7 the last 8 years ?
ShcShc, wow, your about to get seriously flamed for ever thinking that testie could ever have a chance at becoming a good player in korea :[ In fact i feel stupider for reading that, and may god have mercy on your soul
On April 15 2007 06:42 Guybrush wrote: How is Testie going to improve with hours and hours of practice, when he has already been playing 24/7 the last 8 years ?
LOOOOL!! I even registered Just to say: BIG BIG BIG THX REKRUL for said the trouth.And guess what!? MR.EGO will never comment here he is a coward to face with rek.gg thx nore
Oh and some one needs to shop that photo so its white men cant play starcraft -_-, get boxer on one side, then testie on the other. oh yeahsss. or any white player.
this thread is stupid, if i had posted it it would be closed directly =(
just coz rekrul wrote it its a good thread? stop licking ass its a big difference being good and being the best... ofcourse you are good if you are even close to being the best foreigner..
So Rek's post was kind of a "duh" post that I don't think anyone can disagree with. People have been saying for years that the best foreigner can't beat known amateur Koreans, and it's always been true. The problem, I think, lies with certain fluke occasions that totally get blown out of proportion - "OMG TESTIE <insert top foreigner here> BEAT NADA <insert progamer here> 2-1 IN WGT <insert online ladder that matters to foreigners but not necessarily Koreans>" (I can't think of a real example but something like this). Then it's "holy shit guys top foreigners can totally become progamers and succeed in Korea" and everything just explodes. Now nobody really knows why that top foreigner won against that progamer, maybe the pro was playing sloppy, maybe he was dribbling a basketball while playing, maybe he was carrying on three conversations at once while playing. It doesn't really matter. When the big money's on the line for a tournament like OGN, they stop fucking around, and it's always the same faces that make it to the league. And those faces are never those of foreign players.
There have been some foreigner pros who have made a lasting impact: Legionnaire with his Toona All-Kill, the winktoss game, the most reaver kills in a game. Grrrr... with his celebrity status and the longtime best foreigner hope. Elky with his ability to consistently choke when the pressure is on (though he did appear to improve quite a bit eventually, in the beginning he was slow as fuck and made some pretty poor decisions). Now that foreigners aren't getting a free ticket to a TV appearance and they have to go through the same channels as all the other hopefuls, though, they really gotta step it up.
On April 15 2007 07:02 AnOth3rDAy wrote: this thread is stupid, if i had posted it it would be closed directly =(
just coz rekrul wrote it its a good thread? stop licking ass its a big difference being good and being the best... ofcourse you are good if you are even close to being the best foreigner..
On April 15 2007 06:44 LumberJack wrote: ShcShc, wow, your about to get seriously flamed for ever thinking that testie could ever have a chance at becoming a good player in korea :[ In fact i feel stupider for reading that, and may god have mercy on your soul
imo testie could make it.. as a 2v2 specialist, nothing more... nothing less..
only guy that trully sux is artosis, he beats bunch of noobs at some x lans in usa and thats it. he gets to go to wcg finals after top10 resign so he climbs to the no1 position. one of the most overrated players, with this screenshot...it seems he overrates himself as well.
On April 15 2007 06:29 Skew wrote: It's also fact that if you don't speak Korean, you will never create the necessary relationships to reach any level that's high enough to matter. Never. If you're not smart enough to understand this concept, you're also an idiot.
I kinda agree with foreigners being cocky, but im also a dreamer and i wish we will see a foreginer doing well in korea in the future. Yeah my country says it all i hope Draco will make it some how. I have a question i've read somewhere that Draco's score in the tryouts was 3:4 is it true ?
On April 15 2007 07:42 intelinside wrote: it is very true that top foreigners can lose to decent amateurs in korea.decent being about 1000000000000 people.
On April 15 2007 06:55 pokerface wrote: LOOOOL!! I even registered Just to say: BIG BIG BIG THX REKRUL for said the trouth.And guess what!? MR.EGO will never comment here he is a coward to face with rek.gg thx nore
On April 15 2007 06:55 pokerface wrote: LOOOOL!! I even registered Just to say: BIG BIG BIG THX REKRUL for said the trouth.And guess what!? MR.EGO will never comment here he is a coward to face with rek.gg thx nore
Nice first post. Who's Mr. Ego?
hahaha even his nickname gets linked when he is quoted. HAHAHAHAHAHA.
I have white friends that claim they are the best at some PC games, I keep telling then that Koreans are better than them and they wont believe me. Then I show them some SC fppov vid of random korean progamers and they shutup because they can't even comprehend whats going on because its going so fast.
A secret group of korean scientists spent the past 4 years perfecting the following formula to produce the Worlds Hottest Genetically Altered Booth Babes
=D =D =D hawt
Rek was there something in particular that triggered this? why the sudden outburst?
this is oh so completely true, as i have been saying to many since i started to play, koreans will always have the edge because in there country it is sport. This means they will watch tv and learn more than anything we will get to understand, and many more things, practicing as much as our USA musicians, or canadian actors who have to be in movies, progamers have that devotion as it is there job and for all the non progamers they are still practicing hard so they can become what is in their country, there drive is better, there in-the-zone mind is more advanced then us as in they plasy so much sc they get a touch for the mouse and etc.. so everything is more enhanced then foreigners will ever be.
that the reason foreigner got bad rep from korean i think .
most of the time when they loss they often add something to the gg , like lol gg gg.... haha gg - or other , i played bad gg . sorry but just that = bm and some people dont like that .
but that worst . they often say some reason why they got raped badly too . some of them = mouse disconnected , keybord work bad , that not my computer ( very used ) or more .
and the fact most know foreigner are more cocky that the random skilled foreigner dont help alot. because what korean see from foreigner skill and respect are mostly from the top foreigner .
if foreigner got bad manner reputation that mostly because of the top foreigner
On April 15 2007 09:13 Leejungterran wrote: that the reason foreigner got bad rep from korean i think .
most of the time when they loss they often add something to the gg , like lol gg gg.... haha gg - or other , i played bad gg . sorry but just that = bm and some people dont like that .
but that worst . they often say some reason why they got raped badly too . some of them = mouse disconnected , keybord work bad , that not my computer ( very used ) or more .
and the fact most know foreigner are more cocky that the random skilled foreigner dont help alot. because what korean see from foreigner skill and respect are mostly from the top foreigner .
if foreigner got bad manner reputation that mostly because of the top foreigner
havent you been caught hacking a bunch? kinda ironic.
