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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:32:26
January 07 2014 04:00 GMT
#1
writing this out was emotional.. wrong thing to do.

There are copies of it elsewhere if you really want to read what I said but it's probably best I just "delete" it atm.

Sorry
JazzJackrabbit
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1272 Posts
January 07 2014 04:03 GMT
#2
For fuck's sake....first Artosis, now you? Why is everyone having a falling out with JP??
Destiny
Profile Joined May 2009
United States280 Posts
January 07 2014 04:03 GMT
#3
I wouldn't expect anything less from the man who punched Stephano into retirement.
To achieve perfection is to sacrifice growth.
epsilon.834
Profile Joined April 2013
United States2 Posts
January 07 2014 04:04 GMT
#4
hang in there dude <3

sorry man
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
CEPEHDREI
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1521 Posts
January 07 2014 04:04 GMT
#5
you are seriously trying to make yourself look like the victim here? AGAIN? wow
EmperorofAwesome
Profile Joined December 2012
United States4 Posts
January 07 2014 04:04 GMT
#6
Hey man, You and JP just need to sleep on it and discuss when emotions arent at a high. You gotta be able to bounce back from these things and quite frankly both sides did wrong. No reason that you cant continue with the show.
Everything is Imba
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1413 Posts
January 07 2014 04:04 GMT
#7
that sucks, but i think both of you should take a day or 2 and cool off and then try to work things out. it would be really sad if it all ended like this.
kingtut
Profile Joined June 2011
United States359 Posts
January 07 2014 04:05 GMT
#8
:'(
jchxn
Profile Joined December 2012
United States2 Posts
January 07 2014 04:05 GMT
#9
I don't think JP handled this well at all, and while his argument does have some validity, you have to keep in mind the show is called ROLLPLAY and the whole point is to ROLEPLAY. Totally irrational decision that was off the cuff in the end and never should have led up to this in the first place.
scBaldwin
Profile Joined September 2012
United States111 Posts
January 07 2014 04:05 GMT
#10
With his schedule clear of inconsequential roll playing shows, and with plenty of time to practice, iNcontroL went on to win every major Starcraft II tournament in 2014.
@BaldwintheBold
fenrysk
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States364 Posts
January 07 2014 04:05 GMT
#11
any chance to talk it over with JP once emotions have cooled down?
http://fenrysk-art.deviantart.com
Vulcanix
Profile Joined August 2010
United States8 Posts
January 07 2014 04:06 GMT
#12
Can't you just hug it out? I unsubbed until you are back on the show. <3 Geoff
andy186
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1058 Posts
January 07 2014 04:06 GMT
#13
JP calling other people out on having an ego rofl
Satiate
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada4 Posts
January 07 2014 04:06 GMT
#14
This kind of thing reminds me of seeing my high school friends sharing their breakups through Facebook. Considering much of this is JPs living, I'd recommend having some professional courtesy and keeping it offline.
Dismund
Profile Joined May 2010
United States23 Posts
January 07 2014 04:06 GMT
#15
well he just booted the best character off of his show
elmizzt
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3309 Posts
January 07 2014 04:06 GMT
#16
maybe he is just jealous that you carry every show you appear on <3
d=(^_^)z
Dreamgzer
Profile Joined October 2011
United States17 Posts
January 07 2014 04:07 GMT
#17
Dude, you're great, seriously. You may sometimes come off as a dick and comments may have been a bit overboard...but jp has pulled that shit SO many times before, he has NO reason to get mad at all. I just hope you guys chill out and can talk it out like men. Rollplay Solum has become one of my favorite series , on the level of Breaking bad and Game Of Thrones, it would be so dumb to see it end because of a dispute like this.

Cheer up man =/
o.O
Skully
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany17 Posts
January 07 2014 04:07 GMT
#18
I honestly hope everything gets sorted out between you two.
Friends get into situations like this, and in like most of the time you will be able to figure everything out and get over it. The other part, well.. they have never been real friends. I hope you can find a way to get over this stuff and continue working together.
To achieve perfection is to sacrifice growth.
4rChon
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
150 Posts
January 07 2014 04:08 GMT
#19
I think many appreciate that you got the story out there as soon as possible so people can make more sense of the situation. I'm a fan of both of you and jp so i can't pick sides. I just hope you guys sort it out eventually. It would be a shame for something so magical in a sense to be lost just because of a couple of miscommunications.

Hope things get fixed as soon as possible.
renlynn
Profile Joined May 2011
United States276 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:09:09
January 07 2014 04:08 GMT
#20
I understand where you're coming from but I don't think this blog really serves anything at the moment

for that matter, I don't think discussing it here (or anywhere else) really serves anything at the moment, either.
jagtress
Profile Joined June 2013
Canada32 Posts
January 07 2014 04:08 GMT
#21
Baldwin has a good answer XD I like this idea. 2014 Year of iNcontroL? :D
Live, Love, Be, Believe - The Cruxshadows
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:10:13
January 07 2014 04:08 GMT
#22
I've defended you a lot in the past and generally enjoy you on shows/streams/whatever.

In this case, however... did you honestly, truly not think you were being a dick to Gen too often and that it went too far? I mean, self-awareness is hard on any scale, but Jesus, man.

Regardless, take a day to calm down and you bros talk it out. Keep the character and if you want to be mean, learn to be a mean person instead of somebody who is just mean to one person.

I suppose I'm most surprised that somehow this particular argument was enough to collapse the show in on itself. You all need to take a nap or something.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:09:10
January 07 2014 04:08 GMT
#23
do what Artosis did, start your own show

but for real, sucks to hear/see this happen to you
exoduas
Profile Joined August 2012
86 Posts
January 07 2014 04:08 GMT
#24
On January 07 2014 13:06 andy186 wrote:
JP calling other people out on having an ego rofl


yea its pretty hilarious
aaronjreeves
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8 Posts
January 07 2014 04:09 GMT
#25
On January 07 2014 13:00 iNcontroL wrote:
Ok so I am shaking and emotional so forgive me for what is surely going to be a rambly bad post but I wanted to share

I am removed from the show. JP thought I was attacking/bullying Gen when i said "shut the fuck up" and "nobody likes a whiney bitch" (in game).

geoff
[7:31:34 PM] JP McDaniel: if you call gen a whiny bitch again
[7:31:36 PM] JP McDaniel: that is not fuckign cool
[7:31:38 PM] JP McDaniel: and you are off the show
[7:31:45 PM] JP McDaniel: i dont know why you ahve such an ego b ut i will not let you do that to anyone



Fuck that. Im boycotting everything done by/involving JP. Im unsubscribing and never watching any of his content again. Fuck that and fuck him.
Between the Buried and Me
GKFC
Profile Joined October 2012
8 Posts
January 07 2014 04:09 GMT
#26
OK, firstly, Geoff I think you can be a bit of a jerk to Gen. Sometimes valid, other times you just jump down her throat. So I can see where JP is coming from.

