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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-17 00:58:26
March 17 2014 00:57 GMT
#6401
Nope, no Russian military forces anywhere in Ukraine. No sir. Absolutely no sign of that absolutely everywhere.


Come on. Did you forget? They're "pro-russian defense forces", they assembled themselves and went into an army-shop and bought those uniforms. And weapons. And radios. And gear. All of it. Every single one of them. And they're not talking because, well.. Wait, have to check rt.com why they didn't talk to any medias.

Putin said so, has to be true.
On track to MA1950A.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 17 2014 01:00 GMT
#6402
On March 17 2014 09:07 YasonDinAlt wrote:
Well hello everyone. I am from Russia, a kind, highly developed, mighty ancient civilization, and a country which I am proud of.
And you can believe me or not - Crimea is not the last.

I`d be glad to answer your question, if any. GL HF

next level troll,
Joined TL.net Monday, 17th of March 2014
YasonDinAlt
Profile Joined March 2014
Russian Federation15 Posts
March 17 2014 01:06 GMT
#6403
On March 17 2014 09:39 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 09:22 YasonDinAlt wrote:
On March 17 2014 09:11 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 17 2014 09:07 YasonDinAlt wrote:
Snip very long post

You deny an invasion that has clear proof.
Yes Russia is allowed troops inside Crimea. No those Troops are not allowed to set up roadblocks and blockade Ukraine military installations.
Therefor there is little point arguing with yet another victim of Russian propaganda.


I even don`t see a reason for arguing, because we are both wictims of propaganda, me-of Russian, you-of Ucranian/European. Journalistic objectiveness is a myth. All that concerns to reality - is a media policy.
Be sure I do not neglect the influence of local interpretation.
I just try to show to anyone interested the other point of wiev.

And by the way, those blocks you mentioned - there are no Russian military forces around there. That motion pictures from Ucranian media fill me with healthy laughter. They remind me books of Tom Clancy.


Then everything is slime and there's no point in discussing anything. Enjoy that bleak world.

I prefer to scrutinize sources and to choose which ones are trustworthy, and which are not. Like people from every other country except for Russia, (and Zeo ), I choose independent media in this case. And their reports contradict what you said.

The fact that it's more likely that your perception is warped rather than ours is supported by the UN security council vote. Even China didn't support Russia's position, every other country there voted in favour of the US resolution. This includes such `Western Countries' such as Chad, Argentina, Chile, Nigeria, Jordan and Rwanda. Face it, Russia is the only country that's actively distorting facts (such as claiming that Russian troops are not Russian troops, you can just by howitzers from any local shop....), and all other countries are calling Russia out on its bullshit.


You don`t want to catch the fact that is screaming from the fragment you just qouted - we are wery alike. I also choose media sources carefully. But I repeat, there is no objectiveness in media. There is editorial policy.
It`s the same thing that if you come to you girlfriend and say "My relation to you is objective". Are you a robot? Doubt that. Same with the journalists. Pray you catch an example.
According to that UN security council vote on resolution.... well, I get in my mind a country, who didn`t give a sh.. on that restrictive resolutions and bombed European cities with thiusands victims of civillians three times for the last 10 years.
Russia? Nope. USSR? Mistake again. The country of objective journalists. the country which fight for peace inpiring war crysises - USA!
Applause to the last stronghold of freedom!
USA inspired takeover in Ucraine, not Russia. It`s US who invested 5 billion in Ucranian nationalizm since 1991.
But it is Rissia who will deal with it. Just like with Syria.

What? Your objective media don`t have a string about that? Sorry.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 17 2014 01:09 GMT
#6404
On March 17 2014 10:06 YasonDinAlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 09:39 Ghanburighan wrote:
On March 17 2014 09:22 YasonDinAlt wrote:
On March 17 2014 09:11 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 17 2014 09:07 YasonDinAlt wrote:
Snip very long post

You deny an invasion that has clear proof.
Yes Russia is allowed troops inside Crimea. No those Troops are not allowed to set up roadblocks and blockade Ukraine military installations.
Therefor there is little point arguing with yet another victim of Russian propaganda.