On April 15 2007 06:44 LumberJack wrote: ShcShc, wow, your about to get seriously flamed for ever thinking that testie could ever have a chance at becoming a good player in korea :[ In fact i feel stupider for reading that, and may god have mercy on your soul
lol. well opinions I guess. All I'm saying is Testie should at least try because he has a small chance. Nothing more than that.
Hell, being white might be advantageous. Have some success and become a fan favorite.
Hmmm, I kinda can't agree that koreans have better manners. On the top level - maybe, but they have a reputation to ruin.
The truth is - most SC players higher than C+ level behave like complete motherfuckers (watch Exalted's reps to see what I mean), no matter foreigner or korean. And most of them think much more of themselves than they really are. And hacking is as widespread on Europe as on Asia, and probably even wider on USEast/USWest. (I am able to judge only by the rate of Diablo II hacking, which is easily determined by pricing on items. Duping always was the highest on US servers, and that is a sign of the mindset.)
I agree, but who the fuck of amateurs wouldn't get raped in tryout games at proteam? But Draco has improved a lot, ain't the worst pro and hopefully will get back to korea and get even more better.
i liked that post rek instead of the usual random single sentence topics as of late and it makes sense and i didnt know that smuft was going to china when did that happen? artosis..rofl
On April 15 2007 05:07 Cpt Obvious wrote: Being humble as the key to success?
Makes sense. One thing mainly all Koreans have in common is their tendency to be overly shy and humble about their abilities.
agreed! also i think if Sen played more, I think he could succeed much more than some of the other forigners, he is a good manner and a humble player gogo SEN!!
Eh? What on earth Rek? I even said that to Smuft. What I said was not bad manner, I did not flame or curse him. I did not boast i'd beat him, I did nothing arrogant or cocky.
But him needing to improve his late game is just an observation that is quite true. It is not like I haven't played him lately.
I am rooting him, and no, not because he beat me out. I have ample respect for him and even told him before our match, "bah, I haven't beaten you in a tournament yet, i'm sure you'll find a way to win." And he did. We talked just fine after the match in a super friendly manner and I don't see what the problem is with how I talked.
It was simply a bit of a reaction of losing to a 5 pool from squall, and a build from Smuft that had a 20 or 30% chance to win at best in the first game. It washed away quickly. It's not arrogance or cockiness in that post. It's losing in such a silly way to begin with. Shrug, I accepted it, and all is fine. I simply vented. I'm not going to go on about it for days or even hours. I said my peace, now drop it.
I had a moment of weakness where I was being a bit bitter about showing him the same respect he would show me. I realized soon I was being a silly idiot. And moved on.
i agree with dan, for all the starcraft fanboys out there you are never gonna do anything in starcraft, but if tod can land a root in korea im pretty sure 99% of the tl community could
On April 15 2007 07:42 intelinside wrote: it is very true that top foreigners will lose to decent amateurs in korea.decent being about 1000000000000 people.
South Korea Population - February 2007 estimate 49,024,737
flys to korea in a helicopter to a random basketball court points to loud mouth korea kid whos marginally better than the others holds up picture of shaq korean kid runs away crying, his red-white-and blue basketball left abandoned on the court
On April 15 2007 09:44 MYM.Testie wrote: Eh? What on earth Rek? I even said that to Smuft. What I said was not bad manner, I did not flame or curse him. I did not boast i'd beat him, I did nothing arrogant or cocky.
But him needing to improve his late game is just an observation that is quite true. It is not like I haven't played him lately.
I am rooting him, and no, not because he beat me out. I have ample respect for him and even told him before our match, "bah, I haven't beaten you in a tournament yet, i'm sure you'll find a way to win." And he did. We talked just fine after the match in a super friendly manner and I don't see what the problem is with how I talked.
It was simply a bit of a reaction of losing to a 5 pool from squall, and a build from Smuft that had a 20 or 30% chance to win at best in the first game. It washed away quickly. It's not arrogance or cockiness in that post. It's losing in such a silly way to begin with. Shrug, I accepted it, and all is fine. I simply vented. I'm not going to go on about it for days or even hours. I said my peace, now drop it.
I had a moment of weakness where I was being a bit bitter about showing him the same respect he would show me. I realized soon I was being a silly idiot. And moved on.
So, what is your problem?
Are you kidding? Even if I can't call you a cocky fuck for what you said, that doesn't change the fact that you are one. You map hacked for years bragging to everyone about how good you are. You had a notepad file containing your detailed exact records against everyone, and always brought it up.
You say you've changed. From your comment alone it's blatantly obvious you still think you're the best in the world. The only growing up you've done is you learned how to be cocky and let everyone know you're the best in the world without looking like a blatant braggard.
This is what I'm trying to get at. All 50 of the top foreigners think they are in the top 10 of being foreigners and think they can compete. Even if it was true, which it isn't, top 10 still sucks balls compared to all koreans. Every single person I attacked in this thread came whining to me telling me that they aren't cocky. It's so fucked up...you guys honestly believe you're not cocky when everything you do / say speaks otherwise. YOU BLOW, JUST ADMIT IT, AND MOVE ON. I bet every time Artosis loses a game he thinks to himself "FUCK, what a newbie, GOD I FUCKED UP" <-- That makes you a cocky little cunt with no idea how bad u blow.
Unrelated note:
On March 06 2007 11:37 MYM.Testie wrote: She was 16. I was 21.
I really enjoyed this read. Theres something about how rekrul writes that makes it really entertaining. I have to agree with what he wrote too. Specially about artosis. He seems to be the most over rated foreigner out there.
As I said to you on MSN your post and inflammatory comments come from a long time ago. This is your own personal grudge. A stigma you can never get over, as my past with you makes it clear I cannot be forgiven and or viewed in a different light by you. For some reason, I can forgive you for all the times you pointed me out for being the idiot I was to you. With the childish essay you wrote, and all our previous drama. This has nothing to do with what I said after the game. This is your own personal grudge and anything I do or say you will forever dislike. There is no pleasing you.
Things you have done against me are just as bad as I have done against you, but you knew WDT was a lie, you all partook in that. You were laughing your ass of as it happened when you gave me the tip, "I think that's not limp". I forgive completely. Forget completely. The past is the past.
The truth of the matter is Rek, you do not like me. You are such a small man that you cannot get over it or grow out of it. That is why I was brought into this post. Your posts and the way you talk to me or try to incite a reaction from me even on battle.net show this.
I have never claimed to be the best in the world, I am not. When people ask me who the top foreigners are, I list off a few and say take your pick. Just because I am actually on the list, doesn't matter. I never said i'd get anywhere in korea, i've always spoken like even getting into a starleague is an amazing achievement, and I simply have respect for so many peoples game that you are proven completely false.