However, this was completely the wrong way to handle this. As you said, if JP had a problem he should've come to you and talked it through first.

To just lash out like that, then kick you off / shut down the show comes across as very immature. Certainly not impressed with the way it was handled.

Hopefully calmer heads prevail, but I think this has done a lot of damage to the perception of JP / the show...

Take it easy,

G.
Verator
Profile Joined June 2010
United States283 Posts
January 07 2014 04:09 GMT
#27
From a fan's perspective, you were definitely singling out Gen repeatedly week after week, regardless of what she did. To carry that over to the new character, even though its a totally different character that is actually someone pretty competent and important in the setting, is a pretty dick move.

That being said, it was absolutely too much of a knee-jerk reaction, and the correct move was to stop for a few minutes, and come back to talk about it later.

There's a difference between being kind of a dick in character, and singling people out regardless of character. With Vincent, it could seem to be in character, but to carry that attitude over to the new game was hard to argue it was in character.

I suggest you both take some time off and go back later, and talk it over with each other individually after you sleep, or talk it over with Gen.

TL;DR: JP was wrong to rage kick so quickly without talking it over, but you were wrong to be repeatedly mean to Gen in the same way every week. You both need to take time off and talk it over.
So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence. -- Bertrand Russell
abei1234
Profile Joined June 2011
United States89 Posts
January 07 2014 04:09 GMT
#28
I'm with Incontrol on this one. This is the internet, not a workplace with rules and regulations.
abei1234
Strut
Profile Joined June 2010
United States182 Posts
January 07 2014 04:09 GMT
#29
On January 07 2014 13:06 Satiate wrote:
This kind of thing reminds me of seeing my high school friends sharing their breakups through Facebook. Considering much of this is JPs living, I'd recommend having some professional courtesy and keeping it offline.


JP should have thought of that before he threatened to kick Geoff off in the middle of the show. I've unsubscribed until this is resolved.
Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:16:03
January 07 2014 04:10 GMT
#30
Welp, that's super unfortunate.

Am I the only one that finds it... odd that this is all down to overreacting on a roleplaying game show?

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that everyone on the show has been mean to Gen at one point or another, cept maybe Ryan? And everyone gets exasperated with her. She's clearly not an easy person to do this kind of thing with. This isn't said to excuse that she's abused, it's to say that everyone on that show has acted in an unprofessional and borderline mean way to her in the past. If it's been missed by any of the rest of the cast and this is the first time it's been brought up then that's a failure on the part of the entire cast (including Gen). Exploding like this randomly is silly by Geoff and JP. Geoff is right in that you don't just explode. JP is right in that you're not overly a douche. But it was handled fucking abysmally.
My name is Mike, and statistically, yours is not.
Sithril
Profile Joined April 2011
Slovakia169 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:13:02
January 07 2014 04:10 GMT
#31
Honestly? I hope you guys will get along again. Atleast, I hope thats your goal.

Anyway - yes, Vincent was a d*ck to Abigail most of the series and at times it was *really* hard to distinguish Vincent being agressive to Abi and Geoff beinc agressive to Gen. It was over time I realised it was Vinc, but still it was noticable and brough up (somtimes) in discussion between fans of Rollplay DnD. The difference between You and JP is that with JP he convays it that its obviously non serious, but your characters tended to be serios guys.

I hope this gets settled. Its not like the first time humans got into a conflict and I personally see you guys getting along again and continuing RP:Solumn with Victarian *and* Alice in the same group.

Cheers!
Noogie
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada49 Posts
January 07 2014 04:10 GMT
#32
Whether I agree with what you said in game or not. Your what makes the show fun for me...when I tuned in today I was already upset that JP was playing a girl, and Gen a boy. But I was willing to give it a try because you make me laugh and have an extremely quick wit. I don't have to agree with everything someone says.
Gentso
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2218 Posts
January 07 2014 04:10 GMT
#33
On January 07 2014 13:03 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
For fuck's sake....first Artosis, now you? Why is everyone having a falling out with JP??


From experience, people who get upset over ego have an ego problem themselves. I shouldn't comment on this at all since I haven't watched JP since SOTG was relevant, but from what I've seen he probably can't deal with becoming irrelevant.

I wonder if a VOD will be available for people like me who have no idea what's going on? I saw Geoff's tweet and thought he was trolling because this entire thing just sounds so ridiculous to me.
Vesci
Profile Joined January 2014
1 Post
January 07 2014 04:10 GMT
#34
What is wrong with JP? He plays like a dick for most of his characters and the minute someone else plays a mean character it's not allowed? I really do hope things work out but I can't see how JP is not in the wrong on this situation.
reju
Profile Joined April 2011
United States7 Posts
January 07 2014 04:10 GMT
#35
love your content incontrol and will still watch your stuff but as a random viewer you, idk if it was the way u were trying to rp or not, but you alway came across as very aggressive and force full. To be honest you were only person i didn't like in any of the role play shows.

will still watch you and jp's stuff <3 u both
_Ventus
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia12 Posts
January 07 2014 04:10 GMT
#36
This is so funny and so sad. Major support here Geoff. You're not in the wrong even slightly.
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
January 07 2014 04:11 GMT
#37
Dude. You are going to get in fights with your friends. Even a rare fist fight sometimes. It will work it's self out.
whuderE
Profile Joined December 2011
53 Posts
January 07 2014 04:11 GMT
#38
Geoff JP's channel was the first twitch channel i've subbed to. It was largely in part because of you. I think you bring a lot to the two most interesting and exciting shows on his channel. I was so excited to have the show back after a month and i really hope you guys can work things out. I'll support you in whatever you decide to do man <3
Gator
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States3432 Posts
January 07 2014 04:11 GMT
#39
gen picks a male character then does a terrible job role playing him and geoff gets kicked off for calling a male character a whiney bitch?? whats the point of role playing if you're going to take everything personal
TSM
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
January 07 2014 04:11 GMT
#40
I'm not gonna take any sides, but this is probably stupidest way to crash a relationship -- and i'm sure no one would want that to anyone..