I even don`t see a reason for arguing, because we are both wictims of propaganda, me-of Russian, you-of Ucranian/European. Journalistic objectiveness is a myth. All that concerns to reality - is a media policy.
Be sure I do not neglect the influence of local interpretation.
I just try to show to anyone interested the other point of wiev.

And by the way, those blocks you mentioned - there are no Russian military forces around there. That motion pictures from Ucranian media fill me with healthy laughter. They remind me books of Tom Clancy.


Then everything is slime and there's no point in discussing anything. Enjoy that bleak world.

I prefer to scrutinize sources and to choose which ones are trustworthy, and which are not. Like people from every other country except for Russia, (and Zeo ), I choose independent media in this case. And their reports contradict what you said.

The fact that it's more likely that your perception is warped rather than ours is supported by the UN security council vote. Even China didn't support Russia's position, every other country there voted in favour of the US resolution. This includes such `Western Countries' such as Chad, Argentina, Chile, Nigeria, Jordan and Rwanda. Face it, Russia is the only country that's actively distorting facts (such as claiming that Russian troops are not Russian troops, you can just by howitzers from any local shop....), and all other countries are calling Russia out on its bullshit.


You don`t want to catch the fact that is screaming from the fragment you just qouted - we are wery alike. I also choose media sources carefully. But I repeat, there is no objectiveness in media. There is editorial policy.
It`s the same thing that if you come to you girlfriend and say "My relation to you is objective". Are you a robot? Doubt that. Same with the journalists. Pray you catch an example.
According to that UN security council vote on resolution.... well, I get in my mind a country, who didn`t give a sh.. on that restrictive resolutions and bombed European cities with thiusands victims of civillians three times for the last 10 years.
Russia? Nope. USSR? Mistake again. The country of objective journalists. the country which fight for peace inpiring war crysises - USA!
Applause to the last stronghold of freedom!
USA inspired takeover in Ucraine, not Russia. It`s US who invested 5 billion in Ucranian nationalizm since 1991.
But it is Rissia who will deal with it. Just like with Syria.

What? Your objective media don`t have a string about that? Sorry.


There's more media than just american. Some are even independant, who would've thought.

What's your opinion on the videos showing totally not russian soldiers?
On track to MA1950A.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-17 01:17:52
March 17 2014 01:16 GMT
#6405
The best media is to find someone who just doesn't care about the issue because its' irrelevant to their geopolitical interests.

This new guy reads like a government shill to me; not just a crazy and opinionated actual person, but someone who truly is on a payroll to spread propaganda; are other people getting that vibe to?

Hmm, there might be a good seed for a mafia game in this stuff.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 17 2014 01:17 GMT
#6406
On March 17 2014 10:16 zlefin wrote:
The best media is to find someone who just doesn't care about the issue because its' irrelevant to their geopolitical interests.

This new guy reads like a government shill to me; not just a crazy and opinionated actual person, but someone who truly is on a payroll to spread propaganda; are other people getting that vibe to?

I dont know, I feel like the Russian government could afford better than this. I actually think its a troll who is trolling the Russian posters on here. A meta troll if you will.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-17 01:21:41
March 17 2014 01:19 GMT
#6407
On March 17 2014 10:17 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 10:16 zlefin wrote:
The best media is to find someone who just doesn't care about the issue because its' irrelevant to their geopolitical interests.

This new guy reads like a government shill to me; not just a crazy and opinionated actual person, but someone who truly is on a payroll to spread propaganda; are other people getting that vibe to?

I dont know, I feel like the Russian government could afford better than this. I actually think its a troll who is trolling the Russian posters on here. A meta troll if you will.


Agree, at least zeo-caliber should be in the budget. If you wanna try to spread propaganda, you plant a seed, subtle.

He reminds me of a worse grammar zeo, so yes he really does feel like someone who's actually being paid by the government, or like paleman making a new account and trying to sound like a different person.


Come on. Government paid contractors would actually be able to speak proper english. See the english articles on rt.com (as much bs as the russian articles, but clean english).
On track to MA1950A.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
March 17 2014 01:20 GMT
#6408
On March 17 2014 10:16 zlefin wrote:
The best media is to find someone who just doesn't care about the issue because its' irrelevant to their geopolitical interests.