And yes, I would like to know how playing UMS for a few months with friends is gallavanting about saying I'm the best. I'm not saying that, I say, "go make diplo!".
I can still be cocky, yes. I can still have an ego, yes. But it's a measured ego that's atleast grown. You are assuming far too much with far too little knowledge.
Artosis and [media] thinks they are hot shit and make excuses when they lose. I think, "damn Smuft, that was risky. But you outplayed me". (He outplayed me because I found out about the strat, and could have stopped it, but he had superior micro and strategy and handled me from start to finish). Outplayed in every way.
I've been telling everyone they suck for ages, and it makes me BM, when Rek does it it's WOW FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT.
Either way, he speaks the truth, and I don't know about testie (well, actually, I do know about testie, but he doesn't seem very arrogant compared to some other characters I've come across), but Artoisis is weak. I've seen him get trashed by Andrei and screaming about how lucky his opponent is and crappy maps (he lost 0-2) and how he so rocks. I've seen him bitch to MistrZZZ who just squelched him when the game started, and then poke at him towards the end with funny phrases like "What now, little newbie?", and now the Smuft issues... geez
You know, for someone who gets totally OWNED by A LOT of people, Artoisis has a heck of an ego. If you're going to read this, please, stop telling people you're better than them, please, you're pathetic. And no, I'm not part of the "foreign progamers" or something like that, but I think I know what I'm talking about here, so there, I had to say it.
On April 15 2007 10:51 Vin[MBL] wrote: what is/was WDT?~
WDT was a big scam pulled off by Smuft and Elky a long time ago where they had a, "become a progamer tournament" that was hosted by WGT. It was all a big scam, because everyone paid $10 or whatever to enter, and then in the final tournament, Oversky, (who i'm still positive was not only Oversky, but was also map hacking to assure the plan would go through) played in the tournament and won it on a player named banana.milk's name. It's old news and happened about... 4 or 5 years ago?
Everyone was on that something had happened and we had a lot of people shouting, "TESTIE VS RET". We think that oversky didn't start out hacking, until he lost to Ret. Then his play and decision making improved and Ret had to replay Oversky through the most blatant use of shady administrating style.
Rek learned about it after the fact though, and I included him into it because he was closer to them. So, I was in the wrong.
It wasn't a scam to begin with though. It was last minute. One party involved was broke and needed $ and the manager of the team was like "WTF? IM NOT LETTING ANOTHER WHITE PERSON ON MY TEAM RIGHT NOW," even though he originally did agree to it.
rekrul you made a very good point in your first post, but i think there are different ways of telling what you think, for example testie have showed that can beat programers as indove , and when you are young (<25) , when you are very good in something, it's normal that your ego go up, almost every sportman that is good have a high ego. I think testie have showed to be more mature lastly, at least , when i read his post i don't find the same level of arrogance he had.
PD: i guess you liked the topic thread 'unaware and unskilled'
I've nothing to say about what's between rek and testie it's their personal resolves.
What really makes this thread disguisting are the emotional opportunists that surfaces one by one. Some of the comments sound so freaking fake it's a turn off and you know who you are. Stop fueling or sucking up to rek as if he buys that shit. Lots of growing up to do for a handful here.
On April 15 2007 10:45 Rekrul wrote: I didn't know WDT was a lie until after the fact.
My apologies then. I am sorry.
Me too. I don't hate you at all actually. Sorry to Draco too. Testie and Draco aren't that bad.
Now I feel all warm and fuzzy inside. It's like the ending of an episode of Dawson's Creek.
LOLL XDDD
anyways. i remember long time ago i made a post about how i thought artosis was highly overrated too and i got flamed the hell out of by like every member of TL.net.
"I'm kicking myself a bit. Smuft will need to improve his late game a lot though to succeed in China." <--- Sure, what you said may very well be true about Smuft, Mister Testie, but you just lost 0-2 against someone who you have NEVER won a single tournament game against and you're telling him he needs to improve his late game to succeed in China? You think you're the #1 foreigner, you have a massive ego, yet you tell the guy who always rapes you that he needs to improve his game? If you're the #1 and he beats you who the fuck is going to beat him? Your logic makes absolutely no fucking sense.
You don't have to be a nuclear scientist to realize that something wrong went down at Chernobyl. So you don't need to be better than someone to tell them where they need to improve. But if they don't think they need to, then you shut up.
On April 15 2007 10:41 MYM.Testie wrote: Artosis and [media] thinks they are hot shit and make excuses when they lose. I think, "damn Smuft, that was risky. But you outplayed me". (He outplayed me because I found out about the strat, and could have stopped it, but he had superior micro and strategy and handled me from start to finish).
Yea, because you're such a great person and would never make excuses. But you would map hack for years, forum troll, self promote and be an egotistical fuck bag for the remaining. Idiot.
Please, no one wants to be included in threads that have anything to do with you (so stop including them), and stop including yourself in threads that aren't about you. I've never seen someone so hungry for attention... jesus christ, does Testie drama ever just fucking stop?
I'll also add that Artosis & Smuft play ALL THE FUCKING TIME. They're friends. It wasn't like he was going off on some kid he doesn't know, and Artosis does this to all his friends when he loses (we do it to each other because we find it funny/we get to vent -- nothing wrong with that and he definitely doesn't do this all day long to random people, so get off his balls).
On April 15 2007 10:41 MYM.Testie wrote: I never said i'd get anywhere in korea, i've always spoken like even getting into a starleague is an amazing achievement.
100% agree that qualifying for a Starleague in Korea is a huge achievement that all foreigner SC fans never forget those who make it. I hope you give it a go Testie.
Skew, the very first post addressed me directly. I responded. Rek is worth responding to, your nonsense is not. This is how I find [media] conducts itself. IdrA is the most level headed out of you, and by far the most respectable. This is what, a week old?
On April 15 2007 10:41 MYM.Testie wrote: Artosis and [media] thinks they are hot shit and make excuses when they lose. I think, "damn Smuft, that was risky. But you outplayed me". (He outplayed me because I found out about the strat, and could have stopped it, but he had superior micro and strategy and handled me from start to finish).
Yea, because you're such a great person and would never make excuses. But you would map hack for years, forum troll, self promote and be an egotistical fuck bag for the remaining. Idiot.
Please, no one wants to be included in threads that have anything to do with you (so stop including them), and stop including yourself in threads that aren't about you. I've never seen someone so hungry for attention... jesus christ, does Testie drama ever just fucking stop?