At least Ryan and Gen acted this like everyone should have.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
January 07 2014 04:11 GMT
#41
Hopefully you guys can work this out somehow, would suck to see it end this way
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:15:13
January 07 2014 04:11 GMT
#42
This was such a wtf moment, there's break on screen, then JP comes and tells it's done. Ta fak? Here I thought you people were having fun and were able to like actually talk with each other if something was amiss.

Don't fucking kill Dark Heresy!

e: and what about Gen? Was she offended by your conduct, did she talk with JP about it without talking to you, how the hell did a mess like this just appear?
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
January 07 2014 04:12 GMT
#43
On January 07 2014 13:05 jchxn wrote:
I don't think JP handled this well at all, and while his argument does have some validity, you have to keep in mind the show is called ROLLPLAY and the whole point is to ROLEPLAY. Totally irrational decision that was off the cuff in the end and never should have led up to this in the first place.


while i agree. His "good" character Vincent was still a dick to abigael, and now his bad character just so happens to pick out jens character to be a dick too. However if jen doesn't haev a issue with it, it's fine...and inter party conflict like this is common. In a game of mine i was a paladin and there was a inquistor who had a opposing gods...so when we battle back and forth at the end of the session or after a "arguement" we always made sure we were still cool. It seems like this was handled wrongly
ahwarlin
Profile Joined January 2014
1 Post
January 07 2014 04:12 GMT
#44
I feel betrayed, hurt and alone.


Sorry to the fans that followed me on this journey. Not sure where I go from here.


Good god man, get off your high horse. You said something you shouldn't have said, and JP got pissed. And then you both got pissed in public. Take off your victim hood mask and be a man instead.

And if you were really trying to RP to Gen's character, why'd you call the old man a "whiny bitch"? Not "go back to your medicine you old fuck" or "deal with it, gramps"?
jdp216
Profile Joined November 2012
United States9 Posts
January 07 2014 04:12 GMT
#45
in sure evrything will work its self out friends fight from time to time i hope you can both move past this and keep the show going.
infester good unit
DaveyDDial
Profile Joined January 2014
1 Post
January 07 2014 04:12 GMT
#46
God forbid somebody besides JP play an irrational jerk character and act mean to other characters. What the hell does JP think the conversations between Azril and Abi were? The entire point of Banon was to be an evil douche and the entire point of Victarion was to be an antisocial meaner guy than Vincent. This is ridiculous.
MinzySC2
Profile Joined August 2011
United States261 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:14:12
January 07 2014 04:13 GMT
#47
C'mon Geoff, it's pretty obvious that you can't insult pure, innocent, internet attractive womens around the whitest of knights JP "Thirsty as fuck" McDaniels.
Shitposting for America.
aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
January 07 2014 04:13 GMT
#48
Haha JP is the biggest white knight I've ever seen. He tries so hard to get these girls to like him, it would be cute if it wasn't so sad.
Wahaha
Finalmastery
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States58 Posts
January 07 2014 04:13 GMT
#49
Please think about this Geoff and sit down with JP and talk about this.
" The will to win is nothing without the will to prepare" - Juma Ikaanga
imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
January 07 2014 04:13 GMT
#50
I hope both of you can just take a day to chill out, talk tomorrow, and then re-evaluate.
... In life very little goes right. "Right" meaning the way one expected and the way one wanted it. One has no right to want or expect anything.
plated.rawr
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway1676 Posts
January 07 2014 04:13 GMT
#51
Yes, you've been a dick and have been bullying others in your various rokeplaying endevours. Yes, JP is overreacting by calling you out for it this late and using it as an excuse to throw you out. You've both fucked up.

Now kiss and make up and get over it. Neither yours or his side is in the right here.
Savior broke my heart ;_; || twitch.tv/onnings
theJob
Profile Joined October 2010
272 Posts
January 07 2014 04:14 GMT
#52
Geoff, you're like 90% of the entertainmentvalue of Rollplay. If you're not on it, I have no reason to watch it.

Have watched Rollplay, Dark heresy and R&D religously since release. It all ends now.

You have my support and condolences m8.
Winners train. Loosers complain.
ImHuko
Profile Joined December 2010
United States996 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:16:20
January 07 2014 04:14 GMT
#53
You have always been a dick to Gen, whether it was with body language, or words. Gen is always visibly effected to the point where she can't even have fun and role play how she wants. The fact that you haven't even apologized in your mopey bullshit post here speaks loudly about you.


You have always wanted to talk down to Gen and JP has INFACT yelled at you before. He has told you before to stop yelling at Gen and let her roleplay how she wants.. In fact, he actually said "shut the fuck up, geoff. let gen play how she wants". You remember the shut the fuck up part, but not the part that you whine about never being told.

Stop playing the fucking victim, you're a grown ass man. You caused this shit by being a dick to Gen, and you haven't even apologized, just tried to play victim.

Also for the "JP is allowed to be a jerk". JP is not a very funny guy, and when he tries to be funny, he laughs at himself. He never once said something out of the ordinary rude in his roleplaying without laughing or smiling afterwards. When you called her a whiney bitch, you had the most serious look on your face, right before realizing what you did, then you got kind of worried. That is not roleplaying, that is letting emotion take control but having a solid backup playing claiming it as roleplaying.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 07 2014 04:14 GMT
#54
I acknowledge that I am mean to gen from time to time. I apologized to her as I didn't know it was hurting her feelings. I am not saying this to absolve myself of it but rather to express my sincere apologies for doing that. My point is however I genuinely had no idea it was becoming an actual issue. You can believe that or not. I didn't know. Neither Gen or JP ever said anything about it to me. I pride myself on always striving to improve but I sometimes have no fucking idea that I am doing something wrong.. by going from 0 to boiled over I got blind sided. If you think that is me claiming to be the victim so be it. I am just trying to give perspective.
WWarrior
Profile Joined January 2014
Canada1 Post
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:15:43
January 07 2014 04:14 GMT
#55
I feel like what you said was very in character, as both of the characters were guys, and sometimes, guys just talk to each other like that, it doesn't mean anything. What you said didn't seem to be in an insulting fashion at all. Also, after, on Ryan's stream, Gen seemed to completely not care about it.
mainerd
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States347 Posts
January 07 2014 04:14 GMT
#56
Regardless of whatever your behavior is being labeled (I think the fact that many people were totally blind sided by this speaks to how the flagrancy of it is being blown out of proportion), the mishandling of the situation is way worse. It just won't be the same without you and will lose viewers. I think many of us are still holding out hope that the show can go on. Plz try and hug it out <3
"Let me tell you, in eSTRO we had some circle jerks, straight up. It wasn't pretty." -NonY
TheCustodian
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada9 Posts
January 07 2014 04:14 GMT
#57
It's nice to hear your full thoughts on the situation. I will be interested to see the effect on viewership after your departure.
JazzJackrabbit
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1272 Posts
January 07 2014 04:15 GMT
#58
On January 07 2014 13:10 Gentso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 13:03 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
For fuck's sake....first Artosis, now you? Why is everyone having a falling out with JP??