This new guy reads like a government shill to me; not just a crazy and opinionated actual person, but someone who truly is on a payroll to spread propaganda; are other people getting that vibe to?

Hmm, there might be a good seed for a mafia game in this stuff.


He reminds me of a worse grammar zeo, so yes he really does feel like someone who's actually being paid by the government, or like paleman making a new account and trying to sound like a different person.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
YasonDinAlt
Profile Joined March 2014
Russian Federation15 Posts
March 17 2014 01:28 GMT
#6409
On March 17 2014 10:09 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 10:06 YasonDinAlt wrote:
On March 17 2014 09:39 Ghanburighan wrote:
On March 17 2014 09:22 YasonDinAlt wrote:
On March 17 2014 09:11 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 17 2014 09:07 YasonDinAlt wrote:
Snip very long post

You deny an invasion that has clear proof.
Yes Russia is allowed troops inside Crimea. No those Troops are not allowed to set up roadblocks and blockade Ukraine military installations.
Therefor there is little point arguing with yet another victim of Russian propaganda.


I even don`t see a reason for arguing, because we are both wictims of propaganda, me-of Russian, you-of Ucranian/European. Journalistic objectiveness is a myth. All that concerns to reality - is a media policy.
Be sure I do not neglect the influence of local interpretation.
I just try to show to anyone interested the other point of wiev.

And by the way, those blocks you mentioned - there are no Russian military forces around there. That motion pictures from Ucranian media fill me with healthy laughter. They remind me books of Tom Clancy.


Then everything is slime and there's no point in discussing anything. Enjoy that bleak world.

I prefer to scrutinize sources and to choose which ones are trustworthy, and which are not. Like people from every other country except for Russia, (and Zeo ), I choose independent media in this case. And their reports contradict what you said.

The fact that it's more likely that your perception is warped rather than ours is supported by the UN security council vote. Even China didn't support Russia's position, every other country there voted in favour of the US resolution. This includes such `Western Countries' such as Chad, Argentina, Chile, Nigeria, Jordan and Rwanda. Face it, Russia is the only country that's actively distorting facts (such as claiming that Russian troops are not Russian troops, you can just by howitzers from any local shop....), and all other countries are calling Russia out on its bullshit.


You don`t want to catch the fact that is screaming from the fragment you just qouted - we are wery alike. I also choose media sources carefully. But I repeat, there is no objectiveness in media. There is editorial policy.
It`s the same thing that if you come to you girlfriend and say "My relation to you is objective". Are you a robot? Doubt that. Same with the journalists. Pray you catch an example.
According to that UN security council vote on resolution.... well, I get in my mind a country, who didn`t give a sh.. on that restrictive resolutions and bombed European cities with thiusands victims of civillians three times for the last 10 years.
Russia? Nope. USSR? Mistake again. The country of objective journalists. the country which fight for peace inpiring war crysises - USA!
Applause to the last stronghold of freedom!
USA inspired takeover in Ucraine, not Russia. It`s US who invested 5 billion in Ucranian nationalizm since 1991.
But it is Rissia who will deal with it. Just like with Syria.

What? Your objective media don`t have a string about that? Sorry.


There's more media than just american. Some are even independant, who would've thought.

What's your opinion on the videos showing totally not russian soldiers?


Indeed they are. And I saw that video a week ago, and a dosen of other videos, very alike. I allready told that I can use YouTube. But again: what is your opinion on Crimea`s newly elected government request to Russian government to provide security diring the preparations to referendum?
Why do you neglect that the right of Crimea people to be independent from Kiev could be guarded by Russia?