I'll also add that Artosis & Smuft play ALL THE FUCKING TIME. They're friends. It wasn't like he was going off on some kid he doesn't know, and Artosis does this to all his friends when he loses (we do it to each other because we find it funny/we get to vent -- nothing wrong with that and he definitely doesn't do this all day long to random people, so get off his balls).
That is why I like WCG-like events, foreigners may lag way behind in skill compared to Koreans, but at least you get a good idea who the better players are and Korean domination is always the final exclamation point since they always the first spots. It is a place anyone can go prove themselves too. I wish there were more WCG-like events.
I always knew Korean Pro-gamers were way above the rest, but at Blizzcon I saw it with my own eyes. They did not just win, they were there for the show, they toyed with the foreigners. I saw how the Korean pro-gamers literally toyed with Testie and company. I am not saying I can read minds but almost when it comes to faces, hopes and disappointments. I saw it too in Mondy\\\'s and Testie\\\'s faces - they knew too that they had been toyed with. It was rather disheartening.
Anyway this thread is depressing for the average StarCraft fan, i.e the majority, me included, for whom the likes of Testie, Draco and Mondy are highly skilled gamers from a relative perspective. Foreingners do lag way behind the pro-gamers and many top amateur Koreans.
We do have some excuses at this stage.
Foreigners collectively only from about 30% of total StarCraft players and less than 5% of the competitive playing field (in absolute numbers). Learning StarCraft is augmented tremendously by LAN environment and having competition around you. Numbers do matter., which is why Russia will always have an excess of top Chess players for example - Russia has around 1 million competitive Chess players. Foreigners are for the most part all spread out across the world, each one pretty isolated, and some good players for years only had themselves and their home computers before they actually got to see other skilled players game live or do some LAN practice.
China might make the difference one day but they are so limited with their connectivity and government we might just never know.
This is the first time I've seen someone on the "inside" of WDT actually admit it was a scam. I seem to remember long afterwards Rekrul would tell people ilnp's ZvT was just "more solid than a dino terd".
I don't understand why people forgive it, either. It has to be _by far_ the shittiest thing anyone has done in the history of Starctraft. Has there been anything done to redeem it?
At least we got brood war chart out of it as a result.
On April 15 2007 11:47 Physician wrote: Learning StarCraft is augmented tremendously by LAN environment and having competition around you. Numbers do matter, which is why Russia will always have an excess of top Chess players for example - Russia has around 1 million competitive Chess players, more than the rest of the world put together. Foreigners are for the most part all spread out across the world, each one pretty isolated, and some good players for years only had themselves and their home computers before they actually got to see other skilled players game live or do some LAN practice.
I guess that was pure sarcasm from skew, though. Okey guys. I think one thing is for sure : Artosis overrates himself pretty much. Actually Artosis is no where close near the top 20 of non korean gamers. Thats simply a fact. I dont care if u agree, but Artosis is by far not as good as some think and especially him..
2nd Testie is not as arrogant as he used to be. Actually i think testie is one of the people who know better how hard it is to do good in pro gaming and i m pretty sure he even knows he probably wouldnt do much in korea. And he himself should now best how impossible it is to do good in korea if you are playing random. Absolutely impossible. I mean.. these guys try to master one race .. A random player .. omg n/c..
3rd rekruls post wasnt thaaat much about testie. But much more about the general issue with stupid foreigners thinking they are close to the koreans.. ect..( at least i think so )
the media guys are indeed a bit strange at first sight, but actually.. they are nice guys . I played skew once in esl league.. at first he flamed me after i raped him ( i would lose 7 out of 10 games vs him but in that game i raped him ). So he basicaly downtalked me, said i was noob ect.. then we talked more and we actually played a bit and came a long good. So at least Skew is a nice guy , imho..
Artosis is kinda strange, though. Example ? I make random challange at ESL league, i get artosis at opponent. Log on battle net, then i get a call. I have to go away asap. I write him that i have to go. What does he say ? You are just afraid u fucking chobo. I'm like wtf. Is he sooo confident ? Like.. i beat much better players than artosis ( lost more for sure.. )..
Ok but all in all : Idra and Skew might look arrogant in the first place.. but actually they are cool guys..
On April 15 2007 11:47 Physician wrote: Learning StarCraft is augmented tremendously by LAN environment and having competition around you. Numbers do matter, which is why Russia will always have an excess of top Chess players for example - Russia has around 1 million competitive Chess players, more than the rest of the world put together. Foreigners are for the most part all spread out across the world, each one pretty isolated, and some good players for years only had themselves and their home computers before they actually got to see other skilled players game live or do some LAN practice.
Why does this make a difference on the internet?
You can see their hand movements, in chess I'm guessing face expressions and what their eyes are looking at. You can learn a lot more when you see players play even with first person replay you cant actually see them play. It helps out a little bit more.
My friend dancefayedance beat Artosis in a bo5 3-2 supposedly. My friend isn't that good and he was boasting about it for ages. He also said he has the reps but I don't know, needless to say I would wonder on Artosis' reaction to losing 2-3 to some random person. =P
#Servolisk You can learn more StarCraft, five times faster, in a PC bang in Korean with your real life friends than you will ever learn on your own at home alone. The shared enthusiasm, the friends, the hands on experience, starting StarCraft straight up with hotkeys, i.e from the first weeks, rather than figuring them out a few months/years later, daily tournaments you know no one is hacking etc.. you know yourself how much map-hacking ruins the competitive environment for new players, in a LAN environment you can chose to be free of this negative influence; you can practice ruses and tactics based on deceit, adding clever and freedom to your game play. Micro too is tougher with no latency, and thus pushing you for real speed. Community influence is also much stronger if you are living it offline, not only online. I won't even go into StarCraft tourneys on TV for years before we ever got them. Hope that answers your question. Tried my best.