From experience, people who get upset over ego have an ego problem themselves. I shouldn't comment on this at all since I haven't watched JP since SOTG was relevant, but from what I've seen he probably can't deal with becoming irrelevant.

I wonder if a VOD will be available for people like me who have no idea what's going on? I saw Geoff's tweet and thought he was trolling because this entire thing just sounds so ridiculous to me.

I believe the Twitch VODs are sub only and he probably won't upload a VOD of this to YouTube.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 07 2014 04:15 GMT
#59
Good god is it necessary to have a public fight over a role playing game? I think there are issues on both sides, most noteworthy of which being the fact that there is a little bit of being a drama queen on both of you.

People should be able to discuss things before it gets to this level.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
January 07 2014 04:15 GMT
#60
I'm glad your post is more from a place of being hurt and feeling like you misread the situation, this would be a really easy situation to just throw up a post full of only blame and self confidence that you are in the right.

My opinion, as a fan who has watched every episode of Rollplay, is that you sleep on it or take the week and as you suggested that JP sit down and talk with you about what is and isn't acceptable as other shows he Rollplays on (R&D) have definite worse in character behavior.

I think JP overreacted, especially since he did not give you an opportunity to explain, but its his show and if he wants those sort of rules he can have them as long as he is clear what they are. You guys need to set firmer ground rules for playing it seems, but I hope you can continue with what is my favorite show in esports (ha) right now.
exoduas
Profile Joined August 2012
86 Posts
January 07 2014 04:15 GMT
#61
not allowed to roleplay on a roleplaying show unless you are mr. sunshine


L O L
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
January 07 2014 04:16 GMT
#62
On January 07 2014 13:13 plated.rawr wrote:
Yes, you've been a dick and have been bullying others in your various rokeplaying endevours. Yes, JP is overreacting by calling you out for it this late and using it as an excuse to throw you out. You've both fucked up.

Now kiss and make up and get over it. Neither yours or his side is in the right here.


May this be read a thousand times and seen for the truth that it is.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
KingRajesh
Profile Joined July 2010
United States927 Posts
January 07 2014 04:16 GMT
#63
I unsubbed from JP. After almost a year of shows, JP shouldn't just KICK one of the fan favorite characters off a show. Could you imagine if they kicked Walter White off Breaking Bad? Or Tyrion off Game of Thrones?

Jesus H. Christ.
"Zerg are the absolute worst thing that can happen to your day" - Dustin Browder
Dismund
Profile Joined May 2010
United States23 Posts
January 07 2014 04:16 GMT
#64
On January 07 2014 13:13 MinzySC2 wrote:
C'mon Geoff, it's pretty obvious that you can't insult pure, innocent, internet attractive womens around the whitest of knights JP "Thirsty as fuck" McDaniels.

HAHAHAHAHA
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 07 2014 04:16 GMT
#65
On January 07 2014 13:14 ImHuko wrote:
You have always been a dick to Gen, whether it was with body language, or words. Gen is always visibly effected to the point where she can't even have fun and role play how she wants. The fact that you haven't even apologized in your mopey bullshit post here speaks loudly about you.


You have always wanted to talk down to Gen and JP has INFACT yelled at you before. He has told you before to stop yelling at Gen and let her roleplay how she wants.. In fact, he actually said "shut the fuck up, geoff. let gen play how she wants". You remember the shut the fuck up part, but not the part that you whine about never being told.

Stop playing the fucking victim, you're a grown ass man. You caused this shit by being a dick to Gen, and you haven't even apologized, just tried to play victim.


I recognize your name as a hater from other threads/projects. You aren't welcome here as you are incredibly biased and mean. Please don't come back here.
orBitual
Profile Joined January 2011
United States96 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:17:32
January 07 2014 04:16 GMT
#66
the one thing that always bothered me about this show was incontrol's dickishness to gen, but I assumed they talked about it behind the scenes and would work it out or someone would quit eventually (gen).

i still hope you work it out, though.
Shadow Sylph
Profile Joined December 2010
United States98 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:18:34
January 07 2014 04:17 GMT
#67
Regardless of your character being mean or whatever and you wanting to play a meaner character... If your character was really that mean/dismissive you wouldn't be apart of a group. You would never have been allowed to join such an awesome and adventurous group. Either that or you would be outcast because you are unproductive and not a 'team player.' (hence what occurred)

That addressing the roleplay aspect, on the flip side those phrases are really just being dismissive of Gen's point of view and to say that your idea is better. Especially because these happen frequently or almost exclusively with Gen as well, it is as if you're attacking her or (if accepting roleplay) her character. Even if it's not about personal attacks against Gen, personal attacks against her character are not conducive to good roleplay dynamics either. If you are going to roleplay a mean or aggressive character, it still has to function within the group in some way that represent a respect for those that you travel with.

TL;DR; No one wants to travel with a "whiney bitch" (Not as mean as it sounds)
kenpokesbarbie
Profile Joined January 2014
Canada1 Post
January 07 2014 04:17 GMT
#68
got to love the people defending geoff I would understand if this was the first time he has done something like this but it is not he has made rude comments towards gen every week of the show whenever she is taking to long to role play something. You can say it was his character all you want but half the time he wasn't even in the same area when gen was role playing something and he still made comments undermining her. On the other hand jp can't say much either because he has also been guilty of doing the same thing on occasion when he use to meta game the shit out of stuff just to annoy gens character, but geoff is on a whole other level.
MangoMountain
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2044 Posts
January 07 2014 04:17 GMT
#69
Talk it out in private like actual adults, this is really dumb
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 07 2014 04:17 GMT
#70
Kiss, make up, stop being a big jerk and we will all get more RPG action.

Seriously, how does this stuff not happen behind closed doors and in private.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Borsti
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany79 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:23:28
January 07 2014 04:18 GMT
#71
I don't even know what to say right now. I fell in love with this show months ago and I was so excited for it to come back tonight. I stayed up till 3 am only to watch the start, knowing I'd stay up all night to catch everything the promising new episode had to offer.

Now I'm sitting here, the clock hit 5am already and a part of me still hopes this is an incredibly bad joke.