And towards all that hater with thei sarcastic murmuring "Putin sad that`s true so thats true... next lvl troll" - when speaking about the invasion I mean the invasion into continental part of Ucraine, with which Ucranian media and government frightens sitizens of the South-East of the country. By the way, those sitizens are avaiting the invasion thmselves, for they are 70% Russian and are fed up woth that mess in Kiev.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
March 17 2014 01:29 GMT
#6410
Keep in mind this is just tl.net; they wouldn't send their good people here, there are more important uses for them. The people actually assigned to a place like this would be more like temps.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-17 01:34:41
March 17 2014 01:32 GMT
#6411
On March 17 2014 10:28 YasonDinAlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 10:09 m4ini wrote:
On March 17 2014 10:06 YasonDinAlt wrote:
On March 17 2014 09:39 Ghanburighan wrote:
On March 17 2014 09:22 YasonDinAlt wrote:
On March 17 2014 09:11 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 17 2014 09:07 YasonDinAlt wrote:
Snip very long post

You deny an invasion that has clear proof.
Yes Russia is allowed troops inside Crimea. No those Troops are not allowed to set up roadblocks and blockade Ukraine military installations.
Therefor there is little point arguing with yet another victim of Russian propaganda.


I even don`t see a reason for arguing, because we are both wictims of propaganda, me-of Russian, you-of Ucranian/European. Journalistic objectiveness is a myth. All that concerns to reality - is a media policy.
Be sure I do not neglect the influence of local interpretation.
I just try to show to anyone interested the other point of wiev.

And by the way, those blocks you mentioned - there are no Russian military forces around there. That motion pictures from Ucranian media fill me with healthy laughter. They remind me books of Tom Clancy.


Then everything is slime and there's no point in discussing anything. Enjoy that bleak world.

I prefer to scrutinize sources and to choose which ones are trustworthy, and which are not. Like people from every other country except for Russia, (and Zeo ), I choose independent media in this case. And their reports contradict what you said.

The fact that it's more likely that your perception is warped rather than ours is supported by the UN security council vote. Even China didn't support Russia's position, every other country there voted in favour of the US resolution. This includes such `Western Countries' such as Chad, Argentina, Chile, Nigeria, Jordan and Rwanda. Face it, Russia is the only country that's actively distorting facts (such as claiming that Russian troops are not Russian troops, you can just by howitzers from any local shop....), and all other countries are calling Russia out on its bullshit.


You don`t want to catch the fact that is screaming from the fragment you just qouted - we are wery alike. I also choose media sources carefully. But I repeat, there is no objectiveness in media. There is editorial policy.
It`s the same thing that if you come to you girlfriend and say "My relation to you is objective". Are you a robot? Doubt that. Same with the journalists. Pray you catch an example.
According to that UN security council vote on resolution.... well, I get in my mind a country, who didn`t give a sh.. on that restrictive resolutions and bombed European cities with thiusands victims of civillians three times for the last 10 years.
Russia? Nope. USSR? Mistake again. The country of objective journalists. the country which fight for peace inpiring war crysises - USA!
Applause to the last stronghold of freedom!
USA inspired takeover in Ucraine, not Russia. It`s US who invested 5 billion in Ucranian nationalizm since 1991.
But it is Rissia who will deal with it. Just like with Syria.

What? Your objective media don`t have a string about that? Sorry.


There's more media than just american. Some are even independant, who would've thought.

What's your opinion on the videos showing totally not russian soldiers?


Indeed they are. And I saw that video a week ago, and a dosen of other videos, very alike. I allready told that I can use YouTube. But again: what is your opinion on Crimea`s newly elected government request to Russian government to provide security diring the preparations to referendum?
Why do you neglect that the right of Crimea people to be independent from Kiev could be guarded by Russia?

And towards all that hater with thei sarcastic murmuring "Putin sad that`s true so thats true... next lvl troll" - when speaking about the invasion I mean the invasion into continental part of Ucraine, with which Ucranian media and government frightens sitizens of the South-East of the country. By the way, those sitizens are avaiting the invasion thmselves, for they are 70% Russian and are fed up woth that mess in Kiev.


So how do you sell it as "fact" that there's no russian soldiers in crimea? The russians are allowed 26k soldiers in their bases, true - but i bet they're not allowed to block military installations. That, my friend, is an act of aggression. And that started long before there was a referendum.

And no, it's not russias right to invade (yes, blocking military installations, laying minefields, shipping howitzers which are an offensive part of the military is an invasion).

PS: it's 58% russians, not 70. But since 100 is close enough to 50, i suppose it's fair enough.