i dont have anything against anyone but ill say it as i see it
1.testie you have self-esteem issues when u lose, for example when u loss to lamer i think in fbl then made a sm match with odin to prove to whoever that ur still good or w/e and when u loss to squall and started provoking him on the esl thread and dont say you dont act like ur a bw god or somethin cus u always do even tho i respect you for always going on tl-west and playing with everyone (we could also add in you not playing in tc a because maybe you think ur too good for us or somethin)
2.rekrul you made this thread because you need attention and for someone who hasnt done shit in korea aswell you talk alot and you might be a bit jealous of some of the players popularity, you shouldnt have made a thread like this and it shows how much of a low class player you are and for someone who isnt involved in the scene you sure do act like you know alot but you still accomplished way more things then most bw players so i respect for that but i dont respect your mouth
On April 15 2007 12:00 TT1 wrote: i dont have anything against anyone but ill say it as i see it
1.testie you have self-esteem issues when u lose, for example when u loss to lamer i think in fbl then made a sm match with odin to prove to whoever that ur still good or w/e and when u loss to squall and started provoking him on the esl thread and dont like you dont act like ur a bw god or somethin cus u always do even tho i respect you for always going on tl-west and playing with everyone (we could also add in you not playing in tc a because maybe you think ur too good for us or somethin)
2.rekrul you made this thread because you need attention and for someone who hasnt done shit in korea aswell you talk alot and you might be a bit jealous of some of the players popularity, you shouldnt have made a thread like this and it shows how much of a low class player you are and for someone who isnt involved in the scene you sure do act like you know alot but you still accomplished way more things then most bw players so i respect for that but i dont respect your mouth
My mouth is the truth and I have many times admitted I suck/sucked. I accomplished nothing as a SC player and this thread has nothing to do with my starcraft skill level. I do know everything about starcraft progaming, actually.
I think it's insanely unfair, to even try comparing Testie's current behaviour, to that of the insanely incoherent nonsense produced by every single team Media member. Testie might be bragging and acting somewhat "superior" indirectly; but honestly you cannot possibly compare that to the consistant idiocy that is the unmistakable result of even trying to play a single game with a Media member.
In particular I'd like to list Artosis, Chunjae and Idra as complete degenerates; every single time they lose, they whine like schoolgirls for hours on end. It's completely insufferable, why ANYONE would even somewhat praise idra's behaviour compared to the rest is also beyond comprehension - Does he act differently when losing to good players, compared to when he loses to "bad newbies that can only beat him in x y z matchup" ? Give me a fucking break.
Testie / Idra / ect.. = Good/gosu players overrating themselves; Searching excuses when they lose ect..
Mondi/Sen/ect.. = Good/gosu players always downtalking themselves and saying they '' suck '' ; Giving reasons why they won, how lucky they were and that they find the opponent better ( like they always say i was lucky there and there.. and ect..
Artosis & others = Mediocre / okey players who think they are gosus and always cry if they lose..
phil why do u give others a bad rep. if you dont know shit, idra never overates himself he's like one of the only players who always accepts games and plays with anyone but he does go crazy when he loses like the other american terrans
On April 15 2007 12:07 TT1 wrote: when i said scene i meant foreigner scene not progaming
I am an attention whore, and I admit this openly. I also was a cocky newbie BW player. This is why I'm able to look at these kids and see the obvious idiocy of the way lotta foreigners act. I just want them to admit that they suck at starcraft and will never amount to anything (I believe a few foreigners, Draco/Testie do have potential to possibly accomplish something in Korea with a lot of practice and a lot of luck...despite attacking their characters in my post)
On April 15 2007 12:14 TT1 wrote: phil why do u give others a bad rep. if you dont know shit, idra never overates himself he's like one of the only players who always accepts games and plays with anyone but he does go crazy when he loses like the other american terrans
Going crazy when u lose has some relation to overrating, though hasnt it ? And if u like i can edit the overrating part for idra.. but the rest is basicaly true.. and anyway as if this was a total serious post of me..
if anyone else posted a thread like this ... -_-;: no its not because you have style and class its because you're living in Korea (by the way you too are a foreigner do you have any pride?) that they let you post this.
Why would you ever attack leg like that? He didn't suck at all I think that once a foreigner actually makes it to korea into a korean team they have the capability to become great. Fine there weren't that many of them but look at warcraft... is the best player korean? Maybe its a complete matter of opinion between grubby tod sase moon fov etc. Retarded post white men can jump.
On April 15 2007 11:44 MYM.Testie wrote: Skew, the very first post addressed me directly. I responded. Rek is worth responding to, your nonsense is not. This is how I find [media] conducts itself. IdrA is the most level headed out of you, and by far the most respectable. This is what, a week old?
Yea.. I was fucking with him. Good comeback, dip shit.
lol, I agree that koreans > foreigners .... when it comes down to it most ppl who play starcraft and are foreigners whine like shit when they lose... just look at clan X17 possibly the most active foreigner channel, that channel depicts how things really are, and when ppl go on west they just put on there 'semi GM face' and dont curse ppl out as much.
But theres no point telling the best foreigners to stop acting cocky, because, they are in fact, the best foireigners even if that is newbie compared to koreans.
Äiti "360.nessu" Isintytär (Online) @ 2007-04-15 19:37:58 Reply #17 I dont like the "security" which Rekrul is enjoying in Tl.net he should be banned like rest who flame others....
Tl.net is just a bunch of admin kids who lick each others asses. and thats a fact.
roflmao what a jack~
and this one
On the subject of tl.net... there's a reason many posters choose gosugamers over teamliquid... apparently, any time an "old school poster" posts something you're supposed to kick their ass and never disagree with them, or the whole board flames you. Look, I don't want to change that... it's their shit right, I'm just explaining why I and alot of people do not post there. If you want to read a thread that has 4 people offering idiotic opinions and everyone aggreeing with them then that's cool but that's not for me.
Gosu gamer's has a much more responsible admin staff and much better coverage of news and better quality posts in general.
why would he get banned he had an opinion and he just expressed, gg.net forums are fucking gay cus u cant express ur opinion without getting it blocked at least tl.net admins have some balls and let people talk out their differences here
On April 15 2007 11:47 Physician wrote: That is why I like WCG-like events, foreigners may lag way behind in skill compared to Koreans, but at least you get a good idea who the better players are and Korean domination is always the final exclamation point since they always the first spots. It is a place anyone can go prove themselves too. I wish there were more WCG-like events.
I always knew Korean Pro-gamers were way above the rest, but at Blizzcon I saw it with my own eyes. They did not just win, they were there for the show, they toyed with the foreigners. I saw how the Korean pro-gamers literally toyed with Testie and company. I am not saying I can read minds but almost when it comes to faces, hopes and disappointments. I saw it too in Mondy\\\'s and Testie\\\'s faces - they knew too that they had been toyed with. It was rather disheartening.
Anyway this thread is depressing for the average StarCraft fan, i.e the majority, me included, for whom the likes of Testie, Draco and Mondy are highly skilled gamers from a relative perspective. Foreingners do lag way behind the pro-gamers and many top amateur Koreans.
We do have some excuses at this stage.