I'm sure this wasn't handled the best way and I hope you guys can sleep a night about it and have a talk tomorrow to clear this situation up. You, JP, Gen, Neal and Ryan have created something from nothing. Something thousands of people don't want to miss anymore. Sure it'd end some day, many people thought the end of Rollplay D&D was the end of it, but that ending at least was an ending worth living through. What happened today is just not worth to be the end of something that amazing.

If it ends up to be the end of the groups D&D journey, then it has to be that way. One can not force people to work // play together. It would just be the saddest ending to this journey one could possibly imagine.

Best regards, Borsti
RayzorFlash
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada253 Posts
January 07 2014 04:18 GMT
#72
On January 07 2014 13:14 iNcontroL wrote:
I acknowledge that I am mean to gen from time to time. I apologized to her as I didn't know it was hurting her feelings. I am not saying this to absolve myself of it but rather to express my sincere apologies for doing that. My point is however I genuinely had no idea it was becoming an actual issue. You can believe that or not. I didn't know. Neither Gen or JP ever said anything about it to me. I pride myself on always striving to improve but I sometimes have no fucking idea that I am doing something wrong.. by going from 0 to boiled over I got blind sided. If you think that is me claiming to be the victim so be it. I am just trying to give perspective.


Gen herself says that she isn't pissed off about it and hopes it would all just work out. It's literally just between JP and you
ROOTCatZ
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Peru1226 Posts
January 07 2014 04:19 GMT
#73
don't be sad Geoff! you're an awesome person, you're clever and funny and a good d00d. Your ego and humor are part of who you are and its not a bad thing at all, ever since bw times we've had a few disputes and disagreements (I've got a stronk ego myself) and at times I thought you were a douchebag, but over time I've come to love your personality and I think your heart is almost always in the right place. Hope you guys will figure this out cause you'd be a big loss to JP's shows and cause well you're friends and losing friends sucks shit, maybe he was having a bad day himself give it a couple of days and sit down and talk. Love you dude! and come over to the house for bbq sometime.
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gyad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States423 Posts
January 07 2014 04:19 GMT
#74
You guys really shouldn't compare Geoff's characters with JP's characters. When JP is a dick, it's really obvious that he's doing it to have fun. ALL of his characters are basically trolls, but the difference is that they're all distinct in many ways. JP's characters are never a dick to any single person. You can't watch JP's characters and think, "wow JP himself must be an asshole".

I'm a fan of Geoff as well and is sad by this, but please don't call JP out on being a hypocrite. He was definitely very impulsive when he cancelled the show, but he did the right thing. He just did it in a REALLY bad way.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
January 07 2014 04:19 GMT
#75
Just take a couple days off and chat after. If you guys are really good friends it'll work itself out.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Dreadwolf
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada220 Posts
January 07 2014 04:19 GMT
#76
Okay, thjs happen when rping, the best of friend end up angry, really angry. You guys can sort it out.

Most people have faults when rping. Some people are to passive, some people take too much time, some people are too focused ton details, some people cant help to metagame all the time. Some people cant abide to be weak, some people cant abide to work with the other character 100%.. rule lawers.. i could go on for a while.

Part of what make a good rping group is accepting other peoples bad habbits and have a good time anyway. You have a good group, HAVE, no HAD. Work it out, i have been playing DnD or VtM and other games.. Every Friday, for the past.. 15 years. it IS worth it to to at least try.
Flexes
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany21 Posts
January 07 2014 04:20 GMT
#77
to be honest i always though you guys were a little rough with gen. but it was not just you to be fair. i heared jp say "shut the fuck up" and stuff to her (out of character) more than once over the course of the campaign. i guess sometimes she really does stupid things ingame and can me mildly annoying sometimes. him telling you to stop it sounds fine, maybe he realized he had treaded her wrong and wanted to change that and just wanted to tell you the same. but the way he went about it is just insane. he could have been like "i think we sometimes are too mean to gen, lets try to be a bit nicer, ok?" but telling you that he would remove you didnt really sounds like a backstep friendship wise and you are also correct in calling him out to be hypocritical about it. i hope you guys can be friends againe, but i would feel betrayed aswell in your position.
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SaWse
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium102 Posts
January 07 2014 04:21 GMT
#78
On January 07 2014 13:09 GKFC wrote:
OK, firstly, Geoff I think you can be a bit of a jerk to Gen. Sometimes valid, other times you just jump down her throat. So I can see where JP is coming from.

However, this was completely the wrong way to handle this. As you said, if JP had a problem he should've come to you and talked it through first.

To just lash out like that, then kick you off / shut down the show comes across as very immature. Certainly not impressed with the way it was handled.

Hopefully calmer heads prevail, but I think this has done a lot of damage to the perception of JP / the show...

Take it easy,

G.

Couldn't have worded it any better myself.
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
January 07 2014 04:21 GMT
#79
...and everyone fucked up! Incontrol, sympathy for JP not giving you any heads-up, but this blog does nothing but harm. Just look at all your e-minions freaking out. You really think cooler heads can prevail after this?
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
ShiniSama
Profile Joined November 2011
United States103 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:25:11
January 07 2014 04:22 GMT
#80
what in the actual fuck? There are a few things that I would like to express in this whole debacle (not that it means anything). There were faults from BOTH sides. I am not on Geoffs side or JP's, i'm on the side of the people because I WANT THIS SHOW TO KEEP GOING.

First off for JP to COMPLETELY 100% remove you from the show is a dumb idea. The show won't be the same if you're not there Geoff and I know for a fact that thousands, literally, will not be watching if you're not part of it. I could understand taking you off it for the time being or canceling the show to work shit out, but completely removing you is downright wrong.

Second, both Geoff and JP are in the wrong in many ways here. First JP should not have said when he ended the stream "I had to kick Geoff the show". He should have ended it saying that there was some technical difficulty or something other then "I had to kick Geoff off the show". Thats just asking for drama.

Geoff, as much as I understand how you think posting this thread is going to help people understand or help you vent your feelings this whole thread is a bad idea. This thread is just inviting people to hate on JP or bitch about something. Its just going to fuel the fire. JP definitely should have brought the whole bullying thing up before just kicking you off. JP should have asked Gen if she felt as if she was being attacked by Geoff and then let Gen and Geoff work it out. If JP felt like he was being attacked HE should have brought it up with Geoff, just like Geoff said in his post. But the bottom line is this post is a very bad idea and is not going to help anything calm down.