But since you're so in favor of legitimations etc, we had that just a couple of pages ago: what do you think about the fact that this referendum is illegal based on the constitution? Wait, don't answer, i pretty much know where this is going.
On track to MA1950A.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-17 01:54:02
March 17 2014 01:33 GMT
#6412
On March 17 2014 10:29 zlefin wrote:
Keep in mind this is just tl.net; they wouldn't send their good people here, there are more important uses for them. The people actually assigned to a place like this would be more like temps.
Maybe, but his tactical misspelling while maintaining proper grammer, purposely misspelling Ukraine with a 'c' ? Using 'haters' properly? a random missing letter like he is in a rush? A pretty long, perfectly spelled and coherent sentence towards the end of which he realizes he is speaking too well and drops a random miss spelling? He knows how to spell synthesize but not awkward and inserts an alien q where the much more natural to a Russian K would fit in perfectly? My money is still on a meta troll.
YasonDinAlt
Profile Joined March 2014
Russian Federation15 Posts
March 17 2014 01:51 GMT
#6413
On March 17 2014 10:20 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 10:16 zlefin wrote:
The best media is to find someone who just doesn't care about the issue because its' irrelevant to their geopolitical interests.

This new guy reads like a government shill to me; not just a crazy and opinionated actual person, but someone who truly is on a payroll to spread propaganda; are other people getting that vibe to?

Hmm, there might be a good seed for a mafia game in this stuff.


He reminds me of a worse grammar zeo, so yes he really does feel like someone who's actually being paid by the government, or like paleman making a new account and trying to sound like a different person.


Feel free to call me anything you want.

People of critical thinking, who are being able to synthesize their own piont of view could have found a seed of truth in my texts of awqward English) Alas!

You know guys, you`re being even more concervative than we on Russian forums. It is often happens there, that someone will come and say "you all are slaves, you are zombies of Russian propaganda". It is rude, you know. But we calmly listen to what he says and only when start persuade him.
And you even do not want to read the text, you catch somthing that you can easily disprove, and what else! It`s all over with him - troll, burn.
You`re stuck in your opinion and even can not afford a try to think the other way. We are told about Western people, who are free from stereotypes, are well educated professionals that deserve to be an example for us.
But I see, that you are the same, with that difference, that I can stand on your side and respect your opinion - cause I assume that there is no "good" way of solving Ucranian crysis, and that military force - is a last means possible to list.

But what you say about referendum in Crimea, that it was carried on Russian guns - it`s a bullshit. You can find on youtube alot of video about it.
Same with underestimating the power of nazi in Kiev. Europe allready learnaed, what is it, 70 years ago. Seems they firgot about it. We didn`t.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 17 2014 01:54 GMT
#6414
But what you say about referendum in Crimea, that it was carried on Russian guns - it`s a bullshit. You can find on youtube alot of video about it.
Same with underestimating the power of nazi in Kiev. Europe allready learnaed, what is it, 70 years ago. Seems they firgot about it. We didn`t.


You didn't forget, hm? What part? The part where germany did exactly what russia is doing now, which led to war? You mean that part?

On track to MA1950A.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
March 17 2014 02:00 GMT
#6415
On March 17 2014 10:51 YasonDinAlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 10:20 hunts wrote:
On March 17 2014 10:16 zlefin wrote:
The best media is to find someone who just doesn't care about the issue because its' irrelevant to their geopolitical interests.

This new guy reads like a government shill to me; not just a crazy and opinionated actual person, but someone who truly is on a payroll to spread propaganda; are other people getting that vibe to?

Hmm, there might be a good seed for a mafia game in this stuff.


He reminds me of a worse grammar zeo, so yes he really does feel like someone who's actually being paid by the government, or like paleman making a new account and trying to sound like a different person.


Feel free to call me anything you want.

People of critical thinking, who are being able to synthesize their own piont of view could have found a seed of truth in my texts of awqward English) Alas!

You know guys, you`re being even more concervative than we on Russian forums. It is often happens there, that someone will come and say "you all are slaves, you are zombies of Russian propaganda". It is rude, you know. But we calmly listen to what he says and only when start persuade him.
And you even do not want to read the text, you catch somthing that you can easily disprove, and what else! It`s all over with him - troll, burn.
You`re stuck in your opinion and even can not afford a try to think the other way. We are told about Western people, who are free from stereotypes, are well educated professionals that deserve to be an example for us.
But I see, that you are the same, with that difference, that I can stand on your side and respect your opinion - cause I assume that there is no "good" way of solving Ucranian crysis, and that military force - is a last means possible to list.