Foreigners collectively only from about 30% of total StarCraft players and less than 5% of the competitive playing field (in absolute numbers). Learning StarCraft is augmented tremendously by LAN environment and having competition around you. Numbers do matter., which is why Russia will always have an excess of top Chess players for example - Russia has around 1 million competitive Chess players. Foreigners are for the most part all spread out across the world, each one pretty isolated, and some good players for years only had themselves and their home computers before they actually got to see other skilled players game live or do some LAN practice.
China might make the difference one day but they are so limited with their connectivity and government we might just never know.
These are all good points, however, sometimes foreigners are able to pull out wins against the right koreans. Look at Testie and Android's domination of Silent Control as an example.
So for me, that's where the novelty of WCGs comes in. Koreans are better and would win the vast majority of the time, but sometimes they only get one game, or a short series. The fact is, anyone can lose in so few games.
Thus, the excitement of watching Oov play against Lamer. Hell can always freeze over and I'll be there watching, yelling HOLYSHIT when it happens.
I'd like to share something to you people. 2 Years ago to a Year ago, I really couldn't stand Rekrul or Testie at all. The facts are that they both grew up and changed dramatically. Rekrul is pretty smart, and he does know all about the scenes. He's been around pro gamers probably more then anyone that posts on this board.
So I'm sure he is the best source to tell us the skill difference between Korea and the rest. Testie defiantly changed, you people just need to leave your personal bias's and grudges behind. He is an amazing guy. NOONE else with his high status in the foreign scene still plays ums and contributes to the lower levels of players like he does. He's like fucking Tupac. I have become great friends with him.
You guys putting him down, really have no idea who he is. Anyways, you have to have some kind of pride in your gaming skills. I like SEn and all but when he's always saying, "well i was lucky, or I sucked" It gets on my nerves more then when a player says he has a good shot to win, or he will crush his foes with an IRON FIST. I like that shit. I don't like to hear pussy, hide in the shade comments. Anyways, get to really know people before you go all out spreading your judgments around.
On the subject of tl.net... there's a reason many posters choose gosugamers over teamliquid... apparently, any time an "old school poster" posts something you're supposed to kick their ass and never disagree with them, or the whole board flames you. Look, I don't want to change that... it's their shit right, I'm just explaining why I and alot of people do not post there. If you want to read a thread that has 4 people offering idiotic opinions and everyone aggreeing with them then that's cool but that's not for me.
Gosu gamer's has a much more responsible admin staff and much better coverage of news and better quality posts in general.
Regardless of whatever the hell develops and comes about as a result of this thread (and I haven't read #2 yet), I think the community somehow benefits from threads like these.
This topic is great because rek simply has the knowledge about Korean pro-gaming, the experience of giving it a try and the writing style to make this a good topic because the way he writes is believable. I believe what he writes.
In the grand scheme of things, foreigners do suck a lot compared to Koreans. Still I don't think the different communities (if I may call it this way) are to be compared simply because of the difference in environment. I think that's what rekrul's pointing out anyway, people may be good in the non-korean standards and win non-korean tournaments and it's all fun and we can cheer on our favourites, but compared to Koreans we're all nothing and we should stop making topics on: 'what if x or y would go to Korea, could he succeed?' because simply, this is a vaunted idea because we're lightyears behind the Korean general skill level.
The screenshots from Artosis against Smuft are hilarious. I always thought artosis was pretty humble back in the day when I still played and I have no idea why he suddenly thinks he's awesome. Must be the influence from his [media] buddies. I've always kinda liked Idra on this forum because he seems like an intelligent chap, but I guess he's a sore loser too. Everyone can be a sore loser but to take it out on the guy who just beat you is soo pathetic.
No comment really about Skew though, when ToT played Media last time for fragbet league or something, I was on b.net to obs a few games. While mondi was politely asking where some players where or whatever (I don't really recall what he asked), skew went off on him for no reason with some derogatory comments. Now I always thought he was a douchebag but that totally blew my mind. How can anyone who plays this game on a certain skill level still be that abrasive? I thought the game had matured enough so that we wouldn't have to hear garbage like 'STFU KID.' anymore.
I mean Testie used to be a big pain in the ass too but he's changed so much, some people just can't get over the fact that he also got a lot more mature.
Oh and I can say for a fact that almost anyone who was decent at BW (in the non-korean way ) was/is an attention whore simply because it is feeded to them via newsposts and praises, or they attract it to themselves by making topics like these. I also admit that I'm a huge attention whore. Whoever was any good at broodwar must've googled his name at least once to see how many hits it got. I know I have.
Yes, I do BM people after I lose, but I'm still friends with almost every single person I've BM'd in a game, so kiss my ass. I'll do what I want and you don't have to discuss it just because Testie presents the opportunity.
On April 15 2007 14:16 nortydog wrote: Skew we all know you suck but please dont make this thread about you
Everytime Testie says something about me or my team I'm going to take a shit on his curly, arrogant head. I'm sick of it. I've had to read his condescending shit for 2 years. If he wants to learn to be humble and mind his own business, you will never see me post here. Ever. I only come here to read interesting stuff and reply to friends, but I will defend myself and my team from idiots. Don't talk shit about us and you won't have to hear it back. It's really simple.
I don't know who Twisted is, but I don't imagine he'll continue anything, so w/e.
im not going to read through this thread but anyways.. smuft is my friend and i play him a lot. i was upset that i played so poorly and said that. it was taken out of context. i told him right after that i was disapointed with how i play. this shouldnt have ever been made public. yeah i bad manner my friends when they beat me. ask any of them. they know i dont mean things that i say like that. there is no reason to hate on me twisted. i thought we were amicable back when you still played. i never ever talk about my skill level i never ever self promote. i dont go on forums saying people suck. i just like to play starcraft a lot and i dont like losing. the one time i come on the forum is to defend assem and then i get trashed on by testie for like 5 pages. again i never talk about myself. i dont want to. i just want to compete and play my best. rekrul posting one private screen shot taken out of context shouldnt make everyone jump all over me. i know you all hate my turtle terran and think i suck. no reason to say im a pathetic loser etc.
On April 15 2007 14:13 Skew wrote: How about you go ask him then, brilliant one? Chunjae and I fuck with Mondragon in every clan war we have. Too bad you lack some of his comprehension.
Btw, mind your own business, I don't know or care who you are.
artosis always do the same but its not for real .... its like when i tell everyone "YOU BASTARD" its just kidding nothing serious you guys are taking things too serious when you dont know how is the relationship between players
I think that the substantive, non teenage girl aspects of this thread are probably true. But isn't it more fun to hope that maybe some foreigner will have a spark that ignites when they go to Korea? In any sport, the country that has that sport as part of its daily culture will have a huge striking advantage, but that doesn't mean that it's impossible for someone to come in and dedicate themselves and discover a wealth of talent. Who knows, maybe someone we haven't even heard of yet will come out and destroy the foreign scene and head to Korea and qualify for a starleague. It's not likely at all, but it is possible, and for me at least it's more fun to hope.