This whole thing is incredibly blown out of proportion and I think that both JP and Geoff handled things poorly. There are many more reasons that I have that I could use as support for my argument, but these are the main things that I think are the most important. This show is literally thousands of peoples favorite shows on twitch and if it ends just because of a stupid fight would be very disappointing. What would be even more sad is if a good friendship like Geoffs and JP's, a friendship that brings thousands of people enjoyment and laughter, ended over such a dumb fight.
EZPZ
KingRajesh
Profile Joined July 2010
United States927 Posts
January 07 2014 04:22 GMT
#81
On January 07 2014 13:13 MinzySC2 wrote:
C'mon Geoff, it's pretty obvious that you can't insult pure, innocent, internet attractive womens around the whitest of knights JP "Thirsty as fuck" McDaniels.


REK'D
"Zerg are the absolute worst thing that can happen to your day" - Dustin Browder
ramask2
Profile Joined June 2011
Thailand1024 Posts
January 07 2014 04:23 GMT
#82
Please just try to cool down and try to reason with the team again. Posting chat logs like this is just worsening the situation. I hope you guys can work this out.
Acronysis
Profile Joined November 2011
872 Posts
January 07 2014 04:23 GMT
#83
Sorry to hear this Geoff =/ I think both sides make fair points, but JP kicking you without the chance just doesn't seem like something a friend would do. Keep goin at it. Love your personality and attitude and I look forward to seeing you in whatever you decide to do next.
The multiplying villanies of man do swarm upon him.
[MD]Frostbite
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Canada292 Posts
January 07 2014 04:23 GMT
#84
On January 07 2014 13:03 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
For fuck's sake....first Artosis, now you? Why is everyone having a falling out with JP??


What falling out?
White-Ra, the godfather Protoss
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 07 2014 04:23 GMT
#85
Close the blog, I can hear the pitchforks coming. Remember how SotG died. We can't have it again. No one wants this.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5484 Posts
January 07 2014 04:23 GMT
#86
Well making a blog about it is kinda counter productive
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
ScLight
Profile Joined July 2013
United States26 Posts
January 07 2014 04:24 GMT
#87
To be honest I don't like how JP gets all the subscribers, youtube views and can just kick cast members all the while Neal(DM) puts in all the work and Jeff/Ryan carries the cast. I would much rather have JP replaced rather than any other cast member. Just my opinion.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 07 2014 04:24 GMT
#88
On January 07 2014 13:21 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
...and everyone fucked up! Incontrol, sympathy for JP not giving you any heads-up, but this blog does nothing but harm. Just look at all your e-minions freaking out. You really think cooler heads can prevail after this?

Seems like most people in this thread agree that both sides were in the wrong. No reason to derail it with the "e-minions freaking out" randomness.
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Noogie
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada49 Posts
January 07 2014 04:24 GMT
#89
On January 07 2014 13:21 SaWse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 13:09 GKFC wrote:
OK, firstly, Geoff I think you can be a bit of a jerk to Gen. Sometimes valid, other times you just jump down her throat. So I can see where JP is coming from.

However, this was completely the wrong way to handle this. As you said, if JP had a problem he should've come to you and talked it through first.

To just lash out like that, then kick you off / shut down the show comes across as very immature. Certainly not impressed with the way it was handled.

Hopefully calmer heads prevail, but I think this has done a lot of damage to the perception of JP / the show...

Take it easy,

G.

Couldn't have worded it any better myself.


I'll go with this as well....right now I don't know if I "could" watch.
JazzJackrabbit
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1272 Posts
January 07 2014 04:24 GMT
#90
On January 07 2014 13:23 [MD]Frostbite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 13:03 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
For fuck's sake....first Artosis, now you? Why is everyone having a falling out with JP??


What falling out?

I assume you're asking about Artosis? They had disagreements over SOTG which is why Dan started Meta.
exoduas
Profile Joined August 2012
86 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:24:57
January 07 2014 04:24 GMT
#91
On January 07 2014 13:17 Shadow Sylph wrote:
Regardless of your character being mean or whatever and you wanting to play a meaner character... If your character was really that mean/dismissive you wouldn't be apart of a group. You would never have been allowed to join such an awesome and adventurous group. Either that or you would be outcast because you are unproductive and not a 'team player.' (hence what occurred)

That addressing the roleplay aspect, on the flip side those phrases are really just being dismissive of Gen's point of view and to say that your idea is better. Especially because these happen frequently or almost exclusively with Gen as well, it is as if you're attacking her or (if accepting roleplay) her character. Even if it's not about personal attacks against Gen, personal attacks against her character are not conducive to good roleplay dynamics either. If you are going to roleplay a mean or aggressive character, it still has to function within the group in some way that represent a respect for those that you travel with.

TL;DR; No one wants to travel with a "whiney bitch" (Not as mean as it sounds)


Puke some more sunshine. This is not MLP rollplay. Characters can be mean all they want. Dysfunctional groups are way more fun to roleplay than "awesome and adventurous best friends groups"
MagnuMizer
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Denmark384 Posts
January 07 2014 04:24 GMT
#92
i never liked JP... but this... omfg i'm so mad right now..!!! the show will never be the same without you geoff... fuck... i hope he does some major public apology to get you back.. you don't deserve this.. JP is a dick..
thunder54
Profile Joined March 2011
38 Posts
January 07 2014 04:25 GMT
#93
why does JP have to try to be some big hero if she thinks you are bullying her why doesn't she contact you privately and sort it out. pure high school lvl drama here makes you all look like immature losers.

Also dont sweet it he will be begging you to come back once he realizes your actually the driving force behind these shoes and the most interesting person he has got by farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 07 2014 04:25 GMT
#94
On January 07 2014 13:24 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 13:21 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
...and everyone fucked up! Incontrol, sympathy for JP not giving you any heads-up, but this blog does nothing but harm. Just look at all your e-minions freaking out. You really think cooler heads can prevail after this?

Seems like most people in this thread agree that both sides were in the wrong. No reason to derail it with the "e-minions freaking out" randomness.

He is right though, releasing this to the public was a poor decision. He should have talked with Gen and then JP to deal with it, rather than going public.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Areon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States273 Posts
January 07 2014 04:26 GMT
#95
On January 07 2014 13:21 SaWse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 13:09 GKFC wrote:
OK, firstly, Geoff I think you can be a bit of a jerk to Gen. Sometimes valid, other times you just jump down her throat. So I can see where JP is coming from.

However, this was completely the wrong way to handle this. As you said, if JP had a problem he should've come to you and talked it through first.