But what you say about referendum in Crimea, that it was carried on Russian guns - it`s a bullshit. You can find on youtube alot of video about it.
Same with underestimating the power of nazi in Kiev. Europe allready learnaed, what is it, 70 years ago. Seems they firgot about it. We didn`t.


I'll be honest man. I was born in dnepropitrovsk ukraine, i lived there until I was 7 years old. I'm pretty sure that region is one of the russian supporting ones. I can speak russian mostly fluently, but I can't read/write it. I can't speak a word of ukranian. I find everything russia is doing to be complete bullshit. I've almost always referred to myself as russian rather than ukranian, because I can speak russian and not ukranian, and because until now many people have never even heard of ukraine. I've never been more ashamed in my life to be born where I was. I feel very sorry for everyone living in ukraine, I feel very sorry for anyone living in russia. I feel very sorry for anyone who is brainwashed enough to be proud to call themselves russian.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
YasonDinAlt
Profile Joined March 2014
Russian Federation15 Posts
March 17 2014 02:11 GMT
#6416
On March 17 2014 10:32 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 10:28 YasonDinAlt wrote:
On March 17 2014 10:09 m4ini wrote:
On March 17 2014 10:06 YasonDinAlt wrote:
On March 17 2014 09:39 Ghanburighan wrote:
On March 17 2014 09:22 YasonDinAlt wrote:
On March 17 2014 09:11 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 17 2014 09:07 YasonDinAlt wrote:
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You deny an invasion that has clear proof.
Yes Russia is allowed troops inside Crimea. No those Troops are not allowed to set up roadblocks and blockade Ukraine military installations.
Therefor there is little point arguing with yet another victim of Russian propaganda.


I even don`t see a reason for arguing, because we are both wictims of propaganda, me-of Russian, you-of Ucranian/European. Journalistic objectiveness is a myth. All that concerns to reality - is a media policy.
Be sure I do not neglect the influence of local interpretation.
I just try to show to anyone interested the other point of wiev.

And by the way, those blocks you mentioned - there are no Russian military forces around there. That motion pictures from Ucranian media fill me with healthy laughter. They remind me books of Tom Clancy.


Then everything is slime and there's no point in discussing anything. Enjoy that bleak world.

I prefer to scrutinize sources and to choose which ones are trustworthy, and which are not. Like people from every other country except for Russia, (and Zeo ), I choose independent media in this case. And their reports contradict what you said.

The fact that it's more likely that your perception is warped rather than ours is supported by the UN security council vote. Even China didn't support Russia's position, every other country there voted in favour of the US resolution. This includes such `Western Countries' such as Chad, Argentina, Chile, Nigeria, Jordan and Rwanda. Face it, Russia is the only country that's actively distorting facts (such as claiming that Russian troops are not Russian troops, you can just by howitzers from any local shop....), and all other countries are calling Russia out on its bullshit.


You don`t want to catch the fact that is screaming from the fragment you just qouted - we are wery alike. I also choose media sources carefully. But I repeat, there is no objectiveness in media. There is editorial policy.
It`s the same thing that if you come to you girlfriend and say "My relation to you is objective". Are you a robot? Doubt that. Same with the journalists. Pray you catch an example.
According to that UN security council vote on resolution.... well, I get in my mind a country, who didn`t give a sh.. on that restrictive resolutions and bombed European cities with thiusands victims of civillians three times for the last 10 years.
Russia? Nope. USSR? Mistake again. The country of objective journalists. the country which fight for peace inpiring war crysises - USA!
Applause to the last stronghold of freedom!
USA inspired takeover in Ucraine, not Russia. It`s US who invested 5 billion in Ucranian nationalizm since 1991.
But it is Rissia who will deal with it. Just like with Syria.

What? Your objective media don`t have a string about that? Sorry.


There's more media than just american. Some are even independant, who would've thought.