On April 15 2007 14:21 Artosis3 wrote: im not going to read through this thread but anyways.. smuft is my friend and i play him a lot. i was upset that i played so poorly and said that. it was taken out of context. i told him right after that i was disapointed with how i play. this shouldnt have ever been made public. yeah i bad manner my friends when they beat me. ask any of them. they know i dont mean things that i say like that. there is no reason to hate on me twisted. i thought we were amicable back when you still played. i never ever talk about my skill level i never ever self promote. i dont go on forums saying people suck. i just like to play starcraft a lot and i dont like losing. the one time i come on the forum is to defend assem and then i get trashed on by testie for like 5 pages. again i never talk about myself. i dont want to. i just want to compete and play my best. rekrul posting one private screen shot taken out of context shouldnt make everyone jump all over me. i know you all hate my turtle terran and think i suck. no reason to say im a pathetic loser etc.
Not hating you sir. I've always liked you, I'm just going by what was said here by people involved. I excuse myself for what I've said in your direction since my opinion was half-assed and uninformed. Sorry.
On April 15 2007 07:36 urban_attack wrote: I kinda agree with foreigners being cocky, but im also a dreamer and i wish we will see a foreginer doing well in korea in the future. Yeah my country says it all i hope Draco will make it some how. I have a question i've read somewhere that Draco's score in the tryouts was 3:4 is it true ?
I thought there were two tryouts - one that draco lost slightly, and one where draco was annihilated thoroughly.
I am friends with all of Media and they are fine to me but I cannot help but be slightly satisfied that they were called out for the bm shit they do when they lose. Greg/Dan/Alex even if you only "bm friends," can you see why it is still a bad idea? Just yell in the privacy of your own home, hit a wall or cuss. Cuss at yourself or something. But doing anything short of "gg I played poorly" or something like that will usually be blown up on a forum somewhere or captured in the text of a replay and used to paint you a worse person than you may be. Justifying it with "hes a friend" or "I do this to everyone" doesnt work either. Its not like you are "joking," you are seriously telling other players they are trash and should have lost. Simply not needed.
Artoisis saying "you won, but I'm much better than you" is taken out of context... how??? I know of 3 different people you said that too, all of which are better players than you are imho. So I'm not falling for that "we were friends, it was a friendly rant" bull.
i got a good laugh out of this post ^^ nice writing Rek! But you tend to forget that some foreigners actually beat the highest ranking progamers in korea... just because YOU dident dosent mean anyone else cant.
ToT)WiLLEt( > XellOs and BoxeR + 3 wins 4 losses vs NaDa... thats kinda good isent it?
But IMO people act the way they do because BW is extremely frustrating and the return for the effort you put in is not worth it 99% of the time. Its hard for some people to come to grips with the fact that the best players in the world only beat players of similar skill level about 60% of the time, and 60% would be a great percentage probably top 3 or 4. Once you realize that regardless of how good you are if you play people in a similar skill set to yourself (even several notches below) you may lose through many circumstances some of which may not even be under your direct control then you start to see how futile bw is. No one wins all the time, not even the best player in the world, and thats hard for some people to grasp (im sure most dont even think about it). I for one expected myself to perform well every game (even if I knew the player was better than me) and I understand now that I held myself to way too high of standards especially for the amount of time I put into actual "practcie" which was basically none(playing games isnt real practice imo, you need repetitions of situations/build orders to truly get better). I think the sooner off some of these guys learn that you cant do your best all the time the better off they will be.
BW is just frustrating as hell and Id like to give most people the benefit of the doubt that their personality (maybe they arent laid back) with a combination of frustration and lack of return causes people to get upset a lot (and its usually why they are fine later on). Dont believe that most of these newer progamers dont get pissed off too, I bet its a bit of a shock for them when they first get on a pro team and lose umpteen matches in a row and after months of practice they dont see much in return.
On April 15 2007 14:35 Pulimuli wrote: i got a good laugh out of this post ^^ nice writing Rek! But you tend to forget that some foreigners actually beat the highest ranking progamers in korea... just because YOU dident dosent mean anyone else cant.
ToT)WiLLEt( > XellOs and BoxeR + 3 wins 4 losses vs NaDa... thats kinda good isent it?
willet beat them
but he wasnt even clsoe to their day to day skill level.
beating someone is nice ya, but I mean, everyone beats everyone, ;(
On April 15 2007 13:01 TT1 wrote:at least tl.net admins have some balls and let people talk out their differences here
Joke of the year?
I love TL.net and choose it everyday over gosugamers, but... What you said can only be summarized in one way:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
Are you saying the average user get blocked/banned/thread closed more on gosugamers then on teamliquid? Omg jesus christ are you kidding me? Just check the autoban thread. Admins ban users here every fucking day. They DO NOT let people talk out their differences on this forum, unless it's an admin. I don't have a problem with it so don't ban me. But that line you wrote is really BS.
Back in the day it was more common anyway for top foreigners to win against top koreans because the skill difference was simply lower. This is why top foreigners had more success earlier like Grrr or Elky or Nazgul. The skill difference was _lower_. In earlier WCG's the foreigners could compete better also but there was Boxer who dominated.
On April 15 2007 13:01 TT1 wrote:at least tl.net admins have some balls and let people talk out their differences here
Joke of the year?
I love TL.net and choose it everyday over gosugamers, but... What you said can only be summarized in one way:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
Are you saying the average user get blocked/banned/thread closed more on gosugamers then on teamliquid? Omg jesus christ are you kidding me? Just check the autoban thread. Admins ban users here every fucking day. They DO NOT let people talk out their differences on this forum, unless it's an admin. I don't have a problem with it so don't ban me. But that line you wrote is really BS.
On April 15 2007 13:01 TT1 wrote:at least tl.net admins have some balls and let people talk out their differences here
Joke of the year?
I love TL.net and choose it everyday over gosugamers, but... What you said can only be summarized in one way:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
Are you saying the average user get blocked/banned/thread closed more on gosugamers then on teamliquid? Omg jesus christ are you kidding me? Just check the autoban thread. Admins ban users here every fucking day. They DO NOT let people talk out their differences on this forum, unless it's an admin. I don't have a problem with it so don't ban me. But that line you wrote is really BS.