To just lash out like that, then kick you off / shut down the show comes across as very immature. Certainly not impressed with the way it was handled.

Hopefully calmer heads prevail, but I think this has done a lot of damage to the perception of JP / the show...

Take it easy,

G.

Couldn't have worded it any better myself.


Yes, this right here. Ho-ly fuck, I still cannot believe shit went down like this, but damn. To sum it up, this dude said it best.
registerjustforthis
Profile Joined January 2014
1 Post
January 07 2014 04:26 GMT
#96
Geoff,
Alright well I am not even sure if you are going to read this and you probably won't, but I have so advice about these types of fights. First I get you are hurt and you have a right to be because you were misunderstood. However, do not say much more while you are hurt it will only make everything worse. Take some time and think then go and talk it out. I would mainly suggest you go and try to make amends because no one wants to lose a friend. JP is only trying to stand up for Gen and you need to explain it was not meant that way, and then prove it. Change Victarian right now to a true Chaotic Good or Neutral Good character. Play him as someone awesome and does Badass shit, but is kind to his friends and does not kill hostages etc. That way you are nice to Gen and everyone else and still the amazing Vincent like character we all know and love.
Best of Luck and I hope you can work this out without losing friends.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
January 07 2014 04:27 GMT
#97
On January 07 2014 13:23 Plansix wrote:
Close the blog, I can hear the pitchforks coming. Remember how SotG died. We can't have it again. No one wants this.


This is absolutely the best idea. I already tweeted at Geoff when he posted the blog that he probably shouldn't. This is only going to make things worse.

Both are to blame, friends shouldn't bring these kind of stuff to the public before talking out first.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
January 07 2014 04:27 GMT
#98
Lol JP, smooth move. As if the community needed more reason to let you slip further into the obscurity that you clearly deserve. I've never quite been able to figure out why it is that some homely schmuck has been able to coast on his "esports" reputation for so long, but part of me is glad that he'd shoot himself in the foot like this. Maybe it's time to get a real job.

Geoff, you're great, don't let this get you down. It's nice to see someone unwilling to play fluffy bunny all day everyday, and I hope you continue to do you.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 07 2014 04:27 GMT
#99
On January 07 2014 13:25 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 13:24 Darkhoarse wrote:
On January 07 2014 13:21 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
...and everyone fucked up! Incontrol, sympathy for JP not giving you any heads-up, but this blog does nothing but harm. Just look at all your e-minions freaking out. You really think cooler heads can prevail after this?

Seems like most people in this thread agree that both sides were in the wrong. No reason to derail it with the "e-minions freaking out" randomness.

He is right though, releasing this to the public was a poor decision. He should have talked with Gen and then JP to deal with it, rather than going public.

I don't agree with this being brought into a public forum. But when someone cuts off communication with you during an argument you always feel that you need to express your frustration somewhere. This I know from experience.

But I agree with you, Geoff should be talking to JP and Gen and shouldn't have posted this blog.
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Fingo
Profile Joined July 2010
34 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:42:39
January 07 2014 04:28 GMT
#100
Obeast96
Profile Joined October 2012
United States106 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:31:04
January 07 2014 04:28 GMT
#101
Dear Geoff,

I've enjoyed everything that you have done since WCG and hope you don't take it personally for too long. I understand that JP was a bit truthful on your comments on other players, but I just thought that JP didn't think it through long enough. Hope you guys take a bit of a time out, make-up, and get back to doing what the rest of us have enjoyed for so long: playing games. Honestly, the last thing I want are two angry men, a long-running show gone, and the internet sad.

Best wishes! -Phil
Jackhammer19
Profile Joined June 2011
United States18 Posts
January 07 2014 04:28 GMT
#102
Hey InControl, sorry for all that has happened, but I do think that both sides are at fault from what I have seen (which is very little, looking forward to getting more information). I think it is important though that both you and JP calm down, look at Ryan and Gen. Although it did not impact them in the same way, I think that it is vital that you guys wait and take a few steps back to cool off, if anything, I feel JP and you can work it out and Rollplay could come out all the stronger. Good luck in all your work!
To fight or not to fight... Why ask such a stupid question!?
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 07 2014 04:29 GMT
#103
On January 07 2014 13:28 Fingo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 13:14 iNcontroL wrote:
I acknowledge that I am mean to gen from time to time. I apologized to her as I didn't know it was hurting her feelings. I am not saying this to absolve myself of it but rather to express my sincere apologies for doing that. My point is however I genuinely had no idea it was becoming an actual issue. You can believe that or not. I didn't know. Neither Gen or JP ever said anything about it to me. I pride myself on always striving to improve but I sometimes have no fucking idea that I am doing something wrong.. by going from 0 to boiled over I got blind sided. If you think that is me claiming to be the victim so be it. I am just trying to give perspective.

A certain amount of edginess makes the show fun for a lot of us. We like to see you be yourselves (or your character) unabashedly. If someone crosses a personal line (Geoff didn't IMO), discuss it like adults. Very disappointed with how this was handled. #teamgeoff

... Breaking this into teams like some juvenile grudge match game of dodgeball is the last thing this situation needs.
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ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
January 07 2014 04:29 GMT
#104
>Rping

>Can only RP sunshine characters

Way to kick off the only entertaining personality on the show, JP.
secret - never again
KingRajesh
Profile Joined July 2010
United States927 Posts
January 07 2014 04:29 GMT
#105
The worst part is that JP just thinks that he can replace the hands-down fan favorite of the show like he's a pawn or a cog in the watch.

JP needs to realize that he's just the facilitator in this, more people watch for Geoff, CatZ, Neal, Ryan, TotalBiscuit, DJWheat, and GM Steve over him.
"Zerg are the absolute worst thing that can happen to your day" - Dustin Browder
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
January 07 2014 04:29 GMT
#106
sometimes men go to great lengths to get laid
why so 진지해?
neurosx
Profile Joined August 2011
Luxembourg1096 Posts
January 07 2014 04:30 GMT
#107
On January 07 2014 13:29 Rekrul wrote:
sometimes men go to great lengths to get laid

You'll wish I'd never stooped to notice you.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:31:27
January 07 2014 04:31 GMT
#108
(only read the OP)

You have a very dominating personality and occasionally it causes you to act like a dick to more submissive types of people.

There have been at least half dozen cases during RP that you've said something outright dick-like to Gen, making both her and some of your viewers noticeably uncomfortable.

You can generally tell when someone feels uncomfortable about the way you've talked to them because they don't laugh and just go silent and pretend to ignore what you said.