What's your opinion on the videos showing totally not russian soldiers?


Indeed they are. And I saw that video a week ago, and a dosen of other videos, very alike. I allready told that I can use YouTube. But again: what is your opinion on Crimea`s newly elected government request to Russian government to provide security diring the preparations to referendum?
Why do you neglect that the right of Crimea people to be independent from Kiev could be guarded by Russia?

And towards all that hater with thei sarcastic murmuring "Putin sad that`s true so thats true... next lvl troll" - when speaking about the invasion I mean the invasion into continental part of Ucraine, with which Ucranian media and government frightens sitizens of the South-East of the country. By the way, those sitizens are avaiting the invasion thmselves, for they are 70% Russian and are fed up woth that mess in Kiev.


So how do you sell it as "fact" that there's no russian soldiers in crimea? The russians are allowed 26k soldiers in their bases, true - but i bet they're not allowed to block military installations. That, my friend, is an act of aggression. And that started long before there was a referendum.

And no, it's not russias right to invade (yes, blocking military installations, laying minefields, shipping howitzers which are an offensive part of the military is an invasion).

PS: it's 58% russians, not 70. But since 100 is close enough to 50, i suppose it's fair enough.

But since you're so in favor of legitimations etc, we had that just a couple of pages ago: what do you think about the fact that this referendum is illegal based on the constitution? Wait, don't answer, i pretty much know where this is going.


What I sold as a fact was just the statement that there is no Russian troops in Ucraine. For me, being Russian, Ucraine consists of 26 continental regions of Ucraine itself AND an autonomous republic of Crimea. See the difference?

According to legitimation - I wouldn`t give a penny for anything legit in Ucraine now, whether it is a central or local government. That is the largest problem there now. And I myself have compassion and repect to the people of Ucraine, for we are the parted people, parted after the collapse of the USSR.
But I personally know the newly elected major of Sevastopol - he is a noble man, a son of a scientist, a grandson to an admiral. Raised a group of high technical industry in Sevastopol, from the fermer Soviet research institute.
He can`t deal with anything that could harm the people. And he knows Russians wouldn`t.
Besides, I was in Crimea numerous times for the cass of job and as a resort - and I know their attitude to Russian. They know nothing about an agression and invasion you`re shouting about in here.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
March 17 2014 02:20 GMT
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This propaganda, if true, is really unsportsmanlike.

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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 17 2014 02:22 GMT
#6418
On March 17 2014 11:20 darkness wrote:
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This propaganda, if true, is really unsportsmanlike.

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what do you mean if true? That style of image has been reported by most of Western press in a variety of different locations...
YasonDinAlt
Profile Joined March 2014
Russian Federation15 Posts
March 17 2014 02:22 GMT
#6419
On March 17 2014 10:54 m4ini wrote:
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But what you say about referendum in Crimea, that it was carried on Russian guns - it`s a bullshit. You can find on youtube alot of video about it.
Same with underestimating the power of nazi in Kiev. Europe allready learnaed, what is it, 70 years ago. Seems they firgot about it. We didn`t.


You didn't forget, hm? What part? The part where germany did exactly what russia is doing now, which led to war? You mean that part?



The US is doing the same shit every couple of years. WHERE is your condemnation?

Try to compare Germany in 1933-1945 with that country who deserves that. It is not Russia, who escalated the crysis. It is Eu and US selebrities and officials who went to Kiev dozens of times to support Maidan - an event that is strictly prohibited in EU and US. It was US officials who carried enormous packs on money to Maidan leaders.
So you dare blame Russia?

That is the price of your objectiveness. It wirths nothing. Duude.

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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
March 17 2014 02:25 GMT
#6420
On March 17 2014 11:22 Sub40APM wrote:
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On March 17 2014 11:20 darkness wrote:
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This propaganda, if true, is really unsportsmanlike.

Translation (even though it may be obvious):
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We choose on 16 March
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what do you mean if true? That style of image has been reported by most of Western press in a variety of different locations...


Just because it's reported by "most of Western press" doesn't make it any more correct. I mean the photo can be absolutely legitimate, I just take propaganda photos with a grain of salt, especially when it's West vs East because both sides have a reason to mislead people.
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