This is a discussion forum. When mindless unknown idiots go on flaming sprees against one another they get banned. When people who are known flame against them we give them a warning or they get temp-banned. This is simply how it works here. When people who are known are having a heated debate but are intelligent in the way they write, they do not get banned. The topic might get closed but they don't get banned. People get banned here for being shitty posters.
On April 15 2007 13:01 TT1 wrote:at least tl.net admins have some balls and let people talk out their differences here
Joke of the year?
I love TL.net and choose it everyday over gosugamers, but... What you said can only be summarized in one way:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
Are you saying the average user get blocked/banned/thread closed more on gosugamers then on teamliquid? Omg jesus christ are you kidding me? Just check the autoban thread. Admins ban users here every fucking day. They DO NOT let people talk out their differences on this forum, unless it's an admin. I don't have a problem with it so don't ban me. But that line you wrote is really BS.
i dont have anything against gg.net they're the best foreign news site and if it wasnt for them the bw community would be alot smaller then it is but its ridicolous that when anyone uses fuck on a post their comment gets blocked dont you think ?
btw "its like when i tell everyone "YOU BASTARD" its just kidding nothing serious you guys are taking things too serious when you dont know how is the relationship between players: lmfao i love you darki
there are a lot of normally nice people out there who are so competitive that when they play they often act poorly and have manner issues, win or lose..it is the sad part of starcraft and every other online competitive game out there.. online because really it's worst when you have total anonymity and dont have to see the person face to face
On April 15 2007 13:57 Twisted wrote: Whoever was any good at broodwar must've googled his name at least once to see how many hits it got. I know I have.
On April 15 2007 11:44 MYM.Testie wrote: Skew, the very first post addressed me directly. I responded. Rek is worth responding to, your nonsense is not. This is how I find [media] conducts itself. IdrA is the most level headed out of you, and by far the most respectable. This is what, a week old?
Yea.. I was fucking with him. Good comeback, dip shit.
So easy to say this, but I've gotta tell you that if you make physical threats over the internet through whispers to someone you don't even know, there's pretty much no way you can say you were "just joking."
On April 15 2007 13:01 TT1 wrote:at least tl.net admins have some balls and let people talk out their differences here
Joke of the year?
I love TL.net and choose it everyday over gosugamers, but... What you said can only be summarized in one way:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
Are you saying the average user get blocked/banned/thread closed more on gosugamers then on teamliquid? Omg jesus christ are you kidding me? Just check the autoban thread. Admins ban users here every fucking day. They DO NOT let people talk out their differences on this forum, unless it's an admin. I don't have a problem with it so don't ban me. But that line you wrote is really BS.
wtf? One has to do some pretty fucking stupid things to get banned here.
On April 15 2007 11:44 MYM.Testie wrote: Skew, the very first post addressed me directly. I responded. Rek is worth responding to, your nonsense is not. This is how I find [media] conducts itself. IdrA is the most level headed out of you, and by far the most respectable. This is what, a week old?
Yea.. I was fucking with him. Good comeback, dip shit.
So easy to say this, but I've gotta tell you that if you make physical threats over the internet through whispers to someone you don't even know, there's pretty much no way you can say you were "just joking."
I'd imagine you do it the same way you would say anything. Right? "I'm joking." Why pray tell, can someone not say they were joking after whispering it on bnet?
rofl I don't see how it's fair to tell people they can't compete at a pro level and tell them they suck in the same breath. Not everybody considers bw to be a future career you know.
Besides... just because you had a bad experience trying to go pro doesn't mean you have to take it out on everybody.
Plus I think it's unfair how you singled out artosis. I mean sure he's a bm nerd but is it really nessesary to start a thread flaming him just because you got a bad vibe from one of his rwt you downloaded? I'm sure he goes through a lot of grief losing especially because it's getting close to wcg time again.
I don't get how all this ban talk keeps coming up.
I've never seen anyone get banned for intelligently (and sometimes even stupidly) arguing with anyone, particularly mods. I was an argumentative asshole for the first year that I posted on this site and I've never felt uncomfortable saying exactly what I feel on any issue.
I'm going to give my opinion, doesn't matter either way but its mine. I understand sadist's points of where bw can be frustrating, where a small mistake can determine the game. Yes we practice and play in the hopes of getting better and usually hit a wall which gets us angry. But in my belief this is probably only where you dedicate your life to the game.
I don't understand the need to bash even your friends, yes joking around is fine but most of these weren't taken out of context, saying they were is/was an excuse. You know for a fact that they seriously think that. The better you are in bw, the more arrogant and bm you get. In most cases this is true, in some few exceptions it isn't.
Why act like a retard regardless if it was frustrating? Why act like a retard to your friends? You lost, get over it, figure out why you lost or if it was a simple mistake, try to rectify it. Don't look for an excuse. Yea im probably not as good as most these egos, but i can honestly say that when i lose, i simply say "gg" and either ask for re, or just discuss the game, or be done with it. There is absolutely no need to even mention your own status in the game, its a fucken game, get over a loss, yea its probably frustrating, who cares? I'm just ranting now, but i can't even understand why the people who bm say "it was in the moment" or "i was frustrated" or it was taken out of context. You know full damn well that you meant every word, it probably just didn't come out as nice but you still meant it.
The problem is that the issue is concerning not only artosis and the other kids from media, but a LARGE part of the 'best' teams outside korea. Sure [media] is probably the retarded champion team here. But have you ever seen the intellectual level of some MgZ members for example ? That's impressive. You should download some reps and see them with PP on. Waw.
And i say this for MgZ but thats typically the case with a lot of 'known' teams outside korea, especially from the mediocre-good players in them who believe they don't have the attention they deserve.
lol relax its different when u speak about someone with ur friends of f m then when u speak about the person on a pub channel, we use "east" slang if u can say on f m cus thats how were used to speaking and we understand each other but really everyone in mgz is so nice and well mannared i really dont see why u would bring us into this discussion
and im sure ur referring to ur pp mgz rep of when hung and hullah were playing, its pretty naive of u using 1 random example like that to label the whole clan
Unfortunatly i dont have the time nor the will to sort the interesting ones for you but i guess it shouldn't be too hard to find some jewels.
Related note : actually some time ago i would have included you in the retarded guys mentionned above no doubt, but you seem to have gotten much more mature these days so don't take it too seriously. And no, talking shit and showing off while f m is not more laudable than the rest, even if i believe it is a little less retarded ? And you are right when you say everyone in mgz is very mannered ; hung seems indeed soooooooo mannered. Too much i guess.
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