There came a point end of last year when JP had a small outburst and told you to shut the fuck up because you kept talking over Gen and talking down to her. I too felt defensive over Gen, because I felt like you were being a dick to her (not in a funny way) and were making her feel like shit, and was glad JP said something to call you out on it.

Gen is very good at shrugging shit off. JP on the other hand, like me, bottles things up and this results in outbursts like this.

JP wants you to realise that your dominating personality causes you to be a dick sometimes, acknowledge this, and apologise to Gen.

Of all things, I am surprised that you didn't notice that sometimes you "go too far" and are just a downright dick by accident. I'm pretty sure I notice you purposefully try to "reel it in" or hold your tongue because you notice that you're going too far with asserting yourself over other people.

I fully expected you to feel that your comment "Nobody likes a whiney bitch." was too much, and that you would tactfully apologise to Gen during (or before) the break in the show.

Regards
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Dismund
Profile Joined May 2010
United States23 Posts
January 07 2014 04:31 GMT
#109
On January 07 2014 13:29 Rekrul wrote:
sometimes men go to great lengths to get laid

makrillR
Profile Joined July 2011
8 Posts
January 07 2014 04:32 GMT
#110
On January 07 2014 13:29 Rekrul wrote:
sometimes men go to great lengths to get laid

HighPassage
Profile Joined June 2012
United States82 Posts
January 07 2014 04:32 GMT
#111
On January 07 2014 13:29 Rekrul wrote:
sometimes men go to great lengths to get laid


quote of the year all years
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Swissie
Profile Joined January 2014
1 Post
January 07 2014 04:33 GMT
#112
Geoff, I'm a fan, but what that one guy said is true - you have been told off before over how you treated Gen. Even when your character was a good guy.

Sarcastic banter that has a bit of an edge can be fun if it's between friends and there's some back and forth, but between you and Gen it's all one-sided and feels much more uncomfortable than fun as a viewer.

Anyways, I hope cooler heads prevail, and you and JP can patch things up, because the rest of the time you guys make for a great show.
Shadow Sylph
Profile Joined December 2010
United States98 Posts
January 07 2014 04:34 GMT
#113
On January 07 2014 13:14 iNcontroL wrote:
I acknowledge that I am mean to gen from time to time. I apologized to her as I didn't know it was hurting her feelings.


Regardless if people's feelings are hurt or not, treating someone that way as if it is okay, is not okay. Especially because as you have already agreed you were targeting Gen specifically. Your character was not in general mean and rude. Again not a good atmosphere for the show and I will admit it bugged me a lot when she would suggest something and you would out of character say something like 'shut the fuck up' and 'listen to me' (if you think it's in character it still really pulls away from the roleplay aspect and bring me the viewer away from the story aspect)

That being said even in your own post you say that you hung up on the call after JP warned you. What you have listed as JP's chat log is him warning you not to do it again or else you get kicked off the show. You became emotionally outraged that your behavior all along has been 'unacceptable' to JP and he is just now mentioning it. So you became defensive and tried to shift blame onto JP. Maybe this caused JP to take further action or what not, I am unsure.
However, I do not see a text message from JP saying 'You're off the show' just his 'tone it down' (paraphrase) At this point though, creating a post on teamliquid and publicizing the behind the scenes aspect in a drama centric way is very very childish.

I would be shocked if he would let you back on the show after making a sensational post in an attempt to draw support before JP even explains the situation to anyone. Grats on rush posting to the forums.
ShiniSama
Profile Joined November 2011
United States103 Posts
January 07 2014 04:34 GMT
#114
On January 07 2014 13:27 farvacola wrote:
Lol JP, smooth move. As if the community needed more reason to let you slip further into the obscurity that you clearly deserve. I've never quite been able to figure out why it is that some homely schmuck has been able to coast on his "esports" reputation for so long, but part of me is glad that he'd shoot himself in the foot like this. Maybe it's time to get a real job.

Geoff, you're great, don't let this get you down. It's nice to see someone unwilling to play fluffy bunny all day everyday, and I hope you continue to do you.


And this is the type of people that this type of thread brings. It doesn't help anything.
EZPZ
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
January 07 2014 04:35 GMT
#115
deleting this was the right choice, even if it came a bit late. GL incontrol. It'll all get worked out eventually
dreaming of a sunny day
Neonarg
Profile Joined December 2010
United States10 Posts
January 07 2014 04:35 GMT
#116
I think erasing the blog was the right choice. Hopefully everything works out.
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
January 07 2014 04:36 GMT
#117
On January 07 2014 13:29 Rekrul wrote:
sometimes men go to great lengths to get laid


But he already got rejected by Gen once before. Hard
secret - never again
kessen
Profile Joined January 2014
Australia1 Post
January 07 2014 04:36 GMT
#118
tbh your the reason i subbed but i dont think u can go back, be to awks
Emokes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States37 Posts
January 07 2014 04:36 GMT
#119
This should of gone down in a different way 2 adult friends should be able to talk without BS attached. If JP would of asked Geoff what was going on with him to see if shit was alright with him. Geoff would of been like ya dude im fine im just rollplaying my character etc etc. instead of all this god damn drama a simple 5 min conversation would of cleared it all up
You will eat your friends face off don't do bath salts.
Rynn
Profile Joined January 2014
Finland1 Post
January 07 2014 04:37 GMT
#120
The worst thing about it all is the public fall out. Poor Gen is caught in the middle of it all. If there was an ongoing issue with you being a dick then JP should have came to you earlier and in private. To have him react like that and see you wounded like this shows how tight you guys were. And how wrong this had been handled on both your parts.

What you're doing now is like the attention seeking Facebook posts when someone writes something like:
"Omg, can't believe what just happened" or "Why always me?"

Sleep on it. Hug your wife, play with your dog, do anything to stop you venting/pouring your heart out when you're not thinking straight.

I hope you guys make up and clear the air in private. You were the main reason I enjoyed the RP shows.

KingRajesh
Profile Joined July 2010
United States927 Posts
January 07 2014 04:39 GMT
#121
On January 07 2014 13:36 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 13:29 Rekrul wrote:
sometimes men go to great lengths to get laid


But he already got rejected by Gen once before. Hard


What? Really?
"Zerg are the absolute worst thing that can happen to your day" - Dustin Browder
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 07 2014 04:39 GMT
#122
Good decision to erase the post. Take some time, then reach out to JP. I think you'll be surprised how much you both regret what went down and will want to set everything straight.
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KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
January 07 2014 04:39 GMT
#123
I am going to lock this thread for now since Incontrol already erased his OP.
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